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Post by Derek‽ on Oct 11, 2019 12:37:40 GMT -8
I certainly raised an eyebrow at this, especially the “improve walkability” part. If vehicles are blocking pedestrian rights of way and/or pedestrians are being forced into dangerous circumstances, then the city needs to modify its traffic laws (if necessary) and enforce them to curb unwanted behavior (no pun intended). Are cars blocking sidewalks? Ticket time! Are lanes of traffic being blocked? Make it rain tickets, bacon bits! Businesses will either change their service practices, change their drive-thru layout, or eliminate their drive-thru completely when business drops off due to Smokey sitting out front to greet some Minivan McBandits.
I know the drive-thru hassle pain very well. There’s a DQ around here that has a setup that’s beyond inconvenient. Well, like clockwork, every hot summer day (or even mild winter day, because... people) the street is jammed with a line of cars trying to get into the drive-thru. And they sit for several minutes at a time, but hey, as long as they have signaled their intention to turn, it’s all perfectly legal to cause a traffic jam. That’s an utter crock that needs to be addressed, especially given the close proximity to emergency services. I’d like nothing more than to see these bums take their lazy asses to Wendy’s for a Frosty instead.
As for drive-thrus in general, I very rarely use them and could take them or leave them. They are quintessentially American, for better or worse. There’s no greater symbol for laziness than a person who won’t make the bare minimum effort of getting out of their SUV and walking thirty feet before clogging their arteries with a Whopper (add bacon, ofc).
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Post by daniel on Oct 11, 2019 16:17:37 GMT -8
Ban them? nah, not nationally or statewide at least. Let that be a local zoning decision.
I'm all for their decline, though. I generally hate them. They're the epitome of mid-20th Century American progress, and also a reflection of late 20th and early 21st Century decline. It's been almost twenty years (yikes), but working a drive-thru was the consistently worst job experience I've had. The expectations are awful. The customers are rude. It's the zenith of the me-me-me-now-now-now mentality.
Forget all the environmental impact. Drive thrus need to die because they make people into worse people. In my opinion, it makes people and society worse. Good riddance to them.
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Post by User 180565 is taking donation on Oct 11, 2019 17:47:24 GMT -8
I certainly raised an eyebrow at this, especially the “improve walkability” part. If vehicles are blocking pedestrian rights of way and/or pedestrians are being forced into dangerous circumstances, then the city needs to modify its traffic laws (if necessary) and enforce them to curb unwanted behavior (no pun intended). Are cars blocking sidewalks? Ticket time! Are lanes of traffic being blocked? Make it rain tickets, bacon bits! Businesses will either change their service practices, change their drive-thru layout, or eliminate their drive-thru completely when business drops off due to Smokey sitting out front to greet some Minivan McBandits. I know the drive-thru hassle pain very well. There’s a DQ around here that has a setup that’s beyond inconvenient. Well, like clockwork, every hot summer day (or even mild winter day, because... people) the street is jammed with a line of cars trying to get into the drive-thru. And they sit for several minutes at a time, but hey, as long as they have signaled their intention to turn, it’s all perfectly legal to cause a traffic jam. That’s an utter crock that needs to be addressed, especially given the close proximity to emergency services. I’d like nothing more than to see these bums take their lazy asses to Wendy’s for a Frosty instead. As for drive-thrus in general, I very rarely use them and could take them or leave them. They are quintessentially American, for better or worse. There’s no greater symbol for laziness than a person who won’t make the bare minimum effort of getting out of their SUV and walking thirty feet before clogging their arteries with a Whopper (add bacon, ofc). I know right? Thank god we have doordash and grubhub to help fight our lazy ways. 🤷♂️
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Post by Artemis on Oct 11, 2019 20:24:58 GMT -8
I'd be really curious to see what research or data they were looking at that showed definitively that banning drive-thrus would accomplish the goals they stated, and why that would work better than anything else. Drive-thrus can definitely be annoying, sure, but I'm skeptical that this is the easiest and best solution.
Everything else aside, I like them if only because I don't have to get out of my car. Sometimes there's a wait but it's still much more convenient than parking, pulling out the wheelchair, going inside, coming back out, putting it away, getting back in, then going. It's a hassle I'd just rather not deal with when doing something quick like getting food or picking up medication.
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Post by Capitan on Oct 14, 2019 3:03:15 GMT -8
Not American, but sounds like a good thing to me. Car culture needs to die. Yes comrade, because walking through 3,119,885 square miles (8,080,464 km) of the U.S. is much healthier and better for the enviroment. Sarcasm intended. There are other methods of getting about (have you heard of trains or buses?).
Cars are anti-social, space-inefficient, dangerous machines that cause a lot of death, both to people, animals, and the environment through pollution. While there will probably always be a need for some cars (disabled people, trips to remote locations where public transport wouldn't be cost-effective, etc.) we should be looking to re-structure our societies in ways that make car use less desirable, by building a lot more public transport, cycle infrastructure, building more high density housing, and requiring jobs to pay well enough and give enough free time off that the time saved (allegedly) by using a car is negligible. In this sense, banning more drive-throughs is not a bad thing - while I doubt that they're particularly dangerous, they help perpetuate the idea of the car as a matter of convenience - the fact that you can go shopping and not even get out of your car is a strange one, and redoubles the idea of the car as a private, insulated space away and apart from the outside world. What was ever wrong with even parking in a car park and walking inside somewhere to get food?
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Post by Nscalerr 🐺 on Oct 14, 2019 3:22:22 GMT -8
I agree with banning them. I have seen the ones they have where I live and a lot of people are overweight to obese, so my thoughts of having to actually park the car, (not always easy here in Canberra, Australia) and walking inside would be a lot better for people, as they would have to actually get some exercise, (and maybe have second thoughts of buying the macwhopper for lunch or dinner).
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Post by Bugme on Oct 14, 2019 3:48:18 GMT -8
Yes comrade, because walking through 3,119,885 square miles (8,080,464 km) of the U.S. is much healthier and better for the enviroment. Sarcasm intended. There are other methods of getting about (have you heard of trains or buses?).
Buses and trains are good in metro areas(5% of the U.S)... oh, and this is already available in metro areas. Trains are used for freight in the U.S. passenger trains are pretty much a distant memory. The infrastructure costs to update to high speed loooooooooooooooong distance rail that reaches all parts of the U.S. would be insane and is seriously unrealistic. So, open to ideas here like maybe molecular particle transporters? Lol
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Post by Capitan on Oct 14, 2019 5:09:52 GMT -8
There are other methods of getting about (have you heard of trains or buses?).
Buses and trains are good in metro areas(5% of the U.S)... oh, and this is already available in metro areas. Trains are used for freight in the U.S. passenger trains are pretty much a distant memory. The infrastructure costs to update to high speed loooooooooooooooong distance rail that reaches all parts of the U.S. would be insane and is seriously unrealistic. So, open to ideas here like maybe molecular particle transporters? Lol I don't disagree that much of the infrastructure in the US is lacking for public transport - that's why I suggested you build it. If you actually taxed your billionaires and corporations properly, and elected someone with even a small bit of political vision, you might find it's not that unrealistic a proposition.
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Post by Bugme on Oct 14, 2019 7:27:09 GMT -8
Buses and trains are good in metro areas(5% of the U.S)... oh, and this is already available in metro areas. Trains are used for freight in the U.S. passenger trains are pretty much a distant memory. The infrastructure costs to update to high speed loooooooooooooooong distance rail that reaches all parts of the U.S. would be insane and is seriously unrealistic. So, open to ideas here like maybe molecular particle transporters? Lol I don't disagree that much of the infrastructure in the US is lacking for public transport - that's why I suggested you build it. If you actually taxed your billionaires and corporations properly, and elected someone with even a small bit of political vision, you might find it's not that unrealistic a proposition. Wow, you really do not know politics in the U.S. do you? Stop watching liberal news groups. We have vision in the U.S. Believe it or not Trump is not the only politician we have and many of them are visionaries. How many Billionaires do you think we have? BTW, they do pay taxes already. And our corporations are already taxed heavily, so should we tax them out of business? That is pretty counterproductive. It amazes me those who think America has an unlimited amount of money, that the rich are exempt from taxes and that our politicians have not vision or brains. Yet here we are, the nation everyone runs to when they need help.
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Post by Retread on Oct 14, 2019 8:06:58 GMT -8
And our corporations are already taxed heavily, so should we tax them out of business? That is pretty counterproductive. High tax rates are one reason why some US companies have moved their corporate offices abroad to countries like Ireland where the tax rates are more reasonable.
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Post by 📚 Dianne 📚 on Oct 15, 2019 3:30:42 GMT -8
Buses and trains are good in metro areas(5% of the U.S)... oh, and this is already available in metro areas. Trains are used for freight in the U.S. passenger trains are pretty much a distant memory. The infrastructure costs to update to high speed loooooooooooooooong distance rail that reaches all parts of the U.S. would be insane and is seriously unrealistic. So, open to ideas here like maybe molecular particle transporters? Lol I don't disagree that much of the infrastructure in the US is lacking for public transport - that's why I suggested you build it. If you actually taxed your billionaires and corporations properly, and elected someone with even a small bit of political vision, you might find it's not that unrealistic a proposition. If I may be so bold as to ask - what county are you from?
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Post by Capitan on Oct 17, 2019 1:33:23 GMT -8
I don't disagree that much of the infrastructure in the US is lacking for public transport - that's why I suggested you build it. If you actually taxed your billionaires and corporations properly, and elected someone with even a small bit of political vision, you might find it's not that unrealistic a proposition. If I may be so bold as to ask - what county are you from? I'm from Scotland. I would level many of the same criticisms here (and at the UK as a whole!).
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Post by Bugme on Oct 17, 2019 22:18:09 GMT -8
If I may be so bold as to ask - what county are you from? I'm from Scotland. I would level many of the same criticisms here (and at the UK as a whole!). I see, I guess I assumed you were only criticizing the U.S. when you said: "...If you actually taxed your billionaires and corporations properly, and elected someone with even a small bit of political vision..." I guess I missed the part about Scotland and the U.K. in general.
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Post by 📚 Dianne 📚 on Oct 20, 2019 4:46:39 GMT -8
If I may be so bold as to ask - what county are you from? I'm from Scotland. I would level many of the same criticisms here (and at the UK as a whole!). So Scotland taxes everyone equally??? And they have perfect infrastructure, buses and trains etc? (Uhm...maybe in the city you do) not so much in the country which North America is mostly made of.
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Post by 📚 Dianne 📚 on Oct 20, 2019 4:49:58 GMT -8
Ban them? nah, not nationally or statewide at least. Let that be a local zoning decision.
I'm all for their decline, though. I generally hate them. They're the epitome of mid-20th Century American progress, and also a reflection of late 20th and early 21st Century decline. It's been almost twenty years (yikes), but working a drive-thru was the consistently worst job experience I've had. The expectations are awful. The customers are rude. It's the zenith of the me-me-me-now-now-now mentality.
Forget all the environmental impact. Drive thrus need to die because they make people into worse people. In my opinion, it makes people and society worse. Good riddance to them.
But you have to admit they are a boon for he handicapped. And yes I know what you mean about working in them. Anyone here ever heard of Foto-Mat? A drive in kiosk for dropping off your film (remember film?) and then returning to pick up your developed pics...ugh horrible job.
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