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Post by Daedra Gem Doppler on Sept 16, 2019 17:56:28 GMT -8
Is it because there's no high that people don't understand that it's addictive? I really don't get it. Also, (legal) pot brownies and gummie worms? Whipped cream and birthday cake vodka? But vape is bad because kids like those flavors? Can adults not like candy despite there being an adult coloring book industry? Please explain the hypocrisy.
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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Sept 16, 2019 19:47:14 GMT -8
It's not the flavors that are getting people sick, its drug loards filling fake juul pods and shipping them out and selling them on the streets to where product gets from dealer to person age does not matter to drug pushers. gizmodo.com/over-1-000-counterfeit-juul-pods-containing-questionabl-1834136796abc7ny.com/3-charged-in-million-dollar-fake-vape-scheme-on-long-island/5437746/But people will still blame vaping because that's what the news outlet wants them to read. Blame one thing then you can get everything else to go away. Theres work arounds the media isnt even covering, there are ways to create these liquids yourself. I remember hearing from more experienced users that a baby took a bottle of nicotine (which is completely legal to buy) and the baby drank the entire thing thinking it was a normal drink because the parents forgot to store it properly. Kids still get their hands on all of these products you listed even though they are still regulated some kids drink straight vodka, steal cigarettes from their parents, chug down weed whatever. Banning products never solve anything nor will it. Even if we ban gun people get their hands on illegal weaponry all the time. Should we banbutter knives also? Vaping is too mass produced as is, people will find a work around. It's a rare percentage that actually cares about laws anyway. Just be smart about it.
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Post by endo on Sept 16, 2019 20:43:00 GMT -8
People may be getting sick from fake whatever you're talking about, but it's the chemicals in the actual vape cartridges that are causing lung ailments and issues.
The links don't mean anything. There are questionable substances in legal vape cartridges and the like. I get that you vape, OK. But, you're defending something that is legit making people sick, and making them sick because of the chemicals in them. It's not just the fake ones, it's the legit ones too, but money is being made, so as I said before, the FDA requires the bare minimum to pass standards and be sold.
It was the same with cigarettes until people started getting cancer and dying and they cracked down on it. This is worse though, because this was supposed to be an alternative, a "safer" alternative, and people are getting sick much faster due to the chemicals in it. Do it all you want, not my business. But don't try to push it off as safe, or it's only fake crap hurting people.
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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Sept 16, 2019 21:15:39 GMT -8
People may be getting sick from fake whatever you're talking about, but it's the chemicals in the actual vape cartridges that are causing lung ailments and issues.
The links don't mean anything. There are questionable substances in legal vape cartridges and the like. I get that you vape, OK. But, you're defending something that is legit making people sick, and making them sick because of the chemicals in them. It's not just the fake ones, it's the legit ones too, but money is being made, so as I said before, the FDA requires the bare minimum to pass standards and be sold.
It was the same with cigarettes until people started getting cancer and dying and they cracked down on it. This is worse though, because this was supposed to be an alternative, a "safer" alternative, and people are getting sick much faster due to the chemicals in it. Do it all you want, not my business. But don't try to push it off as safe, or it's only fake crap hurting people. Cracked down on it? You can still go into a normal tabacco shop and purchase a chocolate flavored cigar just fine. I dont use any of the cartridge juul or pods out there and my lungs have been just fine. It's just not one thing in the vaping league.
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Post by endo on Sept 16, 2019 22:16:28 GMT -8
Yes, cracked down on it. The tobacco industry paid millions in fines and had all ads removed from TV. So yes, they cracked down on it, IE:, took a large part of their advertising campaign away.
You can go anywhere and buy cigarettes or a Juul, what's your point? Both are terrible for you. I smoked, I know. The point I'm making that keeps slipping past you is that the e-cigs and Juuls and vaping are killing people, and doing it faster than cigarettes or tobacco did. So what's in them? Do you know? What exactly are you smoking?
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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Sept 16, 2019 22:33:45 GMT -8
Yes, cracked down on it. The tobacco industry paid millions in fines and had all ads removed from TV. So yes, they cracked down on it, IE:, took a large part of their advertising campaign away. You can go anywhere and buy cigarettes or a Juul, what's your point? Both are terrible for you. I smoked, I know. The point I'm making that keeps slipping past you is that the e-cigs and Juuls and vaping is killing people, and doing it faster than cigarettes or tobacco did. So what's in them? Do you know? What exactly are you smoking? There are forms of making your own liquids which I have done. If we ban vaping then we need to take away smoking. Let me put it this way we ban flavored liquids alright. Adult goes to Amazon buys his propelyne glycol, vegetable glycerine, food extracts and liquid nicotine and makes his own. Parent does the same, leaves his open nicotine out by mistake and his young child mistankingly drinks thinking its juice. What would happen? Fda steps in and bans liquid nicotine now, adults can still buy their products and not use nicotine while smokers can still walk into a gas station and buy their Newport's just fine. You cant ban vaping theres way too many work arounds. I dont think its safer but a more cleaner and enjoyable experience for myself. It's my hobby on the 2nd hand and my first priority to keep me off cigarettes. Maybe you're reading me wrong but as I mention in the past I dont think it's a godsend from tabacco gods. But it doesnt leave me smelling like crap to others around me and I'm responsible enough not to let little kids be around my stuff, I even dont let my cat around it whatsoever. But to say ban vaping would mean to ban everything else on the market that kills you so easily. FDA potential ban list would be: Liquid nicotine Vegetable glycerine Propelyne glycol Batteries Metal wire Cotton Are they going to ban products that dont even have anything to do with vaping? I dont think so liquid nicotine would be the only thing they could. And if you say ban battery powered devices also again, vaping became popular from tinker's they will find even more of a dangerous way to vape by soldering together two batteries, buying a connection putting a low build on it then cause an explosion. I'm all more for the FDA to regulate it but people are creative enough to potentially even find more dangerous ways to vape which could cause more harm to people and they will. I know you wanna disagree with me all you want to endo, but you cant deny people have a work around to everything.
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Post by endo on Sept 16, 2019 22:42:17 GMT -8
I didn't say anything about banning any smoking product did I? I said vaping products contain chemicals that will kill you faster than tobacco, which they will and has already been proven. Now, if the government wants to put a ban on vaping, well I have nothing to do with that, though I haven''t heard much about it. They must have better things to do than worry about people killing themselves. IDK.
What I was pointing out is you making this seem like vaping is happy fun time when it's actually killing people. Again, I don't care at all if you do it. Not my issue, not my problem. What I care about is you acting like it's harmless and it's not.
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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Sept 16, 2019 22:50:48 GMT -8
I didn't say anything about banning any smoking product did I? I said vaping products contain chemicals that will kill you faster than tobacco, which they will and has already been proven. Now, if the government wants to put a ban on vaping, well I have nothing to do with that, though I haven''t heard much about it. They must have better things to do than worry about people killing themselves. IDK. What I was pointing out is you making this seem like vaping is happy fun time when it's actually killing people. Again, I don't care at all if you do it. Not my issue, not my problem. What I care about is you acting like it's harmless and it's not. After I pointed out a few times I dont think it's a godsend? Anything we put in our body can kill us. Alchohol, smoking, vaping whatever. And yes there are bans out towards vaping which is what's upsetting everyone. Maybe you're just not reading everything I'm saying and trying to make me look like I care less about others?
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Post by endo on Sept 16, 2019 22:57:07 GMT -8
The thread title is "What Separates Nicotine from Other Drugs?". Maybe we both got off track. I would say nothing. Nicotine is as bad for you as any other drug, and depending upon it's form, can kill you as quickly.
I didn't mean to start an argument, just pointing out the fact that vaping is terrible for anyone.
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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Sept 16, 2019 23:01:30 GMT -8
The thread title is "What Separates Nicotine from Other Drugs?". Maybe we both got off track. I would say nothing. Nicotine is as bad for you as any other drug, and depending upon it's form, can kill you as quickly. I didn't mean to start an argument, just pointing out the fact that vaping is terrible for anyone. The post also went into flavored products and the fda banning flavored eliquids is a huge deal right now so I assumed that's what they were getting into. And theres a major hypocrisy involved. Why ban flavored nicotine liquid when you can order chocolate flavored cigars just fine online? You may think vaping is worse but like you said nicotine can also kill you just as much
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Post by endo on Sept 16, 2019 23:22:31 GMT -8
Yup, you win. We agree that vaping, and all of the chemicals involved with it, will kill you.
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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Sept 16, 2019 23:53:05 GMT -8
And we agree that alcohol and cigarettes can kill you also? Yup, you win. We agree that vaping, and all of the chemicals involved with it, will kill you.
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Post by wildmaven on Sept 17, 2019 9:38:27 GMT -8
I find it humorous when something that someone is invested in gets targeted because it's harmful and instead of saying, "let's fix the problem," they point fingers at others and say, "but they're doing it." This is why progress is so dang slow.
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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Sept 17, 2019 12:38:15 GMT -8
I find it humorous when something that someone is invested in gets targeted because it's harmful and instead of saying, "let's fix the problem," they point fingers at others and say, "but they're doing it." This is why progress is so dang slow. Like how people blame one whole thing instead of targeting down that one specific thing to fix the problem?
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Post by Derek‽ on Sept 17, 2019 14:00:03 GMT -8
It isn’t hypocritical to target flavored e-cig liquids as problematic and leave flavored tobacco products and alcohol alone. There isn’t a massive amount of teens who want tobacco products anymore. Sure, there are still teens who smoke, but the numbers are way down as tobacco is seen as filthy and generally unappealing to teens these days. After getting in trouble in the ‘90s for allegedly targeting children with their advertising, tobacco companies wouldn’t dare be reckless enough to diversify their products with flavors or packaging that might draw in a younger crowd the way vaping companies have done. Teens want alcohol, period. They don’t care much about the flavors, just the effects. But alcohol isn’t as easy to come by. It isn’t necessarily hard to get, either, but teens can’t usually just buy it online with no age verification nor can they get their friend whom already turned 18 to pop into a store and buy the product for everyone. There are reasonable barriers to obtaining alcohol, and while there will always be a concern regarding underage drinking, it’s not the most pressing concern at the moment. Vape pens and liquids can be purchased online without age verification or readily in stores by older high school students in most states, and teens want these products. The demand is high and the supply is plentiful. Removing enticing flavoring from vaping products is hoped to curb the appeal. On the health front, flavors are an issue. Flavorants—chemicals designed to stimulate receptors in the mouth and throat to simulate various flavors—were created with the intent to be swallowed and passed harmlessly into the gastrointestinal system. Then the vaping industry decided to add them to their products and it has since been discovered that these flavorants irritate and inflame receptors in the soft, vulnerable tissues of the airways, in some cases causing respiratory distress. That would be bad enough, but it turns out many of these flavorants form acetals when they come in contact with the propylene glycol base, and those acetals can cause more irritation than the flavorants. What’s most worrying is the companies producing the vape liquids apparently didn’t even know this reaction was taking place—they didn’t test to make sure what went into the bottle is what came out of the bottle before putting the product on shelves, and it’s mind-boggling that companies dealing in chemical compounds wouldn’t think to check if further chemistry was taking place and just trusted the glycol to keep everything stable.
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