Monetary System 0.9.6 [Updated: 1st Dec, 2015]

[Former Member]

Feb 19, 2013 9:48:41 GMT -8 Peter said:

Feb 19, 2013 8:33:24 GMT -8 Solaris said:

Okay I disproved my own question about the sort code. -_-;

And to explain more; some of the people on my site have multiple accounts. When they go into the bank with their other accounts, the account number for each account is different but it shows a few transactions and the money in the account. When that account adds the funds, Deposit, it adds to the total but only on that account. Then switching to the next account, the same amount of money and transactions, shows up on another account and same thing happens.
The same thing happens when the account doesn't even belong to the same people. The account numbers are different but they end up with the money and transactions.

That's because it's a different account.  You could look at it as having an additional bank account.  The data is tied into the account, and can't be shared between multiple accounts.

While it could be done, it wouldn't be a very good idea, as it would open up the key data for everyone to change.  So for security (as in restricting it to the current account), it won't be changed.

A donation system will be implemented in the future, so you could donate your money to another account, and then place it in the bank so it's all in one place.  I could create a system that is based on the Donation system that is just renamed to "Transfer Funds", however this wouldn't be a direct transfer into another accounts bank, it would need a confirmation on the receiving end which would then get saved into the bank.

Hope that makes sense.

A donation system sounds great and dandy actually; and does make complete sense but i believe I didn't word what I was explaining exactly right so allow me to elaborate a little more. ^_^;; Different accounts, one grand total is there. when each fund is deposited it adds to that total within the account. In other words, all the funds are being merged together.

Example:
Person 1 goes to bank first time. there is xxx xxx.xx money value there plus some transactions.
that same person deposits xxx.xx money value and now has total.

Person 2 goes to bank first time there is that same first number value xxx xxx.xx and some transactions.
that person deposits xx.xx money value and now has a new original money total value.

Person 3 goes to bank first time there is that same first number value xxx xxx.xx and some transactions.
that person deposits xxxx.xx money value and now has a new original money total value.


I hope that makes it a little easier to follow.
Unless the Admin Account is unable to hold an account?

[Peter]

Feb 19, 2013 10:53:39 GMT -8 Solaris said:

Feb 19, 2013 9:48:41 GMT -8 Peter said:

That's because it's a different account.  You could look at it as having an additional bank account.  The data is tied into the account, and can't be shared between multiple accounts.

While it could be done, it wouldn't be a very good idea, as it would open up the key data for everyone to change.  So for security (as in restricting it to the current account), it won't be changed.

A donation system will be implemented in the future, so you could donate your money to another account, and then place it in the bank so it's all in one place.  I could create a system that is based on the Donation system that is just renamed to "Transfer Funds", however this wouldn't be a direct transfer into another accounts bank, it would need a confirmation on the receiving end which would then get saved into the bank.

Hope that makes sense.

A donation system sounds great and dandy actually; and does make complete sense but i believe I didn't word what I was explaining exactly right so allow me to elaborate a little more. ^_^;; Different accounts, one grand total is there. when each fund is deposited it adds to that total within the account. In other words, all the funds are being merged together.

Example:
Person 1 goes to bank first time. there is xxx xxx.xx money value there plus some transactions.
that same person deposits xxx.xx money value and now has total.

Person 2 goes to bank first time there is that same first number value xxx xxx.xx and some transactions.
that person deposits xx.xx money value and now has a new original money total value.

Person 3 goes to bank first time there is that same first number value xxx xxx.xx and some transactions.
that person deposits xxxx.xx money value and now has a new original money total value.


I hope that makes it a little easier to follow.
Unless the Admin Account is unable to hold an account?

Am kinda confused as to what you are saying.

Are you basically saying there is a bug that is showing money in the bank account when there shouldn't be?

[Stinky666]

Feb 19, 2013 10:53:19 GMT -8 Peter said:

Feb 19, 2013 10:35:00 GMT -8 Maiden said:

Could different member accounts have joint 'bank accounts'? (All on the same global login)

(I'm looking for an easy way for my members to move the bling they earn in their IC member accounts onto their OoC accounts, or even a single IC account if they want to buy something.)

While it technically is possible, it just wouldn't work too well.  If the user was logged into one of the accounts and wanted to do something with all their money, there would be no way to auto fetch the other accounts balance without the user manually transferring it.

You've already mentioned a future feature for donating, which would be a very good, easy and fast way. Donate is always a great thing to have, since then people don't have to keep bugging the staff haha.

[Former Member]

I seem to be on this random record of breaking things lately, lol, but um I don't know if I'd call it a bug since I don't really know what's happening myself.

All I know is off the admin account, I put 'xxx.xx' amount in the account. When going into a non-admin account and go back to the bank, and even other members with their multiple character accounts go into the bank, it shows all the transactions including the amount there. When they add their own amount its added to the total but only on that account. Each account adds the funds and it stays per account but they still have the initial transactions and grand total that was put in by the admin account.

Where as, each bank account per member account should be nil of transactions and 0 money value right? And from what I read throughout this thread is it's not possible to see other's transactions and the amounts since it's built like a bank where it's personal and private...hence my confusion and thinking I did something I shouldn't have done; and out of pure curiosity, what is the bank accounts monetary value max?

It's why I started to wonder and asked if the admin is unable to hold an account?

[Peter]

Feb 19, 2013 11:26:02 GMT -8 Solaris said:

I seem to be on this random record of breaking things lately, lol, but um I don't know if I'd call it a bug since I don't really know what's happening myself.

All I know is off the admin account, I put 'xxx.xx' amount in the account. When going into a non-admin account and go back to the bank, and even other members with their multiple character accounts go into the bank, it shows all the transactions including the amount there. When they add their own amount its added to the total but only on that account. Each account adds the funds and it stays per account but they still have the initial transactions and grand total that was put in by the admin account.

Where as, each bank account per member account should be nil of transactions and 0 money value right? And from what I read throughout this thread is it's not possible to see other's transactions and the amounts since it's built like a bank where it's personal and private...hence my confusion and thinking I did something I shouldn't have done; and out of pure curiosity, what is the bank accounts monetary value max?

It's why I started to wonder and asked if the admin is unable to hold an account?

lol, I'm still confused, sorry

Think I need step by step instructions as you do it, so I can try and duplicate the issue (if it is an issue). 

So like this...

- Logged in as admin
- Deposits 5000 into bank account
- Switch to another account
- Goto bank account
- Bank account should be 0, but there is a balance and transactions?

If I'm wrong, please correct me .

[Peter]

Feb 19, 2013 11:14:53 GMT -8 Stinky666 said:

Feb 19, 2013 10:53:19 GMT -8 Peter said:

While it technically is possible, it just wouldn't work too well.  If the user was logged into one of the accounts and wanted to do something with all their money, there would be no way to auto fetch the other accounts balance without the user manually transferring it.

You've already mentioned a future feature for donating, which would be a very good, easy and fast way. Donate is always a great thing to have, since then people don't have to keep bugging the staff haha.

Once I get the interest, and a few other minor things out of the way, Donation part of it will be worked on.  Not sure how it's going to work yet, as it will need to use the PM system.

[Stinky666]

Feb 19, 2013 11:44:40 GMT -8 Peter said:

Feb 19, 2013 11:14:53 GMT -8 Stinky666 said:

You've already mentioned a future feature for donating, which would be a very good, easy and fast way. Donate is always a great thing to have, since then people don't have to keep bugging the staff haha.

Once I get the interest, and a few other minor things out of the way, Donation part of it will be worked on.  Not sure how it's going to work yet, as it will need to use the PM system.

Just a "basic" donate button/link in the profile and/or mini profile would suffice nicely.
Maybe have an option to send a message with it or not..?

So for example (lets pretend you only have a donate in the mini profile):

1) I click "donate" in the mini profile.
2) A popup appears which has '3' options: Amount + Message + Reason
Amount: This of course is obvious. you type in your amount to donate. Very straight forward.
Message: This is a message that can not be edited. it would be a basic message such as "Name has donated XX amount to you"
Reason: This would be optional. The donator could send a reason as to why they donated. If left blank, no reason would show.

Maybe as an added bonus as well, if you do donate from a topic, so in the Mini profile, it will say "Name donated XX amount from the topic LINK" - or just topic name?
Stuff like that and reasoning can be helpful for if there is some form of abuse or blame game etc. If staff are involved, they can see what was done and where etc.


Just a thought.

[Peter]

Feb 19, 2013 11:55:16 GMT -8 Stinky666 said:

Feb 19, 2013 11:44:40 GMT -8 Peter said:

Once I get the interest, and a few other minor things out of the way, Donation part of it will be worked on.  Not sure how it's going to work yet, as it will need to use the PM system.

Just a "basic" donate button/link in the profile and/or mini profile would suffice nicely.
Maybe have an option to send a message with it or not..?

So for example (lets pretend you only have a donate in the mini profile):

1) I click "donate" in the mini profile.
2) A popup appears which has '3' options: Amount + Message + Reason
Amount: This of course is obvious. you type in your amount to donate. Very straight forward.
Message: This is a message that can not be edited. it would be a basic message such as "Name has donated XX amount to you"
Reason: This would be optional. The donator could send a reason as to why they donated. If left blank, no reason would show.

Maybe as an added bonus as well, if you do donate from a topic, so in the Mini profile, it will say "Name donated XX amount from the topic LINK" - or just topic name?
Stuff like that and reasoning can be helpful for if there is some form of abuse or blame game etc. If staff are involved, they can see what was done and where etc.


Just a thought.

Bit more complicated than that .  What I meant by not sure how it's going to work, I meant from a technical point of view.  The donation system will need to actually send a PM, so the system will be built over the send message page.  I have a rough idea of what will be implemented, i.e amount, message, links.

[Former Member]

Feb 19, 2013 11:41:58 GMT -8 Peter said:

Feb 19, 2013 11:26:02 GMT -8 Solaris said:

I seem to be on this random record of breaking things lately, lol, but um I don't know if I'd call it a bug since I don't really know what's happening myself.

All I know is off the admin account, I put 'xxx.xx' amount in the account. When going into a non-admin account and go back to the bank, and even other members with their multiple character accounts go into the bank, it shows all the transactions including the amount there. When they add their own amount its added to the total but only on that account. Each account adds the funds and it stays per account but they still have the initial transactions and grand total that was put in by the admin account.

Where as, each bank account per member account should be nil of transactions and 0 money value right? And from what I read throughout this thread is it's not possible to see other's transactions and the amounts since it's built like a bank where it's personal and private...hence my confusion and thinking I did something I shouldn't have done; and out of pure curiosity, what is the bank accounts monetary value max?

It's why I started to wonder and asked if the admin is unable to hold an account?

lol, I'm still confused, sorry

Think I need step by step instructions as you do it, so I can try and duplicate the issue (if it is an issue). 

So like this...

- Logged in as admin
- Deposits 5000 into bank account
- Switch to another account
- Goto bank account
- Bank account should be 0, but there is a balance and transactions?

If I'm wrong, please correct me .

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying; that's exactly what's happening. ^_^ you smaart. 

[Peter]

Feb 19, 2013 12:10:24 GMT -8 Solaris said:

Feb 19, 2013 11:41:58 GMT -8 Peter said:

lol, I'm still confused, sorry

Think I need step by step instructions as you do it, so I can try and duplicate the issue (if it is an issue). 

So like this...

- Logged in as admin
- Deposits 5000 into bank account
- Switch to another account
- Goto bank account
- Bank account should be 0, but there is a balance and transactions?

If I'm wrong, please correct me .

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying; that's exactly what's happening. ^_^ you smaart. 

Are you 100% sure it's happening like that, because looking at the function that handles updating the key only effects the current user, it should be impossible for that to happen.

You sure it's not page caching issue, because what you have said is something I can't replicate because a specific parameter of a function is nulled out, so only updates their own key.

[Former Member]

Feb 19, 2013 12:20:20 GMT -8 Peter said:

Feb 19, 2013 12:10:24 GMT -8 Solaris said:

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying; that's exactly what's happening. ^_^ you smaart. 

Are you 100% sure it's happening like that, because looking at the function that handles updating the key only effects the current user, it should be impossible for that to happen.

You sure it's not page caching issue, because what you have said is something I can't replicate because a specific parameter of a function is nulled out, so only updates their own key.

I deleted the plugin and the information contained. I deleted history and cache in safari and chrome; after redoing everything, I ended up with the same problem with the bank.

[Peter]

Feb 19, 2013 14:25:58 GMT -8 Solaris said:

Feb 19, 2013 12:20:20 GMT -8 Peter said:

Are you 100% sure it's happening like that, because looking at the function that handles updating the key only effects the current user, it should be impossible for that to happen.

You sure it's not page caching issue, because what you have said is something I can't replicate because a specific parameter of a function is nulled out, so only updates their own key.

I deleted the plugin and the information contained. I deleted history and cache in safari and chrome; after redoing everything, I ended up with the same problem with the bank.

This is extremely weird, as there should be no cross over happening.

What OS and browser versions are you using?

[Former Member]

Feb 19, 2013 14:28:48 GMT -8 Peter said:

Feb 19, 2013 14:25:58 GMT -8 Solaris said:

I deleted the plugin and the information contained. I deleted history and cache in safari and chrome; after redoing everything, I ended up with the same problem with the bank.

This is extremely weird, as there should be no cross over happening.

What OS and browser versions are you using?

OS: Windows 7. Safari: 5.1.7 (7534.57.2) Chrome: Version 24.0.1312.57 m

[kenderbard]

Is it possible now or in the future to arrange it so that certain boards you can earn extra money? For example, people who post in Board X would gain twice as much money as normal as anywhere else.

[Maiden]

Feb 19, 2013 10:53:19 GMT -8 Peter said:

Feb 19, 2013 10:35:00 GMT -8 Maiden said:

Could different member accounts have joint 'bank accounts'? (All on the same global login)

(I'm looking for an easy way for my members to move the bling they earn in their IC member accounts onto their OoC accounts, or even a single IC account if they want to buy something.)

While it technically is possible, it just wouldn't work too well.  If the user was logged into one of the accounts and wanted to do something with all their money, there would be no way to auto fetch the other accounts balance without the user manually transferring it.

I guess I mean as each account has a sort code and account number, could say Member A make an account, and then deposit their money into it, then Member B (who in my forums case would be on the same global account) also access the account (the one Member A created) and say deposit their money into it. Member C same deal. Then, if Member A wanted to by a restricted character from the shop they could take all the money out the account into their 'wallet'.


(And totally off the issue but a shop would be amazing, where items could be either freely purchasable or admin approvable/notifiable that someone has bought one)