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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 16, 2019 5:34:52 GMT -8
It's not a good day to be a Cardinals fan. Game four had the Nationals with a 7-0 lead after the first inning. The Cards were able to chip away at a nearly insurmountable lead in the 3rd and 4th innings to make it a 7-4 game but the Nats held the line from there until the end of the game to sweep the NLCS. It was not a good series for the Cardinals. Kudos to the Nationals for playing so well and moving on, but it was not good for the Cardinals. On the bright side, at least they made it to the postseason this year. Hopefully they take a good look at what they need this offseason and go for it. A few changes and they could have competed better this year. *Cough* Get Cole from the Astros *Cough*
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Post by Retread on Oct 16, 2019 6:01:13 GMT -8
*Cough* Get Cole from the Astros *Cough* The Astros are currently paying Cole a bargain-basement salary of $13.5 million. Considering the results he produced in the past two years, his value on the FA market this winter will be off the charts.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 16, 2019 12:01:38 GMT -8
*Cough* Get Cole from the Astros *Cough* The Astros are currently paying Cole a bargain-basement salary of $13.5 million. Considering the results he produced in the past two years, his value on the FA market this winter will be off the charts. You'd think so. But with the way the last few free agencies have gone, I'm not certain he will get offered what he's actually been worth. I'd still love to see the Cardinals try for him though.
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Post by Retread on Oct 16, 2019 14:21:43 GMT -8
You'd think so. But with the way the last few free agencies have gone, I'm not certain he will get offered what he's actually been worth. I'd still love to see the Cardinals try for him though. It's hard to say what any player is 'worth'. I suppose you could say he's worth exactly what the market will bear at the time. No more, no less. Baseball has a history of paying big contracts for long term, then seeing those deals cripple them over the long run. Phillies, anyone? And the Tigers are definitely in that situation right now with Miguel Cabrera. Speaking of the Tigers, in 2012 they inked a nine-year deal with Prince Fielder to the tune of $214 million. Fortunately they traded him to the Rangers. The Tigers are still sending money the Rangers on that deal but the Rangers are paying the lions share of the salary for a player who hasn't even able to play baseball since the middle of the 2016 season. Yikes! Getting back to Gerrit Cole ... I have no doubt he'll be able to sign a deal with the largest annual salary in baseball. Even an unheard salary of $40 million per year seems possible ... if ... he's willing to sign for a very short term, say two years ... maybe even three. But I doubt he'll go that way. More likely he'll be looking for the security of the guaranteed money on a longer term contract, something like eight to ten years. Regardless, he will be the story this winter. Every team looking to be a contender next season will be interested.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 17, 2019 5:37:01 GMT -8
You'd think so. But with the way the last few free agencies have gone, I'm not certain he will get offered what he's actually been worth. I'd still love to see the Cardinals try for him though. It's hard to say what any player is 'worth'. I suppose you could say he's worth exactly what the market will bear at the time. No more, no less. Baseball has a history of paying big contracts for long term, then seeing those deals cripple them over the long run. Phillies, anyone? And the Tigers are definitely in that situation right now with Miguel Cabrera. Speaking of the Tigers, in 2012 they inked a nine-year deal with Prince Fielder to the tune of $214 million. Fortunately they traded him to the Rangers. The Tigers are still sending money the Rangers on that deal but the Rangers are paying the lions share of the salary for a player who hasn't even able to play baseball since the middle of the 2016 season. Yikes! Getting back to Gerrit Cole ... I have no doubt he'll be able to sign a deal with the largest annual salary in baseball. Even an unheard salary of $40 million per year seems possible ... if ... he's willing to sign for a very short term, say two years ... maybe even three. But I doubt he'll go that way. More likely he'll be looking for the security of the guaranteed money on a longer term contract, something like eight to ten years. Regardless, he will be the story this winter. Every team looking to be a contender next season will be interested. I think that's the narrative out there, especially for the teams that are looking to sign candidates. I agree to some extent with the players though, including those like Miguel Cabrera. Had they been paid what they were worth in their prime, then the deals would have been smarter. Had Cabrera been paid a contract like that starting out for his future potential, it would have been worth it to the Tigers then versus now when he is on the decline. Same for Pujols, etc. I think that's going to be the crux of the next contract negotiations. I think Cole will be the main free agent this winter too, even if he implodes the rest of the playoffs, which I doubt. I'd like to see Wainwright back another year too.
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Post by Retread on Oct 17, 2019 8:25:13 GMT -8
I don't think a fair and equitable mechanism to pay players 'what they're worth' during their time under team control could ever be created. Who gets to decide what a player is worth? What do they use as their measuring tools? What happens if a player or team disagrees?
You could let the market decide, but then you create unsolvable problems with competitive balance. Big market team like the Yankees, Dodgers and Red Sox would just outbid everyone else and have the best young players. Teams like the Rays would get the leftovers. That's not gonna work. Small market teams have a tough enough time with the system in its present state. Many of those teams can only stay competitive by selling off their best players who are in their arb years in return for top level prospects.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 17, 2019 12:35:38 GMT -8
I don't think a fair and equitable mechanism to pay players 'what they're worth' during their time under team control could ever be created. Who gets to decide what a player is worth? What do they use as their measuring tools? What happens if a player or team disagrees? You could let the market decide, but then you create unsolvable problems with competitive balance. Big market team like the Yankees, Dodgers and Red Sox would just outbid everyone else and have the best young players. Teams like the Rays would get the leftovers. That's not gonna work. Small market teams have a tough enough time with the system in its present state. Many of those teams can only stay competitive by selling off their best players who are in their arb years in return for top level prospects. I'm not saying it's perfect, but I also don't think it's fair to say that someone like Cabrera didn't earn his contract because he sucks now. I agree with his sentiments that he was worth the money over his career, especially at its best, but didn't get paid until the twilight years. If they were only paid on decline, no one would get the mega deals and baseball might be a sport losing even more fans. I think there are ways to fix the system, although like you, I'm not sure they will ever fix all the flaws. Too many variables, including the size of the market, the willingness of teams to spend, etc. I do think there should be a punishment or incentive where teams don't purposely tank though. It sucks watching half of the teams not even trying to be competitive. As for the postseason, I should probably root for the Nationals since it's their first trip, but I'm kind of excited to see the Astros take it all again.
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Post by Retread on Oct 18, 2019 8:23:43 GMT -8
As for the postseason, I should probably root for the Nationals since it's their first trip, but I'm kind of excited to see the Astros take it all again. The Astros might not be in the WS. It's possible the Yankees could win the next 3 games without a loss. Seems unlikely, but it could happen.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 18, 2019 10:42:49 GMT -8
As for the postseason, I should probably root for the Nationals since it's their first trip, but I'm kind of excited to see the Astros take it all again. The Astros might not be in the WS. It's possible the Yankees could win the next 3 games without a loss. Seems unlikely, but it could happen. It's possible, but I think Houston has the better rotation. If we based it on offense alone, I would agree with you. I'm thinking it's an Astros-Nationals World Series though at this point.
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Post by Retread on Oct 18, 2019 11:16:42 GMT -8
I only posted the 'possible' because a wise man once said: "It ain't over till it's over."
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Post by Syko Nachoman on Oct 18, 2019 12:47:02 GMT -8
As for the postseason, I should probably root for the Nationals since it's their first trip, but I'm kind of excited to see the Astros take it all again. The Astros might not be in the WS. It's possible the Yankees could win the next 3 games without a loss. Seems unlikely, but it could happen. Shhh, don't jinx it. If the Astros fail to advance, I'm blaming you.
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Post by Retread on Oct 19, 2019 8:13:17 GMT -8
The Astros might not be in the WS. It's possible the Yankees could win the next 3 games without a loss. Seems unlikely, but it could happen. Shhh, don't jinx it. If the Astros fail to advance, I'm blaming you. The Astros lost last night's game.
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Post by Syko Nachoman on Oct 19, 2019 20:26:13 GMT -8
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Post by Retread on Oct 20, 2019 10:09:54 GMT -8
No shortage of drama last night ...
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 20, 2019 13:54:27 GMT -8
I saw someone post online that they expected an Astros series win in 4 games or a Nationals in 7. I agree.
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