Arizona Law Gets Blocked

[kapt]

A federal judge dealt a serious rebuke to Arizona's immigration law on Wednesday when she put most of the crackdown on hold just hours before it was to take effect

- Story -

This is a step in the wrong direction I think. Since when is illegal not illegal? Discuss

[clonetroopermatt]

I am glad. That law would have resulted in Racial Profiling. There are other ways to deal with the immigration problem than to be racist towards Mexicans.

[kapt]

How is it racist that they may have to prove they are who they are and that they have the right to be here? I have to prove I am who I am every time I write a check, use a credit card, apply for credit, get a job, you get the point

[clonetroopermatt]

It's racist because it is focusing on the Mexicans.

[kapt]

It's focusing on illegal immigrants period. It just happens that they get more from Mexico than anywhere else. And if it is deemed racist by some so be it. The point is that they are here illegally and American citizens are condoning it. That's the problem

[clonetroopermatt]

You can keep saying it is focused on illegal immigrants, but the truth is Arizona is one of the states that has a serious problem with Mexicans coming in illegally.

It's racial profiling, P-E-R-I-O-D.

Again, there are other ways to deal with this problem, but racial profiling is NOT that way.

[• Ambrose •]

Everyone has a right to be where they are. The world's for everyone, it's not for people to get greedy about it. =)

I know some Mexicans that were born in Mexico but are currently living here, and I don't have a problem with them. It's the racists that blame them "for taking their jobs and their homes" that I have a problem with. =/ Some of these people aren't even looking for jobs, or don't want to have jobs, so they could just shut up and deal with it whether they like it or not. =/ To me, everyone's the same on the inside, their colors doesn't make them any different!

[daniel]

The Constitution provides that it is the federal government's job to handle immigration concerns. This is because we are a nation and such things shouldn't be a mix of different regulations from state to state. This is also because we don't want individual states bickering with each other and disallowing domestic migration.

You may counter, "but the fed isn't doing it's job!" Well, it really is. link

The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office.

[kapt]

Jul 28, 2010 11:36:14 GMT -8 daniel said:

The Constitution provides that it is the federal government's job to handle immigration concerns. This is because we are a nation and such things should be a mix of different regulations from state to state. This is also because we don't want individual states bickering with each other and disallowing domestic migration.

You may counter, "but the fed isn't doing it's job!" Well, it really is. link

The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office.

Since when does the Constitution support people from other countries? Call it racial profiling all you want I don't agree

I'm a legal American citizen and I must show my ID when:
1. Pulled over by the police.
2. Making purchases on my department store credit card.
3. When I show up for a doctor's appointment.
4. When filling out a credit card or loan application.
5. When applying for or renewing a driver's license or passport.
6. When applying for any kind of insurance.
7. When filling out college applications.
8. When donating blood.
9. When obtaining certain prescription drugs.
10. When making some debit purchases, especially if I'm out of state.
11. When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel.

Just sayin'

[MarvinRules]

Personally I think that Arizona is overstepping its bounds. Illegal Immigration is a federal matter.

If states had the authority to manage immigration, allow immigrants to become citizens, and such then I would not have any problem with states deporting illegal immigrants.

However states do not have such powers. So I think it was overzealous of Arizona to pass such a law. What AZ should have done instead is put pressure on the federal government to do something. OR they could investigate illegals themselves, then hand that information over to the federal government and let them handle it.

[Storm]

Jul 28, 2010 11:34:55 GMT -8 • Ambrose • said:

Everyone has a right to be where they are. The world's for everyone, it's not for people to get greedy about it. =)

I know some Mexicans that were born in Mexico but are currently living here, and I don't have a problem with them. It's the racists that blame them "for taking their jobs and their homes" that I have a problem with. =/ Some of these people aren't even looking for jobs, or don't want to have jobs, so they could just shut up and deal with it whether they like it or not. =/ To me, everyone's the same on the inside, their colors doesn't make them any different!

Let's ask this question. How do you feel about your tax dollars going to pay for their health care while they are still illegal and it takes years, and I mean literally years for a legal citizen to get health care? For example, I had to sue the gov in federal court to even get medicare for my health costs for very legitimate physical conditions, and it took nearly three years to get disability.

Yet when someone comes over the border, they a first served and those here in our own country are simply shoved aside as if we don't matter to a hell of beans?

If they want health care and other entitlements, get legal, don't just come here and get things and then go back as most do. That's my two cents on it.

[daniel]

Jul 28, 2010 11:41:41 GMT -8 kapt said:

Since when does the Constitution support people from other countries? Call it racial profiling all you want I don't agree

I'm a legal American citizen and I must show my ID when:
1. Pulled over by the police.

Because when Kapt's driving his truck in Arizona he doesn't have to worry about about being pulled over for being suspected of being white.

This law will cause police to make suspects out of anyone that they think may be committing immigration violations. That's simply not the way our law works. We are not held up or arrested by the police to prove our innocence. Rather, the burden is upon the state to have reasonable suspicion before arrest and evidence beyond a reasonable doubt before conviction.

Being brown skinned is not sufficient reasonable suspicion. Since it is not then the law either has zero point or it's a wink-wink and a nod from a semi-racist legislature to have the police bully anyone not white.

[MarvinRules]

Jul 28, 2010 11:53:55 GMT -8 Storm said:

Jul 28, 2010 11:34:55 GMT -8 • Ambrose • said:

Everyone has a right to be where they are. The world's for everyone, it's not for people to get greedy about it. =)

I know some Mexicans that were born in Mexico but are currently living here, and I don't have a problem with them. It's the racists that blame them "for taking their jobs and their homes" that I have a problem with. =/ Some of these people aren't even looking for jobs, or don't want to have jobs, so they could just shut up and deal with it whether they like it or not. =/ To me, everyone's the same on the inside, their colors doesn't make them any different!

Let's ask this question. How do you feel about your tax dollars going to pay for their health care while they are still illegal and it takes years, and I mean literally years for a legal citizen to get health care? For example, I had to sue the gov in federal court to even get medicare for my health costs for very legitimate physical conditions, and it took nearly three years to get disability.

Yet when someone comes over the border, they a first served and those here in our own country are simply shoved aside as if we don't matter to a hell of beans?

If they want health care and other entitlements, get legal, don't just come here and get things and then go back as most do. That's my two cents on it.

Illegal immigrants can't get welfare, medicade, or any government provided benifits. They have to become legal before they can claim any government benifits.
blogs.chron.com/immigration/archives/2008/01/post_80.html

Plus most illegals pay taxes as well.
www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm
www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1424.html
They pay FICA and such (Even if they are using a fake SS #) as well as income taxes.

So if all the illegals were to be instantly exiled from the country, the federal government would feel the pinch.

[Storm]

Jul 28, 2010 12:24:08 GMT -8 MarvinRules said:

Jul 28, 2010 11:53:55 GMT -8 Storm said:

Let's ask this question. How do you feel about your tax dollars going to pay for their health care while they are still illegal and it takes years, and I mean literally years for a legal citizen to get health care? For example, I had to sue the gov in federal court to even get medicare for my health costs for very legitimate physical conditions, and it took nearly three years to get disability.

Yet when someone comes over the border, they a first served and those here in our own country are simply shoved aside as if we don't matter to a hell of beans?

If they want health care and other entitlements, get legal, don't just come here and get things and then go back as most do. That's my two cents on it.

Illegal immigrants can't get welfare, medicade, or any government provided benifits. They have to become legal before they can claim any government benifits.
blogs.chron.com/immigration/archives/2008/01/post_80.html

Plus most illegals pay taxes as well.
www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm
www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1424.html
They pay FICA and such (Even if they are using a fake SS #) as well as income taxes.

So if all the illegals were to be instantly exiled from the country, the federal government would feel the pinch.

I realize that, but let's be honest here Marvin, you and I both know they still do. The law requires it:

www.cnsnews.com/news/article/51751

"But when asked about illegal immigrants who go to public hospitals for care, Pelosi told CNN’s State of the Nation on Sunday the law requires that they be treated."

That's how they still get benefits. A person can't be turned down at any hospital regardless.


Edited to add: And how much of that goes unpaid as well? They come here, get treated and then go back over the border. Kinda hard to track someone that way to get a bill paid. This is why our own citizens have a time and a half to even get care. Because of all the unpaid bills lefts behind from people who don't even provide real names, etc. For fear of being deported.

[Derek‽]

Jul 28, 2010 11:33:01 GMT -8 @clonetroopermatt said:

You can keep saying it is focused on illegal immigrants, but the truth is Arizona is one of the states that has a serious problem with Mexicans coming in illegally.

What exactly is your concern now? You've just admitted that Arizona has a problem with illegal immigrants. Yes, they're from Mexico, no one is denying that. In fact, it's common knowledge that the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are Latino. Sure, it's going to come off as racial profiling, but that's because that's the race with which the problem persists. Let's just call it what it is. If a lot of blue-eyed blondes plagued the state, Mexicans wouldn't be targeted.

It's not an ideal plan, but at least Arizona is taking the initiative to fix their problem. And it is their problem. Immigration may be a federal matter, but things haven't worked out too well with them in charge. At least Arizona is showing they're willing to escalate matters to find a resolution.