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Post by stevegardner on May 11, 2008 12:52:52 GMT -8
Faux News is horribly biased towards the Republican agenda. Having said that, I'm sure other channels are similarly biased towards the Democratic one. Here's a neat example of Faux's bias at work. This is a screen capture from sometime before December 2006. I don't for one second think the content in the ticker at the bottom is a coincidence.
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Post by Matthew Haynes [is back - ish] on May 11, 2008 12:56:54 GMT -8
Faux News is horribly biased towards the Republican agenda. Having said that, I'm sure other channels are similarly biased towards the Democratic one. Here's a neat example of Faux's bias at work. This is a screen capture from sometime before December 2006. I don't for one second think the content in the ticker at the bottom is a coincidence. Thats quite shocking And why bring up about him smoking? Thats mad..
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Post by Morgey on May 11, 2008 13:09:01 GMT -8
Faux News is horribly biased towards the Republican agenda. Having said that, I'm sure other channels are similarly biased towards the Democratic one. Here's a neat example of Faux's bias at work. This is a screen capture from sometime before December 2006. I don't for one second think the content in the ticker at the bottom is a coincidence. *Snicker* That's just ridiculous. Disgusting though.
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Post by Zilla on May 11, 2008 13:12:09 GMT -8
As much as I dislike Fox News, I doubt it was intended to be a subliminal message. Plus, Fox local affiliates =/= Fox News.
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Post by Derek‽ on May 11, 2008 13:12:45 GMT -8
I think some people here (and apparently elsewhere) are making a big fuss over nothing. The animation shown indicates that more imagery should've been revealed, and, in other instances, it probably was allowed to play its full run. However, since it was just an intro, the animation was cut short. I won't contest the bias favoring Republicans, but I don't see this as some kind of intentional subliminal agenda.
I'd like to also point out the hypocrasy of it all. I remember PB running pro-Obama ads for a bit not too terribly long ago, which caused a big fuss. To the best of my recollection, the end ruling was pretty much "too bad, so sad" and it was dismissed as no big deal. That was in-your-face advertising. McCain's face shows up in a Fox News animation for a fraction of a second, and it's a big deal? Why? Oh, right, because he's not the candidate you want. Too bad, so sad.
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Post by stevegardner on May 11, 2008 13:14:57 GMT -8
As much as I dislike Fox News, I doubt it was intended to be a subliminal message. Out of interest, how would you set about determining whether a message was subliminal or not? Bear in mind, that ticker was moving on the screen at the time. In other words, Obama's picture was only associated with the words 'drug trafficker' for a split second.
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Post by stevegardner on May 11, 2008 13:25:07 GMT -8
Just for a laugh, here's the studio interview that accompanied that image. If you can't be bothered to read it all, just read the bold parts. They're truly shocking, particularly this extraordinary comment: I think Americans will be happy that his [smoking] doesn't lead him to pages or to choking his mistress. Choking his mistress?!?!? Seriously, wtf? Source: Media MattersGIBSON: Meantime, time for "Big Politics." Sure he's young, sure he's charismatic, but what do we really know about Barack Obama? And what does he really stand for? Obama is the kind of presidential hopeful who appeals to the masses. He portrays himself as a political moderate, but he's much more liberal than he says he is. And his team works overtime trying to hide Obama's dirty little secret. He is -- get this -- a cigarette smoker. The point is: What else do we not know about Barack Obama? America seems to love him now, but will we still love him tomorrow? With me now, senior fellow with the Manhattan Institute John McWhorter and Malia Lazu with the Young Democrats of America. John, this guy -- what else do we not know about Barack Obama?
McWHORTER: Well, I don't think that we really know a whole lot about Barack Obama at all that you would really call distinctive. He's said some very nice things and he says them well. But if you ask me, the reason that we're looking at somebody who is such an inexperienced senator, who has said some very pleasant but not especially sterling or innovative things, the reason that he's considered such a big deal is simply because he's black. That doesn't mean that he's not smart. That doesn't mean that he isn't good. But if you took away the color of his skin, nobody right now would be paying him any attention. And that's just to say that we don't know yet and we don't know him just because he has brown skin and a touching story.
GIBSON: Malia, if he were exactly the same person, but he were white, would we -- same resumé, same bio, same, you know, excellent speaking manner, but he wasn't black -- would he be a presidential hopeful at this point?
LAZU: I'm not sure. I think that race plays a role into this. But I think what Obama does more than his amazing speaking ability is he's able to connect with voters. And it's that hope that he brings out in American citizens that we are all hungry for, that people get excited about Senator Obama. And yes, he may have a habit that millions of Americans want to -- want to quit. We all know people who want to quit smoking. But the real question here is that America is ready for a change, and are traditional politicians going to be able to answer that call?
GIBSON: Malia, I'm glad you brought it up. Let me put something up on the screen, "Obama Behind Closed Doors." You never see him smoke. You never see a pack of cigarettes in his pocket. The question is, would you vote for a smoker as president? John, is that kind of -- is that an impediment?
McWHORTER: I really don't think it is because it depends on the person. And Obama is seen as very, very cool. I think a lot of people find him sexy. And I think even in today's America, there's a sense that there's something vaguely sexy about cigarettes; you've got fire in your hand. So to tell you the truth, I think it will only help.
LAZU: I think Americans -- I think Americans will be happy that his vice doesn't lead him to pages or to choking his mistress. I mean, all humans have vice, and he has one. But what Americans want is they want a change and they want that hope that Obama sparks in people.
GIBSON: You know, the only problem I have with this, John, is if it were that easy a barrier for him to overcome, why is he so determined to make sure nobody ever sees him with a cigarette in his hand?
McWHORTER: Well, to tell you the truth, knowing that he does it and keeping it secret is even better. To actually see the so-called filthy habit would be different. But it's that little thing that he kind of does behind closed doors.
GIBSON: Let me put this up on the screen, Obama's formula for success. He has a moderate image, but he has one of the, if not the, most liberal voting record in the Senate. Malia, is that part of the secret of his success, is actually obscuring his liberal voting record?
LAZU: I don't think that Obama has obscured his liberal voting record. I think Obama has put out two books that lay out who he is and what he stands for. He has been very public about who he is and what he stands for, and the American people like that. And I think that we need to understand that Americans want to hear true talk, and that's what Obama does.
GIBSON: How liberal is he, John?
McWHORTER: Well, frankly, he is a standard-issue leftist that you would expect of somebody with his particular experience, and he doesn't exactly hide it. But it's true, and somehow we like to think that he represents some sort of hope of bringing us all together anyway. And that means that somehow he's going to bring together the Michael Moores and the Grover Norquists and everybody in between. And, again, I think the only reason that looks plausible is because we see something about his being brown that creates that. It's almost like he's mammy. And it kind of worries me.
GIBSON: John McWhorter and Malia Lazu, thanks very much. Appreciate it, both of you.
LAZU: Thank you.
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Post by daniel on May 11, 2008 13:27:28 GMT -8
I think some people here (and apparently elsewhere) are making a big fuss over nothing. The animation shown indicates that more imagery should've been revealed, and, in other instances, it probably was allowed to play its full run. However, since it was just an intro, the animation was cut short. I won't contest the bias favoring Republicans, but I don't see this as some kind of intentional subliminal agenda. I'd like to also point out the hypocrasy of it all. I remember PB running pro-Obama ads for a bit not too terribly long ago, which caused a big fuss. To the best of my recollection, the end ruling was pretty much "too bad, so sad" and it was dismissed as no big deal. That was in-your-face advertising. McCain's face shows up in a Fox News animation for a fraction of a second, and it's a big deal? Why? Oh, right, because he's not the candidate you want. Too bad, so sad. The difference here is that Fox News is a news media outlet, supposedly a "Fair and Balanced" one at that. It's perfectly acceptable to hold a political bias, in my opinion, as long as you're honest about it. Other media outlets occasionally have similar types of things, but Fox has been the worst over the last few years, despite their "fair and balanced" motto.
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Post by ~»tobi«~ on May 11, 2008 13:30:22 GMT -8
I wonder how much fox was paid for that?
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Post by Zilla on May 11, 2008 13:42:33 GMT -8
As much as I dislike Fox News, I doubt it was intended to be a subliminal message. Out of interest, how would you set about determining whether a message was subliminal or not? There's no way to be sure. It could be a screw-up of the video guys or it could be an actual subliminal message. But as the video stands, it doesn't look like it was done with the intention of supporting McCain.
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Post by Derek‽ on May 11, 2008 13:46:13 GMT -8
I think some people here (and apparently elsewhere) are making a big fuss over nothing. The animation shown indicates that more imagery should've been revealed, and, in other instances, it probably was allowed to play its full run. However, since it was just an intro, the animation was cut short. I won't contest the bias favoring Republicans, but I don't see this as some kind of intentional subliminal agenda. I'd like to also point out the hypocrasy of it all. I remember PB running pro-Obama ads for a bit not too terribly long ago, which caused a big fuss. To the best of my recollection, the end ruling was pretty much "too bad, so sad" and it was dismissed as no big deal. That was in-your-face advertising. McCain's face shows up in a Fox News animation for a fraction of a second, and it's a big deal? Why? Oh, right, because he's not the candidate you want. Too bad, so sad. The difference here is that Fox News is a news media outlet, supposedly a "Fair and Balanced" one at that. It's perfectly acceptable to hold a political bias, in my opinion, as long as you're honest about it. Other media outlets occasionally have similar types of things, but Fox has been the worst over the last few years, despite their "fair and balanced" motto. Being a news media outlet means nothing, and their motto means even less. Everyone knows they favor Republicans. A news outlet--though ideal--does not have to be neutral, and showing McCain's face is not scandalous. "Fair and Balanced" is like calling McDonald's dollar menu healthy. As I've said, it's pretty obvious to me that the animation was not an intentional subliminal message. Would it have gathered this much attention of Obama's face was in there? Probably not. After all, people don't seem to have a problem when the candidate they support gets recognition and attention.
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Post by stevegardner on May 11, 2008 13:51:37 GMT -8
But as the video stands, it doesn't look like it was done with the intention of supporting McCain. Well, given it was aired in Jan 07 (not late 06 as I stated earlier), it's clearly not aimed at supporting McCain. It is a clear-cut hit piece on Obama though. I mean, aside from the graphic, did you read the transcript? It's utterly preposterous, in my view, for a commentator on a major network such as Faux News to suggest that " Americans will be happy that his [smoking] doesn't lead him to pages or to choking his mistress." I don't know what your political bias is - and frankly, it doesn't matter - but I'd like to think you'd agree this is crass.
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Post by Zilla on May 11, 2008 13:58:05 GMT -8
But as the video stands, it doesn't look like it was done with the intention of supporting McCain. Well, given it was aired in Jan 07 (not late 06 as I stated earlier), it's clearly not aimed at supporting McCain. It is a clear-cut hit piece on Obama though. I mean, aside from the graphic, did you read the transcript? It's utterly preposterous, in my view, for a commentator on a major network such as Faux News to suggest that " Americans will be happy that his [smoking] doesn't lead him to pages or to choking his mistress." I don't know what your political bias is - and frankly, it doesn't matter - but I'd like to think you'd agree this is crass. I was talking about the video in the first post? And yes; what you've posted earlier (smoking + Obama) is absurd. But sadly, for Fox News, it's typical behavior.
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Post by stevegardner on May 11, 2008 14:01:46 GMT -8
I was talking about the video in the first post? So you were - sorry.
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Post by Joy on May 11, 2008 14:02:05 GMT -8
Thank you Virus for stating what it is that is in this video. I can not be the only one here who has dial up. We can not watch the videos that are posted.
It would be nice, when a link for one is posted, if the poster would at least give an idea what is going on. I could tell some by the comments, but fully got the point from the comments from Virus.
Not seeing the video myself, I will not comment on its content.
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