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Post by ToriJ on Aug 3, 2019 6:25:47 GMT -8
Which comic book company do you root for the most? This is hard for me a little bit, but I have to say Marvel is the clear winner when it comes to their movies, but I think DC is better at their TV and animated features, and I think both are doing pretty good in the comic book world. I just got finished reading the first two volumes of New 52 Supergirl, and I read a history of Marvel comics earlier this year.
As much as I like Supergirl, Superman, Batman, and have a soft spot for their heroes, I'm going to go with Marvel. They just have more relatable characters and I was more into my Spider-Man and X-Men comic books than Batman or Superman.
Discuss.
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Post by Søren on Aug 3, 2019 7:52:56 GMT -8
2000 AD! but out the choices, I guess DC. I always liked Batman though only followed the tv series. Could never relate to any other superhero stuff, always too black and white for me.
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Post by Derek‽ on Aug 3, 2019 14:49:54 GMT -8
I’ve always preferred Marvel over DC. Marvel’s best characters are more grounded in reality and feel like real people, while DC’s are more of a fantasy. Simply setting the stories in real cities instead of fictional duplicates goes a long way in selling the realism.
Even the less relatable characters have very human faults. Captain America’s obnoxiously patriotic Boy Scout routine was crushed and ground into a fine powder when Watergate happened, rebranding the disillusioned character as “Nomad”. Tony Stark, the billionaire genius, suffers from alcoholism and has had to come to terms with how blindly naive he is in thinking everything will turn out alright because he can do no wrong.
(I can’t say I’ve ever been on board with the outer space forays Marvel took in the ‘70s and ‘80s, and if that’s where the MCU is heading, uh, no thanks.)
And yet, my favorite comic book character is Batman. Besides Nightwing, who’s basically just DC’s version of Spider-Man, Batman is probably DC’s most Marvel-like character (Iron Man comparisons abound). He’s wealthy and highly intelligent, but he’s not superpowered. There are demons in his closet. In fact, it can be difficult to call him a hero. He uses his billions to develop ways to oppress and assault the poor and often mentally ill residents of Gotham. He could reform the city through clever investments that would reduce the need for people to turn toward crime (as petty criminals and henchmen, that is), but he chooses to wage a campaign of terror against the working class and lower. But fear won’t make their situation better, only create a deeper sense of desperation and anger, which in turn leads to violence. For all the lip-service paid to wanting true criminal justice reform, he disregards the work of the GCPD and judicial system because he thinks he knows better. In many ways, he’s the problem.
He himself is potentially mentally ill. In some incarnations he switches between the nice-guy Bruce Wayne persona and the overly-serious Batman persona (which is kept up even in private) at the drop of a hat (or the donning of a cowl, to be precise) with such haste that it suggests a form of dissociative identity disorder. In others, the somewhat meek, playboy-philanthropist persona is simply a method of diverting suspicion of his alter ego. It can seem clear, at times, that Batman is the real Bruce Wayne and “Bruce Wayne” is a mask, cleverly sculpted and perfected to an almost sociopathic degree. And in yet other, lighter incarnations he really is a kind person with a sense of duty. The many different faces of the character make for an interesting critical dive and profiling. No matter which version you look at, an orphaned child raised in isolation with absolutely everything at his disposal, who goes on to wear a bat costume and fight criminals as an adult, is certainly not well-adjusted.
To draw a final comparison between Batman and Marvel, I’ll say that Batman works best as a standalone feature, separate from the DC multiverse in the same way the X-Men do with Marvel. The best think Christopher Nolan did with his Dark Knight trilogy was to declare that Superman doesn’t even exist. Batman provides a grounded look at what makes people tick and how they function in a broken world, but that is somewhat undermined when you become aware of a superpowered, flying alien doing his thing fighting other superpowered beings a few miles away. The scope changes and the issues seem pettier. Likewise, the X-Men might be global in scope, but their allegory for the fight for civil rights and the bigotry mutants face is hard to square up with the rest of Marvel’s universe. Bringing Spider-Man into the world of the X-Men works on occasion owing to his grounded, mutant-ish essence, but the X-Men need to be separate from the collective to make their struggle pop. The situation is otherwise too messy and the politics don’t add up. You can’t have Captain America and S.H.I.E.L.D. protecting the world from superpowered and extraterrestrial threats at the same time Congress is passing legislation to strip away freedoms from innocent mutants unless you’re willing to realize Cap and S.H.I.E.L.D. are fascist enforcers of the government’s anti-mutant agenda. While there have been storylines addressing Cap’s blind loyalty and the faults of S.H.I.E.L.D, the broader scope is still out of proportion and every other Marvel character would have to be completely apathetic to the plight of their persecuted compatriots.
(Well this post turned out much longer than it needed to be...)
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Post by ToriJ on Aug 4, 2019 12:46:21 GMT -8
It's a good post, though.
Now I'm wondering how Marvel Studios are going to introduce X-Men into the MCU because since Disney bought out 20th Century Fox they now own the movie rights to X-Men and Fantastic Four, and both are getting films in Phase IV of the MCU soon.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Aug 4, 2019 15:59:36 GMT -8
Out of the movies, I prefer DC. I love WONDER WOMAN and SHAZAM! I didn't vote though because I wasn't sure on comic books.
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Post by 🍁🇨🇦 Tai Pan 🇨🇦🍁 on Aug 8, 2019 1:42:29 GMT -8
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Post by Derek‽ on Aug 8, 2019 1:49:54 GMT -8
It's a good post, though. Now I'm wondering how Marvel Studios are going to introduce X-Men into the MCU because since Disney bought out 20th Century Fox they now own the movie rights to X-Men and Fantastic Four, and both are getting films in Phase IV of the MCU soon. (Merci.) I believed you are mistaken. Phase IV has already been set in stone and the X-Men aren’t part of it. Phase V currently includes the Fantastic Four, but still no X-Men. Marvel said last year that the X-Men wouldn’t be introduced into the MCU for at least five years, which I figure would probably put it in Phase VI at the earliest. I hope Marvel comes to their senses and keeps the X-Men universe separate. Not every property needs to be part of the MCU. Fox’s take on the X-Men is too big (and at times, too good; RIP The Gifted) to just throw away for an “official” reboot. It would be best if Marvel were to lend their expertise to Fox to help create a more cohesive, singular vision of what already exists, since Fox does seem a bit scatterbrained recently. Using lesser-known characters piecemeal in the MCU would probably be fine. Marvel already did that with Wanda and Pietro Maximoff, both of whom are Magneto’s kids, but there’s no hint whatsoever that Magneto is supposed to exist in the MCU, which made their inclusion bizarre given how faithful Marvel has tried to stay to established character histories. The fact that Marvel chose to license those characters at all is a bit baffling. They’re “meh” at best. Pietro dies in the MCU and Wanda doesn’t even exist in Fox’s X-verse, which suggests the two parties hammered out a tricky negotiation and Marvel must have really wanted Scarlet Witch for some reason. With any luck maybe Disney will let Fox keep using Deadpool. The character just wouldn’t fit in the MCU as anything other than a brief cameo and I can’t see Marvel making an R-rated film anywiay.
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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Aug 9, 2019 3:50:17 GMT -8
Marvel won
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Post by Chani on Aug 9, 2019 5:09:41 GMT -8
Batman is the only superhero I've ever liked, so I suppose it's DC for me. I'll watch the movies and animated series from either, but Batman is the only one I ever cared about enough to touch the actual comics.
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Post by mirandashell on Aug 10, 2019 9:11:16 GMT -8
I only watch the movies and TV programmes so can't comment on the comics. But I voted Marvel for one reason, humour. There is none in DC. Their films/TV are too dark and unleavened by any humour, usually. Whereas the MCU is full of little comedy moments that lift the darkness and the seriousness and make it more real. IRL, humans are often at their funniest when they are suffering.
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Post by Knightly Celt on Aug 10, 2019 10:43:29 GMT -8
I didn't read comics as a kid. I only know Marvel and DC through TV and movies; of those, I prefer Marvel.
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Post by ToriJ on Aug 10, 2019 11:09:06 GMT -8
It's a good post, though. Now I'm wondering how Marvel Studios are going to introduce X-Men into the MCU because since Disney bought out 20th Century Fox they now own the movie rights to X-Men and Fantastic Four, and both are getting films in Phase IV of the MCU soon. (Merci.) I believed you are mistaken. Phase IV has already been set in stone and the X-Men aren’t part of it. Phase V currently includes the Fantastic Four, but still no X-Men. Marvel said last year that the X-Men wouldn’t be introduced into the MCU for at least five years, which I figure would probably put it in Phase VI at the earliest. I hope Marvel comes to their senses and keeps the X-Men universe separate. Not every property needs to be part of the MCU. Fox’s take on the X-Men is too big (and at times, too good; RIP The Gifted) to just throw away for an “official” reboot. It would be best if Marvel were to lend their expertise to Fox to help create a more cohesive, singular vision of what already exists, since Fox does seem a bit scatterbrained recently. Using lesser-known characters piecemeal in the MCU would probably be fine. Marvel already did that with Wanda and Pietro Maximoff, both of whom are Magneto’s kids, but there’s no hint whatsoever that Magneto is supposed to exist in the MCU, which made their inclusion bizarre given how faithful Marvel has tried to stay to established character histories. The fact that Marvel chose to license those characters at all is a bit baffling. They’re “meh” at best. Pietro dies in the MCU and Wanda doesn’t even exist in Fox’s X-verse, which suggests the two parties hammered out a tricky negotiation and Marvel must have really wanted Scarlet Witch for some reason. With any luck maybe Disney will let Fox keep using Deadpool. The character just wouldn’t fit in the MCU as anything other than a brief cameo and I can’t see Marvel making an R-rated film anywiay. Oh. Then I don't know where my friends got their information from. I was told they even cameo at the end of Endgame, but that must've been a mistake, too. Bleh.
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Post by Derek‽ on Aug 12, 2019 12:55:56 GMT -8
Oh. Then I don't know where my friends got their information from. I was told they even cameo at the end of Endgame, but that must've been a mistake, too. Bleh. There was no cameo that I’m aware of. There has been speculation about a certain object in the film being adamantium, which is what Wolverine’s skeleton and claws are coated with, but there’s been no official confirmation that the alloy actually was featured in the film. Disney completed its acquisition of 21CF about a month prior to the release of Endgame, so there shouldn’t have been an issue with making that inclusion official, if it even is adamantium. I’ve recently heard a fan hypothesis that the events of Infinity War and Endgame[/em] could be used as the cause of the X-Gene activation in the majority of individuals who possess it. This would explain why mutants aren’t currently running amok in the MCU. Older mutants, such as Xavier, Magneto, Wolverine, Sabertooth, etc. would already exist, they just aren’t making a splash on the world stage yet. We already know there’s a fear and bias against “powered” individuals thanks to Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, so Marvel could fast-track the anti-mutant sentiments and oppression after more of the “powered” suddenly appear on every street corner. This would be acceptable in a pinch, but it’s also messy and problematic in a way the MCU usually isn’t. It would be unfathomable for Marvel not to feature Magneto in the MCU, but the timeline wouldn’t work out. Much of his characterization, especially his hatred of humans, is predicated in his experiences in a Nazi concentration camp and being treated as subhuman, but a young boy in the 1940s is not going to be a supervillain in the 2020s or beyond. He spent most of his adult life as a mutant advocate/supremacist, but if there were very few mutants around until after he entered a nursing home, what was he doing with his life? Who the hell was he fighting for? They couldn’t even do a ‘60s period piece in the same vein as First Class if there weren’t enough mutants around to justify his agenda.
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Post by wildmaven on Aug 12, 2019 14:27:37 GMT -8
There was no cameo that I’m aware of. There has been speculation about a certain object in the film being adamantium, which is what Wolverine’s skeleton and claws are coated with, but there’s been no official confirmation that the alloy actually was featured in the film. Isn't that what Captain America's shield is made from?
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Post by Derek‽ on Aug 12, 2019 14:31:40 GMT -8
There was no cameo that I’m aware of. There has been speculation about a certain object in the film being adamantium, which is what Wolverine’s skeleton and claws are coated with, but there’s been no official confirmation that the alloy actually was featured in the film. Isn't that what Captain America's shield is made from? Vibranium. Adamantium was created by accident when trying to recreate vibranium. The former is supposed to be stronger than the latter.
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