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Post by Morgoth on Apr 6, 2006 11:46:24 GMT -8
weez is correct in his analysis of LaVey's Satanism: it's a belief that one should give in to ones natural urges - sexual, and so on. This is seen as contrary to Christian teachings, hence where 'Satan' comes in: for the Church of Satan, Lucifer is not the creator, he simply represents the fact that humankind should not repress their basic urges.
ryndell is very correct. I am a theosopher, and am interested in the nature of God. I believe there is a god and that religions are attempts by man to come closer to the divine - in many ways flawed, but there are things they get right.
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Post by Kazak on Apr 6, 2006 12:10:06 GMT -8
I'm a Unitarian Universalist. UUs reject the notion of the trinity if favor of one universal god. There's an inside joke among UUs: As Unitarians, we believe in only one god... at most. We live by seven principles and purposes: (Did you see anything in there about god?)
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Post by tom on Apr 6, 2006 12:51:43 GMT -8
gunsgermsandsteel is highlighting one of the reasons why I hate organised religion in general. My first post on Nacht's forum was about this. I dislike the whole organised religion thing as a whole, though, so I stay away from any organisation that has anything to do with God or "follow us and we garantee what will happen when you die". Religion, God, theism and everything like that should be strictly in your own mind; betwen you and who ever the religion is between (God, etc.). I stand by the firm belief that as soon as belief structures and systems are put down and put into an organisation, one with authority, and not to mention the biggest land-owner in the country (this country, at least) and there will spring hyporcresy and the adulteration of everything that the religion itself originally stood for. With most organised religions you get power, wealth and authority and whenever you have these things you always get people willing to exploit it. Whether it be the Romans persecuting Christians to make sure that the Romans keep all of the power, or Richard the Lionheart using religion as a mask for his crusades. I am not against religion. A religion is a set of beliefs. This means that they belong solely to the person. A religion should remain in your head and should not affect anyone else in any way.
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Post by Zephyr on Apr 6, 2006 13:31:21 GMT -8
Wrong. Also wrong. I'll give you that one. Satanism is in no way whatsoever related to Christianity aside from the fact that Anton Lavey somewhat created the Church of Satan to poke a bit of fun at the Christian Church. How is Buddhism not a religion? That is one of the silliest statements I have ever read/heard. Buddism is a philosophy. A relegion requires a supream god, which buddism doesnt have. Also, unlike relegion, buddism lets you celebrate other relegions along with it as well. Buddism is certainly a valid belief, and I would rather belive in the Philosophy of Buddism that the Relegion of Chrisiantiy. Also: Satan. Need to belive in God as well to belive in Satan. That's jibba jabba. Buddhism is a religion, it's only the diluted western perceptions of Buddhism that are philsophies. A prerequisite to being a religion is not a belief in one supreme God. and not all religions believe in one supreme God. In fact, there are enough of them to give them a group name, they call them 'polytheistic' religions.
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Post by ryndell on Apr 7, 2006 17:29:32 GMT -8
There Is only one Satan No matter How you look at it.He is lucifer the dark one.He is all master of evil. He is the plague of all things. Anything connected with Satanism is a bad thing period . What you speak of is not satanism .it is A Greek form of an ancient religion called hedonism . This is to not suppress your urges to live free, and live man nature to the fullest. It is not Satanism .Please do not confuse the two .As I said all Religions point to one single creator period .They just believe in him differently. To Satanists those who have choosen lucifer god is the enemy.Which god is all knowing, all devine. and all loving period .God is Master of all even including satan .God Created all things .
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Post by Nesh on Apr 7, 2006 20:01:00 GMT -8
haha....buddhism is a religion...im from singapore...and for sure i should know that... One common thing in all religions are rules- that is the main thing i hate bout it. Religions are nothing but some belief based political party where a set of rules is established for a community of people to compulsorily follow. Religion is a mental prison as it retricts you from doing many things. Religions are man-made. And i believe there is a clear distinction between religions and God. Ironically i believe in God, but not in religions. Lets analyze a particular scenerio, if religion X is the most perfect ideal religion in the world, then why did God made sure that people are borned randomly in several religions. God surely wouldnt be biased rite, so unless you believe in Karma or reincarnation, God wouldnt put us in several religions, of which only one is deemed to be pure. From i can derive 2 conclusions: 1 is God do not exist. I have my experiences and i rule out on that one. So the second conclusion is: God do not give a damn bout religions, for it is man-made, and being unnecessarily associated with God.
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Post by maxxx on Apr 7, 2006 20:04:01 GMT -8
You are right in that many religions have one supreme God. However, buddhism, taoism, satanism, certain christian sects, hinduism (it is a common misconception that Hindus have many Gods but one is above all others, in fact the core belief in hinduism is that everything is one, everything is everything else, so we are all God), and most Native American religions have no one supreme God.
ryndell, please do some more research, especially on satanism...satanists do not worship satan, just do some research
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Post by maxxx on Apr 7, 2006 20:05:43 GMT -8
I'm a Unitarian Universalist. UUs reject the notion of the trinity if favor of one universal god. There's an inside joke among UUs: As Unitarians, we believe in only one god... at most. We live by seven principles and purposes: (Did you see anything in there about god?) wow, and all these years i thought i was the only UU on Proboards Support, i shall be sending you a PM momentarily the reason i didnt mention UUism in my above post is because to many UU's there is only one God, to many there are no Gods, to many there are millions which is why i <3 Unitarian Universalism
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Post by ryndell on Apr 8, 2006 7:03:06 GMT -8
Buddhism ,and taoism do hold one god supreme above all .I have studied the Shaolin Philosphies all of my life. So i do know this they just believe they can become one with the creator . Please do more research yourself. All true religions believe in a single creator period. Even true Satanism .
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Post by Zephyr on Apr 8, 2006 8:08:34 GMT -8
Buddhism ,and taoism do hold one god supreme above all .I have studied the Shaolin Philosphies all of my life. So i do know this they just believe they can become one with the creator . Please do more research yourself. All true religions believe in a single creator period. Even true Satanism . oh my god, you clearly havn't studied Shaolin Philosophies all your life because if you had you'd know Buddhism doesn't believe in one supreme God. I can't believe you're debating it. it's also obvious that all religions don't believe in one supreme God.
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Post by ryndell on Apr 8, 2006 9:03:42 GMT -8
Do Not tell me what i have or have not studied all my life. Buddhism no matter what you think, does believe in an all supreme creator of all things. As i said all religions do .This is the key factor in all faiths no matter how it is practiced. Something has to have a beginning, and creation .This is fact .
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Post by tom on Apr 8, 2006 15:19:18 GMT -8
This is not fact, this is a very flawed oppinion that many humans have when trying to deal with infinity.
I do not claim to know much on the subject, but I was always led to believe that Buddhism works by the idea that "there could be god(s), there might not be, but it doesn't really matter".
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Post by ryndell on Apr 8, 2006 15:30:36 GMT -8
Buddha believed very much in god, the creator . Buddhism was based off of his teachings.Therefore this still points to a single creator period.These are facts no matter how much you want to try to divert people from them .
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Post by tom on Apr 8, 2006 15:31:35 GMT -8
In which case, what separates Buddhism from Hinduism?
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Post by ryndell on Apr 8, 2006 15:49:34 GMT -8
the hindu do believe in one creator above all, but they believe in multiple gods and goddesses, or at least this were the origins of hinduism began
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