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Post by Shady on Oct 16, 2017 10:41:52 GMT -8
I am seeing no proof to back all these accusations. Okay -I would like to know this -just why does everyone in America want to emulate other countries healthcare systems. From speaking to my friends in other countries, I am lead to believe that the countries have nearly excruciating taxes to afford national health care among other things. Please explain why we (The USA) should emulate these other countries? I won't comment on Obamacare or Trumpcare because I don't know enough about US insurance/healthcare to back up my opinions, but I can comment on the National Health Service in the UK. You'll find hardly anyone who would complain about paying taxes for the NHS, and many would even pay more if they knew it was going to healthcare. The NHS is flawed (and I know this more than most because I work for it) but ask almost any Brit and they absolutely believe in it as the right way to provide healthcare. Again, not saying you should want to emulate us, but that's how we feel about it over here.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Oct 16, 2017 11:31:42 GMT -8
I am seeing no proof to back all these accusations. Okay -I would like to know this -just why does everyone in America want to emulate other countries healthcare systems. From speaking to my friends in other countries, I am lead to believe that the countries have nearly excruciating taxes to afford national health care among other things. Please explain why we (The USA) should emulate these other countries? Because most of us believe no one should be eliminated from having healthcare. Which is exactly what Trump promised. Healthcare for EVERYONE with a lower price than the ACA. Now, if he only he had kept his word.
He also promised to make pharmaceutical companies lower their prices. Which again he backed away from.
Our healthcare is good . . . only if you have the bucks to pay for it. And that was the reason the ACA was necessary. Folks love blaming the ACA for higher premiums, but premiums went up annually before the ACA.
And if anyone thinks what Trump just did will lower premiums, they will find out the ugly truth soon enough. If they want their current plans, the cost will rise. If they want a lower premium, they'll get lower services.
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Post by Former Member on Oct 16, 2017 12:51:38 GMT -8
I am seeing no proof to back all these accusations. Okay -I would like to know this -just why does everyone in America want to emulate other countries healthcare systems. From speaking to my friends in other countries, I am lead to believe that the countries have nearly excruciating taxes to afford national health care among other things. Please explain why we (The USA) should emulate these other countries? Because most of us believe no one should be eliminated from having healthcare. Which is exactly what Trump promised. Healthcare for EVERYONE with a lower price than the ACA. Now, if he only he had kept his word.
He also promised to make pharmaceutical companies lower their prices. Which again he backed away from.
Our healthcare is good . . . only if you have the bucks to pay for it. And that was the reason the ACA was necessary. Folks love blaming the ACA for higher premiums, but premiums went up annually before the ACA.
And if anyone thinks what Trump just did will lower premiums, they will find out the ugly truth soon enough. If they want their current plans, the cost will rise. If they want a lower premium, they'll get lower services. The ACA is garbage. All it did was raise my rates like 68% overnight, and then when I couldn't afford it I got fined for not having it. I don't care what you all say. It is garbage
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Oct 16, 2017 13:07:24 GMT -8
The ACA is garbage. All it did was raise my rates like 68% overnight, and then when I couldn't afford it I got fined for not having it. I don't care what you all say. It is garbage Yet, the majority feel otherwise.
Does it need to be tweaked? Absolutely. The majority agree with that, including Democrats.
Allowing parents to cover their children until they are 26 and covering pre-existing conditions are two excellent ACA points.
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Post by 📚 Dianne 📚 on Oct 16, 2017 13:19:53 GMT -8
The ACA is garbage. All it did was raise my rates like 68% overnight, and then when I couldn't afford it I got fined for not having it. I don't care what you all say. It is garbage Yet, the majority feel otherwise.
Does it need to be tweaked? Absolutely. The majority agree with that, including Democrats.
Allowing parents to cover their children until they are 26 and covering pre-existing conditions are two excellent ACA points.
What...what??? I'm going to end up paying higher healthcare, because we make more money, to pay for some adult still living with their parents and won't get off their duff to get a job??? I get it if it is a disabled child who will never be able to provide for itself (of course that is why we have Medicare/Medicaid not sure which one applies)-but what is this about keeping adults on their parents package until they are 26? I think why it seems as if the majority doesn't want to see Obamacare ended is because they would have to admit that a president screwed up BEFORE Donald. IMO only. Granted I don't have children - but I know many parents and they would never stand for their young adults/adult children to keep mooching. (sorry I went off topic)
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Post by 📚 Dianne 📚 on Oct 16, 2017 13:22:35 GMT -8
Because most of us believe no one should be eliminated from having healthcare. Which is exactly what Trump promised. Healthcare for EVERYONE with a lower price than the ACA. Now, if he only he had kept his word.
He also promised to make pharmaceutical companies lower their prices. Which again he backed away from.
Our healthcare is good . . . only if you have the bucks to pay for it. And that was the reason the ACA was necessary. Folks love blaming the ACA for higher premiums, but premiums went up annually before the ACA.
And if anyone thinks what Trump just did will lower premiums, they will find out the ugly truth soon enough. If they want their current plans, the cost will rise. If they want a lower premium, they'll get lower services. The ACA is garbage. All it did was raise my rates like 68% overnight, and then when I couldn't afford it I got fined for not having it. I don't care what you all say. It is garbage My best friend of many years died because she could not afford Obamacare. She couldn't even afford to go to a walk-in clinic to see what was the matter. She died of an infection and internal bleeding.
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Post by 📚 Dianne 📚 on Oct 16, 2017 13:23:28 GMT -8
Sorry guys - I can't figure out how to get rid of all the quotes that don't pertain to my posts.I'll get it sooner or later.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Oct 16, 2017 13:35:15 GMT -8
What...what??? I'm going to end up paying higher healthcare, because we make more money, to pay for some adult still living with their parents and won't get off their duff to get a job??? I get it if it is a disabled child who will never be able to provide for itself (of course that is why we have Medicare/Medicaid not sure which one applies)-but what is this about keeping adults on their parents package until they are 26? I think why it seems as if the majority doesn't want to see Obamacare ended is because they would have to admit that a president screwed up BEFORE Donald. IMO only. Granted I don't have children - but I know many parents and they would never stand for their young adults/adult children to keep mooching. (sorry I went off topic) This is the problem. People don't understand the ACA.
No one cares which POTUS instituted it. What matters is if it has more positives than negatives.
If Trump kept his word that everyone would be covered, even those with pre-existing conditions, the public would jump on board. In the end, we care most about our health and our wallets.
This POTUS said he would lower costs while keeping everyone on healthcare, yet every proposal he's come up with eliminates 20+ million from it.
And why would YOU pay for these children? It's the parents who have paid for them throughout their minority who now have the opportunity to do so until they are 26 if they so choose. It doesn't raise anyone's prices. It just extends the age a parent can choose to continue to cover their child.
It doesn't affect you in the slightest. This is the perfect illustration of not liking something just because of the POTUS who gave the parents the opportunity, even though it doesn't affect anyone but the parents and their children.
I am a mother. And if my child was pursuing a career in her field of study and was paying back student loans, I wouldn't hesitate in the least to continue to keep her on my insurance plan ~ a plan she was on since a minor.
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Post by 📚 Dianne 📚 on Oct 16, 2017 14:28:39 GMT -8
What...what??? I'm going to end up paying higher healthcare, because we make more money, to pay for some adult still living with their parents and won't get off their duff to get a job??? I get it if it is a disabled child who will never be able to provide for itself (of course that is why we have Medicare/Medicaid not sure which one applies)-but what is this about keeping adults on their parents package until they are 26? I think why it seems as if the majority doesn't want to see Obamacare ended is because they would have to admit that a president screwed up BEFORE Donald. IMO only. Granted I don't have children - but I know many parents and they would never stand for their young adults/adult children to keep mooching. (sorry I went off topic) This is the problem. People don't understand the ACA.
No one cares which POTUS instituted it. What matters is if it has more positives than negatives.
If Trump kept his word that everyone would be covered, even those with pre-existing conditions, the public would jump on board. In the end, we care most about our health and our wallets.
This POTUS said he would lower costs while keeping everyone on healthcare, yet every proposal he's come up with eliminates 20+ million from it.
And why would YOU pay for these children? It's the parents who have paid for them throughout their minority who now have the opportunity to do so until they are 26 if they so choose. It doesn't raise anyone's prices. It just extends the age a parent can choose to continue to cover their child.
It doesn't affect you in the slightest. This is the perfect illustration of not liking something just because of the POTUS who gave the parents the opportunity, even though it doesn't affect anyone but the parents and their children.
I am a mother. And if my child was pursuing a career in her field of study and was paying back student loans, I wouldn't hesitate in the least to continue to keep her on my insurance plan ~ a plan she was on since a minor. Thank you for explaining something that I may or may NOT not have understood fully. If I find facts that back you up then I will apologize even more! But somehow I doubt that I will -in order to pay for affordable healthcare (and I use the term loosely) someone has to kick in more than their share. It is commendable that you would want to back your child up, but shouldn't someone who has gone to college already have a career by 26 yrs? Although I suppose if they are going on to graduate school then maybe not. Still, I have to think that it would be affordable for you because of others paying more for this so called AHC.
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Post by Former Member on Oct 16, 2017 14:38:08 GMT -8
And why would YOU pay for these children? It's the parents who have paid for them throughout their minority who now have the opportunity to do so until they are 26 if they so choose. It doesn't raise anyone's prices. It just extends the age a parent can choose to continue to cover their child. But it does raise people's prices. Those that make more, pay more to cover for those that make less. So some poor family that keeps their kids on until 26 gets that paid for by others
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Oct 16, 2017 14:56:38 GMT -8
Thank you for explaining something that I may or may NOT not have understood fully. When I find the facts that back you up then I will apologize even more! However you are making an assumption about me; and you know what they say about assumptions -so I would hope that you stop doing so. You're welcome.
And I've made no assumption about you. None whatsoever, so there is nothing to stop.
You said you didn't want to pay for these adult children. You assumed people like or don't like a policy based on the President, not I.
And why would YOU pay for these children? It's the parents who have paid for them throughout their minority who now have the opportunity to do so until they are 26 if they so choose. It doesn't raise anyone's prices. It just extends the age a parent can choose to continue to cover their child. But it does raise people's prices. Those that make more, pay more to cover for those that make less. So some poor family that keeps their kids on until 26 gets that paid for by others Parents alone bear the burden for their children. Link please if you can substantiate that you're paying for the poor family's adult children.
And yes, people that make more pay more, and that is exactly why your premiums will go up with Trump's new EO. The subsidies aren't going away because the government won't pay them. Those who make more will now pay those subsidies through higher premiums
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Post by 📚 Dianne 📚 on Oct 16, 2017 15:05:00 GMT -8
Thank you for explaining something that I may or may NOT not have understood fully. When I find the facts that back you up then I will apologize even more! However you are making an assumption about me; and you know what they say about assumptions -so I would hope that you stop doing so. You're welcome.
And I've made no assumption about you. None whatsoever, so there is nothing to stop.
You said you didn't want to pay for these adult children. You assumed people like or don't like a policy based on the President, not I.
You assumed that I was against a past President because of what I feel are his bad decisions. And you may want to read my edited post.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Oct 16, 2017 15:44:08 GMT -8
You assumed that I was against a past President because of what I feel are his bad decisions. And you may want to read my edited post. First, as you stated you edited your post. I quoted your post as it stood when I replied.
You said ~
Again, I assumed nothing. You said it is your assumption people don't want to see Obamacare ended because Obama screwed up.
I addressed that assumption.
I said the illustration was perfect and nothing about you. I'm showing that many don't want to see Obamacare end because of the benefits it entails and not because they can't admit Obama screwed up, as you implied. Some just don't want to see it succeed because of the president who passed it, despite what good it has to offer.
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Post by Artemis on Oct 16, 2017 18:07:06 GMT -8
This effort to get rid of Obamacare without a suitable replacement is really concerning. While we're exchanging anecdotes, really the only reason I'm able to go to school and pursue a better career is because of the health care I got access to under the law. I'd like very much to be able to keep that up. It was a shame that it passed the way it did, because it could have been so much better, but beyond partisan battles, I think there's a bigger issue at stake that we'll need to confront if we want to improve our system for everyone. Our culture doesn't like paying for other people. We've got a very lone wolf thing going on, where individual tax dollars and the sacrosanct free market are more important than anything else. And that's a staple many people are not willing to part ways with, even when it comes to health care. My views on that aside, I do think it'll be one of the biggest struggles we face when it comes to any kind of reform, because it's hard to talk about the big picture when we can't even meet on a very fundamental level. I'd love to talk about the details of universal health care, but I'd be getting ahead of myself when a lot of people still see that as government overreach or tax theft or something. I will say that while I don't care what name goes on the eventual bill that works for everyone, I don't think Trump is working in our best interests. I don't think any legislation will benefit everyone, but with the ACA I never felt any malice behind it. Maybe just a well-intentioned piece of legislation that came out poorly made after struggling to pass. But with this, it feels different, and it's exhausting to just be afraid all the time of what he might try to do with this.
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