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Post by Ash on Aug 29, 2010 16:47:23 GMT -8
I was born with hazel eyes. Is that a sin? D: I know this is a joke or a rude remark...either way, God made everyone in His image...Therefore no it is not a sin that you have hazel eyes...Where did that even come from anyway? _______________________ 2 Tim 2:23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels I am done edit: so that doesn't blow up in my face.... I'm done because people are getting way off subject and trying to talk about other things that aren't about homosexuality as well as using the shotgun technique.
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Post by Hero on Aug 29, 2010 16:49:29 GMT -8
I was born with hazel eyes. Is that a sin? D: I know this is a joke or a rude remark...either way, God made everyone in His image...Therefore no it is not a sin that you have hazel eyes...Where did that even come from anyway? Homosexuality is natural, not learned, as is having Hazel eyes.
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Post by bagheera on Aug 29, 2010 16:56:17 GMT -8
[post 1] See my post below. [post 2] You're assuming that the rest of the sentence was structured the same way in the original Bible. Try to fit those words into the literal translation of Lev 18:22: "And with a male you shall not lay lyings of a woman". See? It's not about the gender pronoun. It's about what words belong in between "lay" and "lyings". [post 3 with quotes] I didn't ask for quotes from the very same revisionist Bible I mentioned. I asked for research into the history of said Bible. But I've done it for you, so here you go. Lev. 18:22: Given the context of the verses surrounding it, it makes sense that it regards ancient idolatrous sex in pagan temples. If it referred to homosexual sex, it would likely appear before the topic was changed to temple sex. The other possible explanation that makes more sense is that the precise translation, which reads "lay lyings", refers to a woman's bed. You can see how this makes sense by inserting the words "in the" rather than "as the" between the words. Lev. 20:13: Similar to the last verse, another acceptable translation would read: "And a man who will lie down with a male in beds of a woman, both of them have made an abomination; dying they will die. Their blood is on them." Also, it is believed that this refers to homosexual prostitution in a temple, like the last verse, a practice which has obviously since been abandoned (perhaps because of this verse or perhaps not). It doesn't say you can't do it -- just that you can't do it in a woman's bed. Also, if you're going to take this passage literally, you have to put people who cheat to death too. That means killing 22% of the population. 1 Cor. 6:9-10: "nor homosexuals" is very clearly not actually meant to be "homosexuals", since Paul wrote "arsenokoitai" and not the word Greeks used for homosexuality at the time, which was "paiderasste". Same with "nor effeminate", since "malakoi" meant: "[those] who live in an easy, indolent way; taking up no cross, enduring no hardship" -- essentially, lazy men. Rom. 1:26-28: Remember the line after it, which can be translated as, "At whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself." Now, moving on to the actual translation. If you carefully read the most original translation possible, you can see that Paul is condemning those who act against their natural inclinations. This group had been engaging in sin because, for them, homosexual activity was unnatural. This has nothing to do with homosexuality, and everything to do with behavior that is against one's basic nature.
And even if Christians accept that the revisionist Bible is somehow better than the original meanings that Paul and the other writers of it intended, if you're going to talk about homosexuality using the Bible, why don't you also accept human slavery, burning hookers alive, requiring rape victims to marry their rapist, and executing non-virgin brides? Because it's immoral and outside the "real" will of God? So is taking this view of homosexuality. Just thought I'd quote this because it got bumped to the last page, in case it didn't get seen. If I don't respond to your response, I've probably gone to bed -- gotta work early tomorrow.
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Post by Graham on Aug 29, 2010 23:15:57 GMT -8
Ashleigh, didn't you used to be a lesbian?
Serious question.
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Post by Derek‽ on Aug 29, 2010 23:26:28 GMT -8
Ashleigh, didn't you used to be a lesbian? Serious question. I was wondering the same thing. I didn't know if I was mixing her up with another member or not.
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Post by alexx on Aug 30, 2010 0:03:28 GMT -8
I was wondering the same thing. I didn't know if I was mixing her up with another member or not. I think it's a girl Anna or Ana Soddom and Gamora were destroyed for Homosexuality... They were destroyed for being Las Vegas
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Post by Graham on Aug 30, 2010 0:12:19 GMT -8
I was wondering the same thing. I didn't know if I was mixing her up with another member or not. I think it's a girl Anna or Ana Same person, i think.
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Post by pawl on Aug 30, 2010 0:53:24 GMT -8
I think it's a girl Anna or Ana Same person, i think. They are, unless I'm very much mistaken.
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Post by Kami on Aug 30, 2010 1:16:16 GMT -8
Regardless of whether or not homosexuality was condemned in the bible (was not, see bagheera's posts, on my phone so I have no desire to repeat it) or if it was condoned, I'd like to also point out - "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." It is not up to the churches (in this case, Christian churches) to condemn anyone. The churches, if they so believe that homosexuals are sinning, should be welcoming them into their folds with open arms, leading by example of acceptance and love, not hate and condemnation. Even if you don't "hate homosexuals", people who believe its wrong is still condemning that person in some small way. (And before people start freaking out, this is why [or part if why] I'm no longer christian. It's impossible not to condemn someone for something they do that one has been raised to believe is wrong. It's unreasonable to expect it of your people when the very doctrine shows examples and acceptance of condemnation).
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Post by 🍁🇨🇦 Tai Pan 🇨🇦🍁 on Aug 30, 2010 1:20:29 GMT -8
This is a no win thread for either side.
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Post by Kami on Aug 30, 2010 1:32:16 GMT -8
This is a no win thread for either side. Yes, because that's why this thread was created and why people post - just to "win". Stating opinions and having scintillating intellectual debate? Puh-leeze, inconceivable! No one wants that! Threads should only be created if (a) everyone agrees, (b) its just for humour, or (c) with the intent to "win".
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Post by Division by Zero on Aug 30, 2010 1:36:58 GMT -8
Just thought I'd quote this because it got bumped to the last page, in case it didn't get seen. Much appreciated. Way too lazy to do all that research on my own.
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Post by Ash on Aug 30, 2010 1:39:26 GMT -8
This is a no win thread for either side. Yes, because that's why this thread was created and why people post - just to "win". Stating opinions and having scintillating intellectual debate? Puh-leeze, inconceivable! No one wants that! Threads should only be created if (a) everyone agrees, (b) its just for humour, or (c) with the intent to "win". I didn't post here to win I gave my thoughts and that was it.
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Post by Kami on Aug 30, 2010 1:41:37 GMT -8
Yes, because that's why this thread was created and why people post - just to "win". Stating opinions and having scintillating intellectual debate? Puh-leeze, inconceivable! No one wants that! Threads should only be created if (a) everyone agrees, (b) its just for humour, or (c) with the intent to "win". I didn't post here to win I gave my thoughts and that was it. Er... Sarcasm on my end, hon.
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Post by Ash on Aug 30, 2010 1:44:12 GMT -8
I didn't post here to win I gave my thoughts and that was it. Er... Sarcasm on my end, hon. *shrug* read it wrong. i didn't sleep much and it's about 6 am So...errr. myyy baaaad. Didn't mean to ruin your sarcasm.
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