Discussion of the week (2)

[tiny-robot]

alialo said:

No, not highschool. I don't live in America, so I don't call it highschool.

Well, it may not be called "highschool" but its not the same as University.

You know I meant that

[tiny-robot]

enchant said:

Alan isn't mod for no reason....have you seen some of his work? I am 34 years old and I am humbled by his "talent" and "ability"......reguardless of his age. ....

Have I discussed why he is a mod here?



NO



so back off.... besides, that has nothing to do with what I was saying.

For example, Im a writer and I've been told Im a great one, but I should be honest here and I tell you that I havent read all of the great writers in the world. So I may be somewhat biased sometimes when I say I only like feminist literature.

I know Im missing a lot of good reading.


And remember, we arent discussing Alan's talent nor his age. I was arguing with him about what he thinks talent means or is.

Next time read what the discussion is about, please.

[eldritch1111]

For me the whole subject of graphics and talent is a contentious subject…..

I come very much form a fine art background, in which you have to have much more of a skill in the handling of real media, rather than the manipulation of virtual elements…..for me personally, I think the fine artist will always hold more talent than that of the CGI artist….

But I do think that the two styles can very much be married together to create something visually stunning and unique….

If more people took the time to make their own photographs or artwork to base their images on, this would start them on the road for being a more versatile artists through working with different forums of art and media, rather than limiting them selves to one….

I think there is a difference between acquired talent and natural talent, I know that goes with out saying….but for me natural talent is limitless...Where as acquired talent is finite...

my work…


Hand draw pen and ink…




After colouring in the computer…

[tiny-robot]

Wow!!

I totally agree with you eldritch!!!

I have always had talent to draw since Im 5 years old. I started studying painting at that young age and then I had to quit cuz it was too much. But then 2 years ago I decided to return to my painting classes and I also took an art class. Then last year I did this post degree course in New Media and got involved in video-art.

I think people who can tame a real brush are more talented than those that only use computer. Nowadays its very easy to draw stuff in computers since everything is almost done and served in a plate.

Oh, and I think your drawing is very beautiful, congrats!

[Enchant]

tiny said:

enchant said:

Alan isn't mod for no reason....have you seen some of his work? I am 34 years old and I am humbled by his "talent" and "ability"......reguardless of his age. ....

Have I discussed why he is a mod here?



NO



so back off.... besides, that has nothing to do with what I was saying.

For example, Im a writer and I've been told Im a great one, but I should be honest here and I tell you that I havent read all of the great writers in the world. So I may be somewhat biased sometimes when I say I only like feminist literature.

I know Im missing a lot of good reading.


And remember, we arent discussing Alan's talent nor his age. I was arguing with him about what he thinks talent means or is.

Next time read what the discussion is about, please.

I was merely discussing that he has some idea of what he is doing otherwise they would not have made him mod and has his own opinions to what talent is, if I had misunderstood the direction of the convo I apologize. however, in no way did I treat you with a lack of respect or insult you in any way, unlike you have shown me....your rudeness was uncalled for and very immature....and before you go on patronizing me or other people in this thread...you might want to consider that we all are in on this discussion and deserve some form of consideration..

Eldrich ...that is some very nice work....I would like to see more, if your willing ;D

EDIT: I just saw some more of your work in anouther thread...very cool...to me thats a talent. I say this because I like how you seem to see things...they are very edgy...I would love to see something you did or maybe will do that would be considered dark for you...

[¿J-pop?]

People have different ways of doing things. Some artists are fast, and their work still looks amazing. Others are slow, and take time into their work to make every detail count. And everyone have different ways of drawing, so for this discussion I would say it matters on the person. You can't judge artists as a whole

[Enchant]

darkryu2 said:

People have different ways of doing things. Some artists are fast, and their work still looks amazing. Others are slow, and take time into their work to make every detail count. And everyone have different ways of drawing, so for this discussion I would say it matters on the person. You can't judge artists as a whole

I agree...I think it depends on an individual....and how they feel towards the art....

[alialo]

tiny said:

alialo said:

No, not highschool. I don't live in America, so I don't call it highschool.

Well, it may not be called "highschool" but its not the same as University.

You know I meant that

I didn't claim it to be the same as university. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Are you trying to say that doing art in school doesn't mean anything? If so, I highly disagree. No matter what age you are, if you study art for five years and graphic design for two, you're going to be better than when you started.

It seems very ignorant of you to think otherwise.

Also, you can't compare digital art to fine art. They're completely different things, both with their pros and cons. To some canvas and brush is easy, to others it is hard. Just because you work on a computer doesn't mean everything is 'handed out on a plate' to you, it still requires a lot of talent.

For example: www.deviantart.com/view/19286476/

Try telling me that doesn't take effort.

Take a look around his gallery, (spyroteknik.deviantart.com/gallery/) he works from on a computer.

[Enchant]

I wanted to see Alan but the links won't work for me

[tiny-robot]

enchant said:

I was merely discussing that he has some idea of what he is doing otherwise they would not have made him mod and has his own opinions to what talent is, if I had misunderstood the direction of the convo I apologize. however, in no way did I treat you with a lack of respect or insult you in any way, unlike you have shown me....your rudeness was uncalled for and very immature....and before you go on patronizing me or other people in this thread...you might want to consider that we all are in on this discussion and deserve some form of consideration..

Ehem... I didn't insult you in any way, where do you see insults?

But if you wanna talk to disrespect then you have disrespected me by:

1) Butting in a conversation I was having with a different member that is not you.
2) Suggesting that I might not know as much as the Moderator boy.
3) Adding stuff that is not needed.

I never said "hey, Alan, how can you be a Mod here when you dont know what art is!!!"... Did I ever say anything of the sort? Nope. So I dont see why you should bring this subject to the conversation.

I was just arguing with his point of view on the subject of the thread, which is: what talent means to you (or something like that).

And my arguing with him didn't include my doubting of his own talent or my ignorance on why he is a mod here. Im not a dumb person and I can tell why he is a Mod here. Im not a newbie to Proboards and I know why people get picked as Mods. So, you dont need to remind me why he is a Mod.

If you take my words as an insult, then that is your problem. Im not trying to insult you, but it really bothers me when someone come across trying to explain me obvious things that I already know.

[tiny-robot]

alialo said:

I didn't claim it to be the same as university. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Are you trying to say that doing art in school doesn't mean anything? If so, I highly disagree. No matter what age you are, if you study art for five years and graphic design for two, you're going to be better than when you started.

It seems very ignorant of you to think otherwise.

Well, Im not an ignorant. I have a degree in Communications so I guess I have lived an extra portion of life more than you have. That's for sure....

Im not trying to make any points, but, I figure this... (I might be wrong though). High School or Secondary School or just School is not the same as University. That is common sense and not something I came up with.

In "highschool" you can take lots of courses and stuff but its never like College. Thats why College is called "superior education". You may have taken 5 years of art in highschool but you will need University in order to take your knowledge deeper than that. I really dont believe you can learn everything there is to know about Design (or whatever field of study) in highschool. Let's get real!!!!

Of course, you're gonna probably have a stronger foundation when you go to College, and that's where you're going to improve all of what you learned in highschool-

I dunno, I think that's how it works in the rest of world. Maybe in the UK is different.....

Also, you can't compare digital art to fine art. They're completely different things, both with their pros and cons. To some canvas and brush is easy, to others it is hard. Just because you work on a computer doesn't mean everything is 'handed out on a plate' to you, it still requires a lot of talent.

For example: www.deviantart.com/view/19286476/

Try telling me that doesn't take effort.

Take a look around his gallery, (spyroteknik.deviantart.com/gallery/) he works from on a computer.

That guy is certainly talented and Im sure he's also good at canvas, because that precision for details can only be learned when you draw in paper.

But not everybody is THAT talented and I still think software make some stuff much more easy. Come on... there are brushes that you can use to draw an eye with just one click...... ;D

That's what I was talking about....

[Enchant]

tiny said:

enchant said:

I was merely discussing that he has some idea of what he is doing otherwise they would not have made him mod and has his own opinions to what talent is, if I had misunderstood the direction of the convo I apologize. however, in no way did I treat you with a lack of respect or insult you in any way, unlike you have shown me....your rudeness was uncalled for and very immature....and before you go on patronizing me or other people in this thread...you might want to consider that we all are in on this discussion and deserve some form of consideration..

Ehem... I didn't insult you in any way, where do you see insults?

But if you wanna talk to disrespect then you have disrespected me by:

1) Butting in a conversation I was having with a different member that is not you.
2) Suggesting that I might not know as much as the Moderator boy.
3) Adding stuff that is not needed.

I never said "hey, Alan, how can you be a Mod here when you dont know what art is!!!"... Did I ever say anything of the sort? Nope. So I dont see why you should bring this subject to the conversation.

I was just arguing with his point of view on the subject of the thread, which is: what talent means to you (or something like that).

And my arguing with him didn't include my doubting of his own talent or my ignorance on why he is a mod here. Im not a dumb person and I can tell why he is a Mod here. Im not a newbie to Proboards and I know why people get picked as Mods. So, you dont need to remind me why he is a Mod.

If you take my words as an insult, then that is your problem. Im not trying to insult you, but it really bothers me when someone come across trying to explain me obvious things that I already know.

First off I do beleive I made the comment that if I had misinterpetted the convo, I apologized.

Second, this is a discussion the whole thread is involved in, if you have a personal conversation then it probably would be best to use a pm or im system.

Third, in no way did I imply that Alan knew more than you...you had been the one who challenged his schooling....I was merely stating he must know something to be a mod and ask if you had seen some of his work. I was remarking how I thought he had talent. I never even implied that he knew more than you or you were a "dumb person" on the contrary I up till the last two days thought you to be intelligent and insightful....

I did not insult you in any way , shape, or form...you however, have had an attitude with me with words such as NOin a sacrastic tone and Back off....then suggesting I am "butting in" into a convo that is meant for all in the thread.

I also never tried to explain anything except for my own actions, which I shouldn't have to do...

you are very defensive and rude and show a lack of respect for your fellow members ....not once did I show you a lack of respect or talk to you in the manner you have to me....and anyone can read this thread and see it. This is a "open discussion" which means anyone can be in on the discussion....So I ask you please stop being rude and show a bit of civility. And please loose the attitude with me, I never did or say anything to warrant it. Especially when I had already apologized if I had misconstrude a part of a convo.

moving on......I am curious to know an example of something that you would all think is talent...it doesn't have to be limited to just one...but an example of one would be cool.

[ryndell]

First of all age or schooling has nothing to do with artist talent or graphics design.Look at jack kirby .When he was 12 he was drawing some of the best comic book art in the world .Look at frank frazzetta never took art classes, and he is most likely one of the top 3 fantasy artists in the world.There is a such things as natural talent,and sometimes that can go far beyond schooling in any field.Look at einstein ... he failed the 3rd grade because he was bored.He was one of the greatest scientists in the world.He knew stuff that 99 percent of the college proffessors didnt have a clue about.

[eldritch1111]

In "highschool" you can take lots of courses and stuff but its never like College. Thats why College is called "superior education". You may have taken 5 years of art in highschool but you will need University in order to take your knowledge deeper than that. I really dont believe you can learn everything there is to know about Design (or whatever field of study) in highschool. Let's get real!!!!

Of course, you're gonna probably have a stronger foundation when you go to College, and that's where you're going to improve all of what you learned in highschool-

I dunno, I think that's how it works in the rest of world. Maybe in the UK is different.....

It’s very much works like that in the UK…Most people that go on the study art will go to collage and take a foundation coarse, this is a course that will encompass all aspects of art and media there in…After this (1 Year) coarse the person will have a better idea of the talent and their aptitude for which ever field of art and media they wish to pursue at universtity

I personally think that high school is very much a large foundation coarse….it's a coarse that makes you "A Jack of all trades and a master of none”….

Saying that I didn’t go to collage to study or University for that matter…I just have a natural flair for it (And I really don’t want to sound arrogant there)….You have to have a natural flair for it, if not every one would be a prize winning novelist or Nobel prize winning physicist ….Don’t you think?

Also, you can't compare digital art to fine art. They're completely different things, both with their pros and cons.

For cause the two are comparable, your making and image to be admired and looked at, it makes no difference how the image is made the end goal is the same…..I still hold that a fine artist has more talent than a digital artist….

Doesn’t it make you think what one of the old masters would have come up with in a modern age with access to modern media?

But that’s the point I wanted to make in my post…there really is a difference between acquired talent and natural talent….

[Enchant]

I agree there is a difference between an enate artistic ability. which would explain some artist at the age of 7 to have a natural talent to paint wonderful drawing, versus say a 20 year old who is learning the techniques.... I wonder if you took one and pitted it against the other....who would I consider to be more talented...