Covid 19 Vaccine.

[Shady]

Jan 8, 2021 11:18:50 GMT -8 m2marsh said:

I'm really frustrated at the roll out of the vaccine here in the United States. And I'm a little perplexed about why different states are doing things so differently. Here in my state of Utah, they've given it to healthcare workers first. Now they are moving on to first responders and teachers. Yet those who actually would likely to die if they get infected are still not able to. In my opinion, people over 75 and people with underlying conditions should be eligible now.

It does seem odd to not focus on the most vulnerable first. Over 80s and care home residents have been prioritised over everyone here, with healthcare workers coming next. The idea is that if the over 80s are vaccinated, it’ll give our hospitals some relief and mean that we don’t have to be in a full lockdown for as long.

I have to say that although much of our government’s response has been too slow or too soft, the vaccine roll out seems to be going well. It’s almost surprising that they have a plan and it seems to be working so far.

[tvfans]

Jan 8, 2021 14:39:19 GMT -8 Shady said:

Jan 8, 2021 11:18:50 GMT -8 m2marsh said:

I'm really frustrated at the roll out of the vaccine here in the United States. And I'm a little perplexed about why different states are doing things so differently. Here in my state of Utah, they've given it to healthcare workers first. Now they are moving on to first responders and teachers. Yet those who actually would likely to die if they get infected are still not able to. In my opinion, people over 75 and people with underlying conditions should be eligible now.

It does seem odd to not focus on the most vulnerable first. Over 80s and care home residents have been prioritised over everyone here, with healthcare workers coming next. The idea is that if the over 80s are vaccinated, it’ll give our hospitals some relief and mean that we don’t have to be in a full lockdown for as long.

I have to say that although much of our government’s response has been too slow or too soft, the vaccine roll out seems to be going well. It’s almost surprising that they have a plan and it seems to be working so far.

I don't know what country you're from, but over here in Belgium they have the same plan.

First aged care residents.  Then healthcare workers and first responders.  Then people with risk factors.  The +65.  Then... I forgot and I'm the rest.  So June-August at the earliest

[m2marsh]

Jan 8, 2021 14:39:19 GMT -8 Shady said:

Jan 8, 2021 11:18:50 GMT -8 m2marsh said:

I'm really frustrated at the roll out of the vaccine here in the United States. And I'm a little perplexed about why different states are doing things so differently. Here in my state of Utah, they've given it to healthcare workers first. Now they are moving on to first responders and teachers. Yet those who actually would likely to die if they get infected are still not able to. In my opinion, people over 75 and people with underlying conditions should be eligible now.

It does seem odd to not focus on the most vulnerable first. Over 80s and care home residents have been prioritised over everyone here, with healthcare workers coming next. The idea is that if the over 80s are vaccinated, it’ll give our hospitals some relief and mean that we don’t have to be in a full lockdown for as long.

I have to say that although much of our government’s response has been too slow or too soft, the vaccine roll out seems to be going well. It’s almost surprising that they have a plan and it seems to be working so far.

Where are you? Great Britain? Canada?

I guess I should have complained here sooner. Minutes after I wrote that post here, our governor announced that people over 70 will be eligible starting January 18th. That takes care of my octogenarian mother which is what my biggest concern was. Who knows when I'll be able to get it, but knowing my mom will be safe was my biggest motivation.

[m2marsh]

Jan 8, 2021 14:46:47 GMT -8 tvfans said:

Jan 8, 2021 14:39:19 GMT -8 Shady said:

It does seem odd to not focus on the most vulnerable first. Over 80s and care home residents have been prioritised over everyone here, with healthcare workers coming next. The idea is that if the over 80s are vaccinated, it’ll give our hospitals some relief and mean that we don’t have to be in a full lockdown for as long.

I have to say that although much of our government’s response has been too slow or too soft, the vaccine roll out seems to be going well. It’s almost surprising that they have a plan and it seems to be working so far.

I don't know what country you're from, but over here in Belgium they have the same plan.

First aged care residents.  Then healthcare workers and first responders.  Then people with risk factors.  The +65.  Then... I forgot and I'm the rest.  So June-August at the earliest

That sounds pretty much the same as my state here in Utah, USA. I just disagree with that plan. Those young firefighters and paramedics and nurses and teachers aren't going to die if they get it. Not if they're healthy. I guess I shouldn't make that an absolute statement but their chances are really good of surviving. But those over 65... It's not a sure thing they'll survive. They're the ones that should get it first. However even then, I'm only 62 so I still will have to wait to get mine with all the other kids.

[daniel]

Jan 8, 2021 15:15:32 GMT -8 m2marsh said:

Those young firefighters and paramedics and nurses and teachers aren't going to die if they get it. Not if they're healthy. I guess I shouldn't make that an absolute statement but their chances are really good of surviving. But those over 65... It's not a sure thing they'll survive. They're the ones that should get it first. However even then, I'm only 62 so I still will have to wait to get mine with all the other kids.

There needs to be way less of this sentiment about younger folks. Plenty have had issues or died. I personally have ongoing issues from having it a couple months ago and I consider myself lucky.


Older folks and those with high risk factors should get a higher place in line, within their own designated time frame grouping, but teachers absolutely should be near the front of the line regardless of age.

I'll give an example- I have several teacher friends, mid to late 30s ages, most are healthy or maybe minor health factors. They face thirty kids per class, every day, with constant prolonged exposure. I also help countless older customers at my work where they're just out and about for no substantial reason. In this very real example is the older customer at higher risk? well, maybe when all else is equal. Except that they've largely brought that risk on themselves whereas a young teacher is just trying to teach kids and survive on a relatively low income.

[m2marsh]

Daniel, we'll just have to agree to disagree. My 82-year-old mother has been holed up in her house since March. She's not allowed to be around her friends and family and it is really affecting her mental health. She knows that if she is infected it will likely kill her.

You could say the same about anyone of any age who isn't being careful. I don't think we can moralize about who should and shouldn't get a vaccine due to their prior behavior. If so there are a whole lot of people that should be at the very end of the line. I just think the emphasis should be made on vaccinating people who are most likely to die. Of course there are some exceptions where younger people get it bad and become long haulers. But odds are if you're under 65 you are way less likely to have serious complications.

[Inkjet]

Jan 8, 2021 15:15:32 GMT -8 m2marsh said:

Jan 8, 2021 14:46:47 GMT -8 tvfans said:

I don't know what country you're from, but over here in Belgium they have the same plan.

First aged care residents.  Then healthcare workers and first responders.  Then people with risk factors.  The +65.  Then... I forgot and I'm the rest.  So June-August at the earliest

Those young firefighters and paramedics and nurses and teachers aren't going to die if they get it. Not if they're healthy. I guess I shouldn't make that an absolute statement but their chances are really good of surviving.

No, you definitely shouldn’t be making blanket to statements that young healthy people survive just fine.

I’m in my early 30s, right at the proper weight for my age and was otherwise healthy until I got the virus. Guess who’s developed a heart issue? Yeah, the “young guy who’s healthy.” I went about 3.5 months before the onset of my problems and now they’re here and we’re all wondering what the future looks like even though I “recovered.”

Young and healthy doesn’t mean long lasting and potentially deadly symptoms won’t arise down the road. 😉

[m2marsh]

That's why I didn't make a blanket statement. I also know a couple of young people who are long haulers. It happens. But the point I'm making, what you guys seem to be purposely overlooking, is that the ODDS are that younger people will be okay and older people will not. I also know an 83-year-old who got it, was very sick, but survived. Again, I'm talking about probability and statistics, not personal anecdotal evidence. I'm out... I don't want to argue this further. Just wanted to have a rational discussion but...

[daniel]

We're not overlooking that at all. Anybody who's paying attention knows that older groups are at high risk.

My position is merely that teachers should be considered higher in line than their general age group. That's happened in my area at least. Many of my teacher friends have gotten vaccinated and I'm perfectly okay with that. Their job is a community necessity and vital good for society and the nature of the job puts them at very high risk.

[Shady]

Jan 8, 2021 15:12:40 GMT -8 m2marsh said:

Jan 8, 2021 14:39:19 GMT -8 Shady said:

It does seem odd to not focus on the most vulnerable first. Over 80s and care home residents have been prioritised over everyone here, with healthcare workers coming next. The idea is that if the over 80s are vaccinated, it’ll give our hospitals some relief and mean that we don’t have to be in a full lockdown for as long.

I have to say that although much of our government’s response has been too slow or too soft, the vaccine roll out seems to be going well. It’s almost surprising that they have a plan and it seems to be working so far.

Where are you? Great Britain? Canada?

I guess I should have complained here sooner. Minutes after I wrote that post here, our governor announced that people over 70 will be eligible starting January 18th. That takes care of my octogenarian mother which is what my biggest concern was. Who knows when I'll be able to get it, but knowing my mom will be safe was my biggest motivation.

I’m in the UK. Sorry, shouldnt have assumed that everyone knew that.

Teachers aren’t on the priority list here, but I do agree that they should be.

[Retread]

Jan 8, 2021 17:05:02 GMT -8 daniel said:

We're not overlooking that at all. Anybody who's paying attention knows that older groups are at high risk.

My position is merely that teachers should be considered higher in line than their general age group. That's happened in my area at least. Many of my teacher friends have gotten vaccinated and I'm perfectly okay with that. Their job is a community necessity and vital good for society and the nature of the job puts them at very high risk.

I (mostly) disagree.

While education is a necessity in the long run, in the short-term ... essential services such as anyone employed anywhere in the food supply chain, fuel, transportation (including mass-transit) are of FAR greater importance. The reality is: If there was a widespread shortage of food, there would be panic on the streets.

Also, while it's less desirable, we've seen online methods replacing on-site learning. And as we speak, many of the teachers in Chicago have refused to teach in the classroom. Perhaps they themselves don't consider their job a "community necessity".

In my opinion, IF there is a group that should get earlier access to the vaccine before the general public, but after the healthcare workers, nursing home residents and staff, first responders, those with medical conditions that merit early vaccination, and the elderly in general, that group should be those employed in the food-supply chain, etc. Educators can get in line after them, perhaps with the rest of the population in general. JMO.

[tvfans]

I'm gonna throw my 5 cents in..
imo there's a difference between teachers who can do homeschooling and teachers who can't.
Eg vocational education
My son has 85% technical subject, you can't teach them at home.
He's in school halftime and he's getting further and futher behind (since March last year) and his future is on the line.
Teachers are trying to cram as much as possible in the schoolhours they do have, that more than half of his class is flunking.

I'm not saying teachers are more important and should get the vaccine first, but they shouldn't be last either. Maybe it should depend on what and where they teach.

[Teddybear8]

Jan 10, 2021 2:38:42 GMT -8 tvfans said:

I'm gonna throw my 5 cents in..
imo there's a difference between teachers who can do homeschooling and teachers who can't.
Eg vocational education
My son has 85% technical subject, you can't teach them at home.
He's in school halftime and he's getting further and futher behind (since March last year) and his future is on the line.
Teachers are trying to cram as much as possible in the schoolhours they do have, that more than half of his class is flunking.

I'm not saying teachers are more important and should get the vaccine first, but they shouldn't be last either. Maybe it should depend on what and where they teach.

That's a bit where I stand on the subject. I don't think they should be in the first group vaccinated but definitely not in the last group either. After all they are part of one of the essential job groups. I do think though that the most velnerable people should be vaccinated first

[tvfans]

Jan 10, 2021 2:42:23 GMT -8 Teddybear8 said:

Jan 10, 2021 2:38:42 GMT -8 tvfans said:

I'm gonna throw my 5 cents in..
imo there's a difference between teachers who can do homeschooling and teachers who can't.
Eg vocational education
My son has 85% technical subject, you can't teach them at home.
He's in school halftime and he's getting further and futher behind (since March last year) and his future is on the line.
Teachers are trying to cram as much as possible in the schoolhours they do have, that more than half of his class is flunking.

I'm not saying teachers are more important and should get the vaccine first, but they shouldn't be last either. Maybe it should depend on what and where they teach.

That's a bit where I stand on the subject. I don't think they should be in the first group vaccinated but definitely not in the last group either. After all they are part of one of the essential job groups. I do think though that the most velnerable people should be vaccinated first

I'm with you, together with healthcare workers cause they're the ones taking care of everyone.

Over here it's elderly first and then healthcare workers.  Imo they should both get vaccinated first.

[Teddybear8]

Jan 10, 2021 2:45:01 GMT -8 tvfans said:

Jan 10, 2021 2:42:23 GMT -8 Teddybear8 said:

That's a bit where I stand on the subject. I don't think they should be in the first group vaccinated but definitely not in the last group either. After all they are part of one of the essential job groups. I do think though that the most velnerable people should be vaccinated first

I'm with you, together with healthcare workers cause they're the ones taking care of everyone.

Over here it's elderly first and then healthcare workers.  Imo they should both get vaccinated first.

Interesting how it differs in every country. Here in Holland they are vaccinating the health care workers first and then the oldest vulnerable people, agree with you they should both be first