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Post by Artemis on Mar 15, 2010 0:39:54 GMT -8
Many topics currently deal with how to manage your forum, from the type of themes to use, board organization, affiliations and advertising. However, a very important part of any forum is how the community itself is moderated. Almost every forum has a distinct set of rules, and a staff team to enforce them with varying degrees of strictness.
Here are some questions to consider on the subject.
-Are you generally strict or lenient? -Do you take into account the length of a person's membership when dealing with troublesome members or drama? -Do you believe consistency is good or bad? -If you have a warning system, how does it work? -What did you think is the best way to manage a forum? (For example, have you found certain methods of interacting with members or giving warnings/bans that seems to work more than others?)
Those are just some things to think about. To start, I'll explain what has worked for me. To make it simple, I'll simply answer each question to the point, though that isn't required; it's just meant to give you ideas.
-Are you generally strict or lenient? I am generally rather lenient, though it depends on my community. If they're normally pretty responsible and mature, I'll be more willing to let a few things slide, or send a PM rather than boost a warning percentage.
-Do you take into account the length of a person's membership when dealing with troublesome members or drama? To some degree I do. If a member has been on my forum longer, it means they have more experience and more familiarity, but it also means they should know better about what the rules are, so older members may have more severe consequences for breaking rules.
-Do you believe consistency is good or bad? I think consistency is very important. It shows everyone that you are fair and unbiased, and that you can handle every situation properly no matter who the member is or what happened.
-If you have a warning system, how does it work? My warning system is rarely used, but to put it simply, it works very much like here at Support. A certain 'level' is given depending on the infraction, and the members work it off by being helpful and mature.
-What did you think is the best way to manage a forum? I have found that being more open and friendly is a good thing to do. Being overly professional or cold and distant could create a gap between normal members and staff, which might cause some irritation. However, simply acting like another normal member and being polite about things (in essence, discussing instead of giving orders) generally leads to more positive results.
Discuss.
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Post by Lugubrious on Mar 15, 2010 14:25:08 GMT -8
Mostly, I'm friendly. We use the ban system as a joke, I recall for a while I had a 100% warning for "Running with Scissors".
I have several reasons for actually carrying out a punishment, most without variance on time being a member: -Advertising in my cbox... It pisses me off a lot ^.^ (guests get 0 chances, members get 2 or 3) -Stealing art. It gets me in trouble and is against rules. I sort of take it as my personal responsibility to educate people that stealing art is just as bad as stealing money in the eyes of the government. -Disrespect. I get it if we are having a bad day, but repeatedly ignoring me/causing fights will eventually lead to problems.
For guests, I'm usually really strict. I can't stand people who think they can go on other forums and cause problems as they please. Often they are banned forever.
For members, especially ones I've become attatched to, it is harder to become banned. Usually it takes repeated or really flagrant attempts to get banned. I'm usually pretty loyal to my members. My biggest problem is when dealing with immature members. As hard as I try, I rarely keep them aboard long. Noobs, tweens, whatever category they fall into. They don't last long usually, though I have watched quite a few of my members grow up and they're some of my most special friends.
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Post by Gia_Sesshoumaru on Mar 15, 2010 20:59:58 GMT -8
-Are you generally strict or lenient? I am generally pretty strict, but not unreasonably so. Most of my rules are simply common sense, and people who are polite, don't talk back to the staff, and behave do very well. People who insist on talking back to us everytime we make a decision tend to get us very annoyed. We know what we're doing, and our methods have worked for us. We don't mind opinions by any means, but we don't like people who want to come in and tell us how to run our site, and believe, it's happened more than once. There are some things we do not tolerate (undermining the staff, arguing OOC with fellow members (discussions are fine, arguing is not), spamming) and others that we might overlook a couple of times (posts that are too short).
-Do you take into account the length of a person's membership when dealing with troublesome members or drama? Yes, to some degree. I'm not favoritist, or anything, but like you said, Artemis, a long member should know better. If they break an infraction, we're going to think less of them than some noob who just joined. We don't give them a harsher punishment, but we are usually harsher in our tone.
-Do you believe consistency is good or bad? Yes, consistency is important. Every member should be treated the same, regardless of rank, privledge, or length of time on the site. It's not good to be "elitist", though I've been accused of being like that before, though it's not true.
-If you have a warning system, how does it work? We have a set warning level based on the number of warnings. Usually, we give a couple - depending on the rule broken - of warnings before raising it, and then there's two raises before a week supsension, two more before a month, and then two more before a final ban. Members can ask for their warning level lowered after 30 days of good behavior, though we do take into consideration past infractions when raising it again, should the act up.
-What did you think is the best way to manage a forum? I have found that making sure that the rules are spelt out with no room for "well, it's not said in the rules" things to occur. That's the main reason why my rules seem so strict - I've had that happen too many times. Especially since I run roleplay forums, I have to make sure that it's clearly stated what is and is not allowed. Most of the time, everyone's fine, but then there's a couple people who seem to have not read anything. However, when dealing, it's best to try and be polite. I do tend to come off as cold/sarcastic at times, though it's never intentional.
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Post by amaranthine on Mar 16, 2010 12:04:42 GMT -8
-Are you generally strict or lenient? I'm fairly lenient. I don't like getting people in trouble, though I do if it's against the rules. -Do you take into account the length of a person's membership when dealing with troublesome members or drama? No. If they are being troublesome, they are troublesome whether they are veterans or not. Being there longer means I just might be a little harsher with punishment, too. -Do you believe consistency is good or bad? Consistancy is good. You don't warn member a and not member b for doing the exact same thing, it shows that you prefer member b maybe. -If you have a warning system, how does it work?
Copy && pasted right from the site. Basically, the first warning is just that "hey you broke the rules please don't do it again". After that we watch you a bit, and from there on each warning is an increasing ban starting at a day. If you're good for a certain period of time (a month), we'll lower your warning count. Little thinks can be dismissed (mishaps in grammar, ect.) completely, and usually are, but bigger things are always counted for. If you do something really good that I think should lower your warning count, that works too. -What did you think is the best way to manage a forum? (For example, have you found certain methods of interacting with members or giving warnings/bans that seems to work more than others?) Be open and friendly and willing to listen to the members. Talk to them, join the discussion and act like your just another member sometimes.
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Post by ~Sarzah~ on Mar 28, 2010 3:39:48 GMT -8
Are you generally strict or lenient? Very lenient, on my own site. I have certain rules in place which are just common sense, and those I'll get very annoyed at having broken, but certain rules deal with creative situations (such as I won't allow new characters to be made under the age of thirteen) and occasionally a member will break that rule. As long as they're using common sense, I won't bother with punishing them. Of course, if I'm just a moderator on the site and see such a situation, I'll generally take it higher up.
Do you take into account the length of a person's membership when dealing with troublesome members or drama? To a minor degree. A handful of sites I'm on deal with a lot of first-time roleplayers. Some don't last long, but I believe with a bit of a helping hand, in the form of forgiveness and guidance when they step out of line, they'll learn fairly quickly. Do you believe consistency is good or bad? I believe it to be highly important.. As has already been mentioned several times, it is important to appear as unbiased. If you have a warning system, how does it work? So far, there has not been a need for a warning system - the members are fairly good at regulating themselves. I don't like to ban, and have only done so once in my time as staff on any board, but the occasion warning (usually around ten percent) helps to keep the troublemakers in line. What did you think is the best way to manage a forum? (For example, have you found certain methods of interacting with members or giving warnings/bans that seems to work more than others?) I think that all we really need to do is to interact in a friendly way and encourage members not to form cliques, but rather to think of every member as a part of one big group of friends. Also, this includes members that may occasionally break rules, whether intentionally or not.
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Post by Frogs. on Mar 28, 2010 15:11:38 GMT -8
-Are you generally strict or lenient? I'm usually on the lenient side. There's a point where you've just gone to far and I don't want to come even near there. That's just rude in my opinion unless it is a major rule break or something very bad, then I can be very strict. Usually, I'll just give the member a friendly reminder and ask them to maybe look over the rules again. I try to treat members how I'd want to be treated. -Do you take into account the length of a person's membership when dealing with troublesome members or drama? I usually am rather equal based on how long you've been on the site, though if it is a repeated offense by an older member that knows better then I can be a little bit harsher and not so friendly. -Do you believe consistency is good or bad? Consistency is overall good. If you deduct points(on RPG's) or raise the warning bar for one person you should be expected to do the same for another no matter how good of friends you are. -If you have a warning system, how does it work? I try and not use warnings, but if I do pull out the warning bar I make sure it's fair and not a seventy-five percent warnign just for double-posting twice. -What did you think is the best way to manage a forum? You have to interact with the members and be friends with them. Not make it seem like staff are the elite and it's shunned to be a normal member.
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Post by Sàm on Mar 29, 2010 14:57:14 GMT -8
Are you generally strict or lenient? Generally, I consider myself lenient. I mean, if someone starts dropping the f-bomb every two seconds and starts harassing someone, then I'll probably get a little more serious ... but that never happens with me, so I'm not worried about it. Of course, if someone's a repeat offender, it's only logical to be stricter about it -- and I have ended up banning people before.
Do you take into account the length of a person's membership when dealing with troublesome members or drama? Usually not. The thing is, I try to make it quite clear that the rules are there for a reason, so if someone neglects to read them, I shouldn't be responsible for that. Therefore, I might simply warn someone who just joined or someone who's been a member for a year -- and work my way up from there. I typically only run RP sites, and people who tend to join my RP sites are people who have RPed before; my rules are pretty straight-forward and common sense, for the most part, so there's no sense in someone breaking them no matter how long they've been a part of the site.
Do you believe consistency is good or bad? As others have said, consistency is vital. Being biased is a terrible, terrible thing, and you should be beaten down with a ruler if you're biased toward someone who clearly deserves punishment -- and that doesn't simply mean going easy on your friends. You shouldn't treat someone else more poorly simply because you two aren't good friends. If two people break the same rule in the same way, both should be punished equally.
If you have a warning system, how does it work? This is where the leniency comes in. I don't really have a problem with people, and as such, I've never actually used the warning bar. I try to stay as fair as possible; when that doesn't work, I get stricter and more serious about it, which would eventually lead to me banning said person. I don't really have a "warning" system as far as the warning bar goes, but I do give plenty of chances for redemption.
What did you think is the best way to manage a forum? (For example, have you found certain methods of interacting with members or giving warnings/bans that seems to work more than others?) Well, as "interacting with members" was mentioned, I'll use that for an example. If the administrators (or any staff members) are not friendly with the site's members, the members will probably not feel welcome and, as such, leave. Common sense, right? It's also vital for each staff members to be active. Yes, not everyone can be on 24/7, but if you're so busy that you're gone for days at a time, and you need to answer questions, grade applications (for RP sites), or simply converse with your members, having the site isn't a good idea. It might be a good idea to have some sort of staff member(s) to help answer questions and whatnot, but if you do have staff members to assist you ... it's important for them to actually do their job. Basically, if the staff isn't good enough, how in the world is the site supposed to kick off properly?
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Post by lyssgarv on Mar 30, 2010 10:20:16 GMT -8
-What did you think is the best way to manage a forum? (For example, have you found certain methods of interacting with members or giving warnings/bans that seems to work more than others?)
This struck me as interesting because I actually have and did it without noticing. I've been roleplaying for about 8 years now and in those 8 years I have a whole MSN messenger contact list full of people I've roleplayed with. I found that the best way to get members and have a site with a friendly atmosphere is to make friends. Together, all of us join a site one of us has made. Yea, some go dead because others aren't interested but the ones that stay active, we usually get even more friends, mostly by talking in the chat box for 12 hours or making some interactive plots. I've found that because I've done these things, I always have someone who will join my site and there won't be any of that awkward moments like when you first start out. It also helps for new members when they see so many people interacting so well together. It shows for a friendly atmosphere and that's a number thing to getting activity on your site.
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Post by Kami on Mar 30, 2010 10:27:15 GMT -8
Are you generally strict or lenient?
I think this question isn't as black and white as it seems. You tell someone you're strict with running a site, and they're not pleased. A "lenient" site seems more fun, because the assumption is there's more to do, and people are more relaxed. So, I'll say I'm neither. I'm firm with the rules we have in place, but depending on individual situations the head admin and I might make exceptions. If necessary, I can be hard-nosed on a subject, or whilst enforcing a particular rule, but I don't think I'm either strict nor lenient.
Do you take into account the length of a person's membership when dealing with troublesome members or drama?
Most definitely. However, we also take into consideration whether they're a constant problem member, what the problem or situation may be, as well as their attitudes in dealing with myself and/or other staff members. However, in terms of warnings, they generally get the same treatment as new members -- a warning, then an increase in warning level, and so on down the warning system. Of course, that is if they've not been warned before. If they have, we do pick up where things were left off.
That said, there are certain situations where some people should just know better -- and those times I am a lot more hard nosed about it. In all honesty, I think it really depends on the situation, and what exactly the trouble or drama entails.
Do you believe consistency is good or bad?
I believe it's a great thing. I don't think you can be 100% consistent, or even should be; sometimes there are situations which call for the use of your judgment, that may not be consistent with past decisions. But I believe that you should be as consistent as possible, and when you do deviate from the norm, you should be ready to eloquently and politely explain your choice to any questioning member, without resorting to "because I'm the admin, that's why."
If you have a warning system, how does it work?
Again, it varies from case to case, but as a general rule is as follows:
What did you think is the best way to manage a forum? (For example, have you found certain methods of interacting with members or giving warnings/bans that seems to work more than others?)
Again, I think it really depends. I think the best way to manage a forum is to be able to talk freely with your members. They should be able to approach even just a single staff member with any concern that they have, without being afraid of retribution for a differing idea, new suggestion, or disagreement with the staff [as long as they're polite about it]. I think you need to be able to walk that fine line of being buddy buddy with your members, but without letting your personal feelings and relationships get in the way of your staffing. Members will see this, and appreciate the fact that they can have a relationship with their staff members, and that favouritism is not allowed.
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Post by lyssgarv on Mar 30, 2010 10:43:27 GMT -8
I know exactly what you mean. When I first started out as a newbie roleplayer, I was terrified to ask admins ANYTHING for fear that they were going to think of me as a noob or something. Usually, I ended up leaving those sites for that reason. You're right. An admin needs to back you their rules they set in place but they also need to listen to their members. What if a rule is too strict? Members will be sure to let you know out of the questions they ask.
As for the buddy-buddy thing, the worst thing you can do online is have cliques. In my experience, with knowing a lot of different people online, this is the number one ruiner of sites. Cliques will form, say, on a wolf rpg site because they have a "pack" together. If the current leader of the pack, sat the head honcho in this clique gets attacked and is demoted to pack member, this group of people will most likely rebel against the admin who deemed him the loser. I've seen it happen. That's why I think being friendly with everyone, even it's a first meeting, is the best way to keep your members. Of course, me knowing those few who I call my friends, will most likely put in the idea of favoritism but we go out separate ways a lot, especially when it comes to genre of the RPG site. Because we have known each other for almost 8 years, our "relationship" seems very buddy buddy but we do allow others in. We don't go off in cliques as many others do.
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Post by Kami on Mar 30, 2010 10:53:02 GMT -8
I know exactly what you mean. When I first started out as a newbie roleplayer, I was terrified to ask admins ANYTHING for fear that they were going to think of me as a noob or something. Usually, I ended up leaving those sites for that reason. You're right. An admin needs to back you their rules they set in place but they also need to listen to their members. What if a rule is too strict? Members will be sure to let you know out of the questions they ask. As for the buddy-buddy thing, the worst thing you can do online is have cliques. In my experience, with knowing a lot of different people online, this is the number one ruiner of sites. Cliques will form, say, on a wolf rpg site because they have a "pack" together. If the current leader of the pack, sat the head honcho in this clique gets attacked and is demoted to pack member, this group of people will most likely rebel against the admin who deemed him the loser. I've seen it happen. That's why I think being friendly with everyone, even it's a first meeting, is the best way to keep your members. Of course, me knowing those few who I call my friends, will most likely put in the idea of favoritism but we go out separate ways a lot, especially when it comes to genre of the RPG site. Because we have known each other for almost 8 years, our "relationship" seems very buddy buddy but we do allow others in. We don't go off in cliques as many others do. Exactly. The first site I RP'd on -- to this day -- the admins are very much for favouritism, and I'm still afraid to ask them for anything [even five years after my original joining]. Even if the main admin seems unapproachable [because, think of it, the phrase "head administrator" is a little daunting], it would do well to have a co-admin or gmod that members feel comfortable talking to. That's my role on the site I spoke of earlier. In terms of rules being to strict, while we don't think our rules are that way, we are definitely open to new ideas, especially when backed by good reasoning. In fact, we just changed a few of our rules this new year to accommodate the fact that the subject matter of our forum isn't as popular as it once was, and whilst we're still active, the overall daily registration is down. And I agree in terms of cliques. I hate them. However, I think it's sometimes a little bit inevitable, especially on RP forums where not everyone RPs together. I think, however, the solution to that is to be open in OOC areas, and be accepting of new players to your storyline whenever possible [some storylines are closed, but if you have more than one character you can always help a new member feel welcome by offering to play with a character not in a closed line].
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Post by lyssgarv on Mar 30, 2010 10:58:04 GMT -8
I agree with you on this. If you were to go to my site in the middle of the afternoon, you would most likely find all members chatting about random things in the chatbox. Most of the time, when I run out of muse, I hit the chat box. You'd be surprised how many people open up when you talk about things other than the roleplay itself. I've gone hours in a chatbox before and never touched a single thread in the forum but I also made five more people comfortable enough to ask me questions with things that had been bugging them for weeks.
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Post by ~Sarzah~ on Mar 31, 2010 7:21:22 GMT -8
And I agree in terms of cliques. I hate them. However, I think it's sometimes a little bit inevitable, especially on RP forums where not everyone RPs together. I think, however, the solution to that is to be open in OOC areas, and be accepting of new players to your storyline whenever possible [some storylines are closed, but if you have more than one character you can always help a new member feel welcome by offering to play with a character not in a closed line]. Also, moderators should be instructed to do this, too - it annoys the life out of me when the moderators refuse to post, seeing as they're the first ones I turn to if I have a problem and I like to get to know them before said problem happens (most of the time it doesn't, but 'be prepared' is the scout's motto). I'm not quite so active on the CBox, but I tend to hand out my email a lot, and will MSN for hours with members.
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Post by lyssgarv on Mar 31, 2010 9:02:07 GMT -8
I do this as well! That's how all of my online friends and I keep in touch! The first thing I do when I turn my computer on is log onto all my messengers and see how everything is doing. New members who join, I always ask if they wish to share any messenger screen names so they could join our chat, get to know the staff and perhaps other members as well. I like to expand my websites off the forum itself most of the time. It let's member feel like they are accepted into an "exclusive" group, mainly because the head admin has asked them to join a group chat. Quite daunting.
I'm not quite sure what you mean here... Are you saying you hate that moderators don't get involved in a problem before the admin does? Because I see that a lot. Moderators don't take their position seriously. They like to think of themselves as a higher staff and overall do what they please. Moderators are supposed to moderate one particular board, not the entire site. And I agree. Moderators need to start stepping up to the plate.
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Post by ily 'TIL THE end on Jul 26, 2010 18:29:19 GMT -8
-Are you generally strict or lenient?
Quite usually, I want to be lenient with people because I understand that some people want to have fun and do things. But I get pretty strict when other people are getting upset about the behavior of others. And usually I would try to remedy the situation by making it clear how far you can go and what you can and can't say because some people think it's funny to post disrespectful comments about a select ideal while others didn't appreciate it. I believe in a fine line, it's okay to be sarcastic but there is also the line of respect that needs to be drawn in such a case.
-Do you take into account the length of a person's membership when dealing with troublesome members or drama?
If someone has been a member of my forum for a long time, they should know better. They would be dealt with as someone who knows better but did it anyway. Generally, I would give an initially warning like a PM. Any repeated infractions would generally be rewarded with a nice warning bar in their name.
-Do you believe consistency is good or bad?
It can go either way. Consistently bad and consistently good. If you can show consistency on something, that's good but if you are consistently breaking rules, goodbye. That goes for staff aswell. Consistent moderating is great and it shows that you are doing what you were designed to do. Now, people slip up and make mistakes, so I don't count small minor, ooops, when I look at how consistent someone is.
-If you have a warning system, how does it work?
Trolling/bullying is automatic ban. Other infractions have their percentages and at the current moment, I'm in the midst of creating such things so that it would be easier for my staff team and I to better moderate the forum. Currently, we have no reason to use the warning system or the like. I had to ban one person but that was for trolling on another forum about my forum. So we have been lucky to not need a system quite yet but it's in my plans to design one.
-What did you think is the best way to manage a forum? (For example, have you found certain methods of interacting with members or giving warnings/bans that seems to work more than others?)
Fortunately, I have yet to deal with such a thing. I think the best way to manage a forum is to be consistent, not lax on the rules because it can leave room for others to think they can do whatever they want, troll, bully, spam, etc.
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