Banning Drive-Thru's?

[Capitan]

Oct 20, 2019 4:46:39 GMT -8 📚 Dianne 📚 said:

Oct 17, 2019 1:33:23 GMT -8 Capitan said:

I'm from Scotland. I would level many of the same criticisms here (and at the UK as a whole!).

So Scotland taxes everyone equally???  And they have perfect infrastructure, buses and trains etc?

No? I literally said I'd make the same criticisms of Scotland.

[📚 Dianne 📚]

Oct 20, 2019 4:51:04 GMT -8 Capitan said:

Oct 20, 2019 4:46:39 GMT -8 📚 Dianne 📚 said:

So Scotland taxes everyone equally???  And they have perfect infrastructure, buses and trains etc?

No? I literally said I'd make the same criticisms of Scotland.

Ok - my fault for typing emotionally instead of literally. I apologize.

But what does this have to do with banning drive-thru's. Why is the "car culture" so bad? and what did you mean by "Not American"?

 Not American, but sounds like a good thing to me. Car culture needs to die.

 

[Capitan]

Oct 20, 2019 5:07:35 GMT -8 📚 Dianne 📚 said:

Oct 20, 2019 4:51:04 GMT -8 Capitan said:

No? I literally said I'd make the same criticisms of Scotland.

Ok - my fault for typing emotionally instead of literally. I apologize.

But what does this have to do with banning drive-thru's. Why is the "car culture" so bad? and what did you mean by "Not American"?

 Not American, but sounds like a good thing to me. Car culture needs to die.

 

Oct 14, 2019 3:03:15 GMT -8 Capitan said:

Cars are anti-social, space-inefficient, dangerous machines that cause a lot of death, both to people, animals, and the environment through pollution. While there will probably always be a need for some cars (disabled people, trips to remote locations where public transport wouldn't be cost-effective, etc.) we should be looking to re-structure our societies in ways that make car use less desirable, by building a lot more public transport, cycle infrastructure, building more high density housing, and requiring jobs to pay well enough and give enough free time off that the time saved (allegedly) by using a car is negligible. In this sense, banning more drive-throughs is not a bad thing - while I doubt that they're particularly dangerous, they help perpetuate the idea of the car as a matter of convenience - the fact that you can go shopping and not even get out of your car is a strange one, and redoubles the idea of the car as a private, insulated space away and apart from the outside world. What was ever wrong with even parking in a car park and walking inside somewhere to get food?

By "not American", I only wanted to clarify that I don't live in America, so people could understand that my opinion came from a person who lives in a place without many drive-throughs. With regards to taxes, I was trying to explain how the infrastructure requirements for a world without cars could be paid for if billionaires were taxed at anything approximating a reasonable rate (say >70%, for a low end figure).

[📚 Dianne 📚]

I am not going to touch that above post at all.

[Bugme]

Oct 20, 2019 13:25:17 GMT -8 📚 Dianne 📚 said:

I am not going to touch that above post at all.

No, it's probably the best since you'd have to use words like radical socialism and give examples like Greece(45%) and Italy(43%) and as high as 70% for businesses as examples of the massive failures of this kind of tax foolishness which had led to economic turmoil. But, you are of course right, it is best not to say anything, since Capitan has it all figured out.

[Capitan]

Oct 21, 2019 9:18:54 GMT -8 Bugme said:

Oct 20, 2019 13:25:17 GMT -8 📚 Dianne 📚 said:

I am not going to touch that above post at all.

No, it's probably the best since you'd have to use words like radical socialism and give examples like Greece(45%) and Italy(43%) and as high as 70% for businesses as examples of the massive failures of this kind of tax foolishness which had led to economic turmoil. But, you are of course right, it is best not to say anything, since Capitan has it all figured out.

It's funny, because I wasn't actually arguing for socialism at all here, just higher taxes. Also, Greece and Italy are not examples of socialist countries.

Regardless, I am curious about anyone's take on what I actually said about cars not being good for people or our environment. I think that would be a much more interesting and productive discussion.

[📚 Dianne 📚]

Oct 22, 2019 2:11:00 GMT -8 Capitan said:

Oct 21, 2019 9:18:54 GMT -8 Bugme said:

No, it's probably the best since you'd have to use words like radical socialism and give examples like Greece(45%) and Italy(43%) and as high as 70% for businesses as examples of the massive failures of this kind of tax foolishness which had led to economic turmoil. But, you are of course right, it is best not to say anything, since Capitan has it all figured out.

It's funny, because I wasn't actually arguing for socialism at all here, just higher taxes. Also, Greece and Italy are not examples of socialist countries.

Regardless, I am curious about anyone's take on what I actually said about cars not being good for people or our environment. I think that would be a much more interesting and productive discussion.

Unfortunately, we cannot ignore the elephant that you dropped into the room.  However,I do agree with some of this, but not the part of being anti-social and  and polluting (maybe back in the dark-ages but I think cars are too fuel efficient now and with the uptick of environmentally friendly cars this argument is eventually going to be moot (even my
Cadillac crossover shuts its engine off when in idle even at traffic lights as do most newer cars): 

 cars are anti-social, space-inefficient, dangerous machines that cause a lot of death,  both to people, animals, and the environment through pollution.

You've never shopped on-line? It's pretty much the same thing.

the fact that you can go shopping and not even get out of your car is a strange one 

 and redoubles the idea of the car as a private, insulated space away and apart from the outside world. What was ever wrong with even parking in a car park and walking inside somewhere to get food?

There are just some days that it is MUCH better for people and the environment that I do NOT interact with others and I need to be in an "insulated space" so the drive-thru makes it easier for me to stay out of jail!