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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Sept 17, 2019 15:42:39 GMT -8
It isnβt hypocritical to target flavored e-cig liquids as problematic and leave flavored tobacco products and alcohol alone. There isnβt a massive amount of teens who want tobacco products anymore. Sure, there are still teens who smoke, but the numbers are way down as tobacco is seen as filthy and generally unappealing to teens these days. After getting in trouble in the β90s for allegedly targeting children with their advertising, tobacco companies wouldnβt dare be reckless enough to diversify their products with flavors or packaging that might draw in a younger crowd the way vaping companies have done. Teens want alcohol, period. They donβt care much about the flavors, just the effects. But alcohol isnβt as easy to come by. It isnβt necessarily hard to get, either, but teens canβt usually just buy it online with no age verification nor can they get their friend whom already turned 18 to pop into a store and buy the product for everyone. There are reasonable barriers to obtaining alcohol, and while there will always be a concern regarding underage drinking, itβs not the most pressing concern at the moment. Vape pens and liquids can be purchased online without age verification or readily in stores by older high school students in most states, and teens want these products. The demand is high and the supply is plentiful. Removing enticing flavoring from vaping products is hoped to curb the appeal. On the health front, flavors are an issue. Flavorantsβchemicals designed to stimulate receptors in the mouth and throat to simulate various flavorsβwere created with the intent to be swallowed and passed harmlessly into the gastrointestinal system. Then the vaping industry decided to add them to their products and it has since been discovered that these flavorants irritate and inflame receptors in the soft, vulnerable tissues of the airways, in some cases causing respiratory distress. That would be bad enough, but it turns out many of these flavorants form acetals when they come in contact with the propylene glycol base, and those acetals can cause more irritation than the flavorants. Whatβs most worrying is the companies producing the vape liquids apparently didnβt even know this reaction was taking placeβthey didnβt test to make sure what went into the bottle is what came out of the bottle before putting the product on shelves, and itβs mind-boggling that companies dealing in chemical compounds wouldnβt think to check if further chemistry was taking place and just trusted the glycol to keep everything stable. However I just looked at a cigar shops websites and so no age verification ID system put into place what soever. Although cigars arent as popular. I find it more stupid that it takes death and illnesses before people realize that these products need to be taken more seriously. On the contrary I've shopped at sites that require you to upload photo ID. I just find it fishy that these pod devices out of no where come out and all of a sudden theres massive reports on people getting sick, where as you go back 3 or 5 years that hasn't been much much news on people dying as much as there is a big out cry today. www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm- Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day.1
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Post by π Dianne π on Sept 18, 2019 3:29:53 GMT -8
It isnβt hypocritical to target flavored e-cig liquids as problematic and leave flavored tobacco products and alcohol alone. There isnβt a massive amount of teens who want tobacco products anymore. Sure, there are still teens who smoke, but the numbers are way down as tobacco is seen as filthy and generally unappealing to teens these days. After getting in trouble in the β90s for allegedly targeting children with their advertising, tobacco companies wouldnβt dare be reckless enough to diversify their products with flavors or packaging that might draw in a younger crowd the way vaping companies have done. Teens want alcohol, period. They donβt care much about the flavors, just the effects. But alcohol isnβt as easy to come by. It isnβt necessarily hard to get, either, but teens canβt usually just buy it online with no age verification nor can they get their friend whom already turned 18 to pop into a store and buy the product for everyone. There are reasonable barriers to obtaining alcohol, and while there will always be a concern regarding underage drinking, itβs not the most pressing concern at the moment. Vape pens and liquids can be purchased online without age verification or readily in stores by older high school students in most states, and teens want these products. The demand is high and the supply is plentiful. Removing enticing flavoring from vaping products is hoped to curb the appeal. On the health front, flavors are an issue. Flavorantsβchemicals designed to stimulate receptors in the mouth and throat to simulate various flavorsβwere created with the intent to be swallowed and passed harmlessly into the gastrointestinal system. Then the vaping industry decided to add them to their products and it has since been discovered that these flavorants irritate and inflame receptors in the soft, vulnerable tissues of the airways, in some cases causing respiratory distress. That would be bad enough, but it turns out many of these flavorants form acetals when they come in contact with the propylene glycol base, and those acetals can cause more irritation than the flavorants. Whatβs most worrying is the companies producing the vape liquids apparently didnβt even know this reaction was taking placeβthey didnβt test to make sure what went into the bottle is what came out of the bottle before putting the product on shelves, and itβs mind-boggling that companies dealing in chemical compounds wouldnβt think to check if further chemistry was taking place and just trusted the glycol to keep everything stable. Actually there has been rumblings of a ban on menthol cigarettes. Teens can't afford real cigarettes since they are (at least in my state) upwards from 10$ a pack.
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Post by daniel on Sept 18, 2019 15:09:54 GMT -8
Vapers and that industry need to take a breath (hah!), take a step back, and get a better appreciation for what's become a plague on our youth. These ecigs are fine as smoking cessation tools, but that's not it's primary use that I see around me. That this stupid and unhealthy thing has been mainly adopted by non-smoking youth should be a huge warning sign. Scared about it being regulated, well, the industry and "vape nation" needs to man up buttercup and *lead* on getting teens away from it.
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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Sept 18, 2019 15:54:04 GMT -8
Vapers and that industry need to take a breath (hah!), take a step back, and get a better appreciation for what's become a plague on our youth. These ecigs are fine as smoking cessation tools, but that's not it's primary use that I see around me. That this stupid and unhealthy thing has been mainly adopted by non-smoking youth should be a huge warning sign. Scared about it being regulated, well, the industry and "vape nation" needs to man up buttercup and *lead* on getting teens away from it. vaping360.com/best-e-liquids/diacetyl-free-e-juices/Next?
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Post by wildmaven on Sept 21, 2019 22:12:04 GMT -8
Vapers and that industry need to take a breath (hah!), take a step back, and get a better appreciation for what's become a plague on our youth. These ecigs are fine as smoking cessation tools, but that's not it's primary use that I see around me. That this stupid and unhealthy thing has been mainly adopted by non-smoking youth should be a huge warning sign. Scared about it being regulated, well, the industry and "vape nation" needs to man up buttercup and *lead* on getting teens away from it. vaping360.com/best-e-liquids/diacetyl-free-e-juices/Next? I have a hard time with information provided by those who benefit financially from the product being discussed.
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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Sept 21, 2019 22:35:40 GMT -8
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Post by Daedra Gem Doppler on Sept 25, 2019 1:34:30 GMT -8
I feel like vaping is misunderstood and I hate the stigma associated with it, but health aside it's 1/3 the price of cigarettes if not less for me. I smoked for like seven or eight years, was almost thru step 3 of the patch, wasn't even wearing it every day, then my mom burned down my childhood home, so I started back. This time I didn't like the smell of cigarettes, though, so vaping just seemed logical.
America is quick to jump on any bandwagon they can find and ignore all reason. The FDA has been tied up in vape for a couple of years now and I have been vaping for almost five with my lungs feeling clearer. If people want a thing bad enough, they will seek it out, and right now I see young people making fun of the cloud chasers who make it look like vaping is a fun hobby and more than a cigarette replacement. I think any kid who vapes would have been a smoker anyway because they probably have some underlying reason for wanting to self destruct. Plus if adults tell you not to do a thing, you're gonna do a thing.
TL;DR Been vaping several years, feel better than when I smoked, and if I was that worried about my health, I'd quit nicotine altogether. I'm gonna one day (dropped from 12 to 6mg since starting vaping) but right now I'm not at a point where I can maintain without nicotine. Smokers will understand.
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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Sept 25, 2019 5:17:22 GMT -8
I feel like vaping is misunderstood and I hate the stigma associated with it, but health aside it's 1/3 the price of cigarettes if not less for me. I smoked for like seven or eight years, was almost thru step 3 of the patch, wasn't even wearing it every day, then my mom burned down my childhood home, so I started back. This time I didn't like the smell of cigarettes, though, so vaping just seemed logical. America is quick to jump on any bandwagon they can find and ignore all reason. The FDA has been tied up in vape for a couple of years now and I have been vaping for almost five with my lungs feeling clearer. If people want a thing bad enough, they will seek it out, and right now I see young people making fun of the cloud chasers who make it look like vaping is a fun hobby and more than a cigarette replacement. I think any kid who vapes would have been a smoker anyway because they probably have some underlying reason for wanting to self destruct. Plus if adults tell you not to do a thing, you're gonna do a thing. TL;DR Been vaping several years, feel better than when I smoked, and if I was that worried about my health, I'd quit nicotine altogether. I'm gonna one day (dropped from 12 to 6mg since starting vaping) but right now I'm not at a point where I can maintain without nicotine. Smokers will understand. Glad someone here understands. I was a stress smoker, smoking camel menthols. Everyone in my family smoked, my grandmother died from lung cancer due to cigarettes. I've only seen one fox article where the person being interviewed admitted to buying cartridges off the street. It truly is a worry that companies are targeting kids, though kids are sneaky. It seems as if the news is becoming more knowledgeable about what's causing these illnesses. Vaping wont go away. Do you live in America by chance?
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Post by π Dianne π on Sept 26, 2019 3:23:04 GMT -8
Hmmm- something that can possibly kill you the first few times you use it, VS. something that may or may not kill you over a long period of time...
Heres my thinking -smokers have become a minority and like any minority, I say smokers need to stand up for their rights and demand to be treated equally as one does a non-smoker. Don't get me started on this subject -I can go on for hours.
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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Sept 26, 2019 4:33:23 GMT -8
Hmmm- something that can possibly kill you the first few times you use it, VS. something that may or may not kill you over a long period of time... Heres my thinking -smokers have become a minority and like any minority, I say smokers need to stand up for their rights and demand to be treated equally as one does a non-smoker. Don't get me started on this subject -I can go on for hours. So you agree we should ban smoking also if vaping gets banned?
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Post by Derekβ½ on Sept 26, 2019 12:32:04 GMT -8
Hmmm- something that can possibly kill you the first few times you use it, VS. something that may or may not kill you over a long period of time... Heres my thinking -smokers have become a minority and like any minority, I say smokers need to stand up for their rights and demand to be treated equally as one does a non-smoker. Don't get me started on this subject -I can go on for hours. Go on, Jo Camel, tell us the plight of the poor, oppressed minority of smokers who need to fight for their rights. Maybe yβall should march on Washington. If you still have the lung capacity to march more than three hundred yards, that is. The event will be known as The Great Wheezening.
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Post by π Dianne π on Sept 26, 2019 14:25:45 GMT -8
Hmmm- something that can possibly kill you the first few times you use it, VS. something that may or may not kill you over a long period of time... Here's my thinking -smokers have become a minority and like any minority, I say smokers need to stand up for their rights and demand to be treated equally as one does a non-smoker. Don't get me started on this subject -I can go on for hours. Go on, Jo Camel, tell us the plight of the poor, oppressed minority of smokers who need to fight for their rights. Maybe yβall should march on Washington. If you still have the lung capacity to march more than three hundred yards, that is. The event will be known as The Great Wheezening. Odd...did my sarcasm font fail? However, I had been wondering where your snarky self had gone off to, I missed you. Actually at the height of my heaviest smoking I was speed walking/running more than 3 miles a day and teaching body building. I was also weightlifting for two hours a day and never once wheezed!
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Post by π Dianne π on Sept 26, 2019 14:26:11 GMT -8
Hmmm- something that can possibly kill you the first few times you use it, VS. something that may or may not kill you over a long period of time... Heres my thinking -smokers have become a minority and like any minority, I say smokers need to stand up for their rights and demand to be treated equally as one does a non-smoker. Don't get me started on this subject -I can go on for hours. So you agree we should ban smoking also if vaping gets banned? No.
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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Sept 26, 2019 15:10:03 GMT -8
So you agree we should ban smoking also if vaping gets banned? No. So how does it make it equal to ban vaping and not smoking?
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Post by Daedra Gem Doppler on Sept 29, 2019 3:08:30 GMT -8
I don't get why non ADDICTS are always so hostile. Like that commercial encouraging people to judge people and swipe left on dating apps when they see a smoker. Featuring the guy who made fast food lasagna on a YouTube channel called Epic Meal Time with 40,000+ calories telling others what to put in their body. It's like people think it's easy to quit or understand that it's a lifelong ADDICTION. They don't get that you can quit and have cravings years later. They don't realize that nostalgia, smells, being around smokers, eating, drinking alcohol, and stress are all triggers that can lead to relapse very quickly. They also don't realize that we perceive them as self righteous. What do they care if we smoke? As long as I'm 10 feet away, it's my problem. Even if they've struggled with addiction themselves, they don't have a right to judge me based on a bad decision I made 12 years ago. Never forget that nicotine addicts are slaves of the tobacco industry because once you form that habit, it's there, like a second thirst. Yes we made the choice to start, but it's not like most of us waited until we turned 35 and said "Hmm, I think I'll take up smoking as a hobby today", we made a bad choice when we were young that's still haunting us. Edit: This guy was on an anti-smoking commercial. Do you see the hypocrisy? It seems like corporate America has a lot to gain by shifting the eyes of the public away from the obesity crisis, but maybe that's just me. One last thing, I started smoking because I was rebellious. All the "no drugs, no alcohol, no smoking" stuff just made me curious. Throw in mental illness and then trying weed and realizing everything they told me about it was wrong, I wondered what else they were wrong about. Anyway, I think I'm done adding to this. I accidentally posted it to the Seinfeld thread a min ago thinking I had been typing here. Okay, one more thing. I saw this elderly man (75-80) buying vape juice in a store once. He had gone from 12mg, to 6, to 3, then down to 0mg nicotine. He literally quit smoking by vaping. It seems to me it would be much easier to quit vaping because of the addictive additives they add to leaf tobacco, but whatever. Let's stigmatize a way people can quit. This was originally the point, and you think they'd be happy about no second hand smoke. Hmmm- something that can possibly kill you the first few times you use it, VS. something that may or may not kill you over a long period of time... time.com/5688229/cdc-thc-vaping-deaths/No, there were six deaths, this is not the norm. Legitimate vape shops have FDA guidelines to follow. Calculate what percentage of vapers six people adds up to, it's not much. Far fewer than 1%. I'm not trying to sound rude, I just want people to understand these were not normal cases. THC cartridges are not governed by the FDA because 'Murrica thinks prohibition works and weed is schedule 1.
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