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[Barkley]

You cannot edit the Visual editors padding.

Oops, now I understand the term padding.

Thanks all the same though.

[Barkley]

Mar 8, 2013 14:46:00 GMT -8 Tim Camara said:

Mar 8, 2013 9:40:59 GMT -8 Ryan Roos said:

You cannot edit the Visual editors padding.

Let me save you some time.

Yeah, just got onto that myself.  Doh !

Change what you can't accept, and accept what you can't change as they say.

Thanks Tim.

[Stinky666]

I've been using a PC for about 10 years, and I was taught to use backspace to delete, so I wont be changing my "habit" any time soon.
Up until your Editor backspace has worked perfectly with NO problems at all.

Also, padding-left adds no padding for me to the bbcode editor.
I searched for the whole line: .ui-wysiwyg .editors .bbcode-editor textarea { and it found it, I added, and nothing, sadly

[Barkley]

Mar 8, 2013 18:32:36 GMT -8 Stinky666 said:

I've been using a PC for about 10 years, and I was taught to use backspace to delete, so I wont be changing my "habit" any time soon.
Up until your Editor backspace has worked perfectly with NO problems at all.

Also, padding-left adds no padding for me to the bbcode editor.
I searched for the whole line: .ui-wysiwyg .editors .bbcode-editor textarea { and it found it, I added, and nothing, sadly

windows.microsoft.com/en-nz/windows-vista/using-your-keyboard

I was the same.
Backspace before the cursor, delete after the cursor seems to be the correct way, but I'm open to trying new things (remove that thought please).

[Barkley]

Mods, I need to point out that after several tests, the visual editor is not respecting the line breaks in a block of text.



I can take my time to write or copy and paste an article, and upon submission, the text is unordered regarding breaks, and looks like whoever wrote it is illiterate.



As much as I agree forum width can cause sentences to break differently, the width of a forum doesn't concern line breaks.



Please take my observation and attempts to rectify it in the good spirits they are intended.

[Ryan Roos]

The Visual Editor is not a paste board where you can simply copy anything into it and expect it to look proper. It is meant to be a WYSIWYG editor. For you to compose and edit your own text visually. A live preview.

If you are copying large blocks of code then try the BBCode editor (like v4 and the versions before that).

We had similar complaints at one point about copy and pasting from word into the Visual editor. That's not how it works. That's not how forums work. Up until now you have never been able to copy paste a formatted article into a thread and have it work automatically. We never claimed the Visual Editor was a tool to do this. If it happens to work, GREAT! If it doesn't work because your article is formatted a certain way from where ever you're taking it from then try the BBCode editor and apply your own styles. That's no worse than it's ever been. It's not asking more of you as a user. At worst it's the same as always. At best things will paste how you want them.

We can't just take your observation and fix it. The Visual Editor is one of the most advanced and complex parts of the entire forum. There is no standard for copy and paste formatting. Things you paste from one website are different from things on another website and those are different from all of the writing programs someone might have on their computer. More often then not, it isn't the Visual Editor that has the breaks in the wrong place, it's the article you're copying. So instead paste into BBCode where formatting won't be pasted.




As for the bit about using the Delete key I'll say this. It exists for a reason.

Also I wasn't suggesting you trade one for the other. You guys are so binary. You should be using the entire keyboard and it's keys and using them in different situations. It is very odd to ever need to click at the begging of a line for backspacing. It's the beginning of the line. There's nothing to backspace (except other lines, and it fast to click directly on those and use delete, it is, fact) and if it's the first line, there's nothing to backspace at all. But regardless of what keys you use or how, I also explained that our text area is no different from any other. You are misclicking. We can't design for clicking in the wrong place. Stinky666 This is very reminiscent of the request for labeling the delete dialog in Cats&Boards, which if I remember correctly I think was you. But I pointed out in that thread that to misclick a different x you would have to miss your intended target by 30px. The 13 pixels available are more than enough, they are more than many fields on most websites. And if the 8 pixels that the BBCode is bothers you, then you can expand it. Though that is far closer to the average for most websites and fields.

This is from W3 Schools. You could argue that they are a great example of standards.



On the left is their code editor (arguably like our BBCode editor). On the right is a standard HTML text area. Straight up. That is a text area in HTML.

So the BBCode editor gives you 1 extra pixel to click vs their editor. But we also let you edit it to anything you want.
And the standard HTML text area is smaller than our Visual Editor and Quick Reply by more than 30%.

So hopefully that helps make my point that there is nothing wrong with the area for clicking on anything and you can fix the small one if you disagree with me.

[Barkley]

Ryan, thanks for the imput.

Can I take a bit more advice mate?

An image seems to get right up against that left edge, with no gap at all for the pointer, should you want to add text above the image after the event, hence needing to move the image down a few lines.

Cheers for the W3 tip too. I hit that site a lot as I discover code.

[Barkley]

Also, I found this: support.proboards.com/thread/433970/plugin-quick-preview-wysiwyg-1

It seems to be a great compromise and solution.

Thanks to the coder.