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Post by Kami on Aug 30, 2010 1:48:59 GMT -8
Tch! Sarcasm ruiner! =P
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Post by Ash on Aug 30, 2010 1:55:16 GMT -8
I'm so ashamed. ;D
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Post by Kami on Aug 30, 2010 2:00:43 GMT -8
I'm so ashamed. ;D As well you should be. Shame! Shaaaaaaaaaaaaaame!
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Post by ily 'TIL THE end on Aug 30, 2010 4:20:12 GMT -8
Those are Catholics.
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Post by bagheera on Aug 30, 2010 6:39:48 GMT -8
Still curious whether Ashleigh or Nightwalker will respond to my post. Every time I bring out the facts about what the Bible originally said in a thread like this, the people I'm debating mysteriously vanish. 2 Tim 2:23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels I am done edit: so that doesn't blow up in my face.... I'm done because people are getting way off subject and trying to talk about other things that aren't about homosexuality as well as using the shotgun technique. Edited: Oh, I see that Ashleigh edited her post to say how she's done with this argument (before she proceeded to keep posting in here). I love how whenever people can't refute points, they start blowing hot air. ;D "The shotgun technique" really got me lol'ing because of how incredibly inapplicable it is to the situation, unless by that, she means that nobody should respond to more than one person. I suppose since she's done, I'll take Nightwalker.
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Post by Ash on Aug 30, 2010 12:24:01 GMT -8
Still curious whether Ashleigh or Nightwalker will respond to my post. Every time I bring out the facts about what the Bible originally said in a thread like this, the people I'm debating mysteriously vanish. 2 Tim 2:23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels I am done edit: so that doesn't blow up in my face.... I'm done because people are getting way off subject and trying to talk about other things that aren't about homosexuality as well as using the shotgun technique. Edited: Oh, I see that Ashleigh edited her post to say how she's done with this argument (before she proceeded to keep posting in here). I love how whenever people can't refute points, they start blowing hot air. ;D "The shotgun technique" really got me lol'ing because of how incredibly inapplicable it is to the situation, unless by that, she means that nobody should respond to more than one person. I suppose since she's done, I'll take Nightwalker. I'm not answering because of reasons I don't have to speak about. Shotgun Tech: Using other things to get your mind off what you were saying to begin with. Some started saying things that weren't about homosexuality and I just feel like if someone wants a debate keep it on subject. Don't go adding other things to attempt to stir confusion. If it wasn't for confusion then it was all at the wrong times. I posted because it wasn't about debating. I didn't say I would stop posting I said i was done...meaning this debate, because it's getting way to out of hand and not focused clearly on the issue. And i'd appreciate it if you would speak nicer to me as I haven't been rude with you. Nightwalker: Remember not winning the 'argument' wins the heart. don't let this person tempt you.
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Post by bagheera on Aug 30, 2010 12:54:08 GMT -8
I'm not answering because of reasons I don't have to speak about. Shotgun Tech: Using other things to get your mind off what you were saying to begin with. Some started saying things that weren't about homosexuality and I just feel like if someone wants a debate keep it on subject. Don't go adding other things to attempt to stir confusion. If it wasn't for confusion then it was all at the wrong times. I posted because it wasn't about debating. I didn't say I would stop posting I said i was done...meaning this debate, because it's getting way to out of hand and not focused clearly on the issue. And i'd appreciate it if you would speak nicer to me as I haven't been rude with you. Nightwalker: Remember not winning the 'argument' wins the heart. don't let this person tempt you. First, you're right, I did come off snarkier than I intended, I believe. I'm rather frustrated, because I've had this debate about a dozen times on PBS, and every single time I bring up the truth about the Biblical quotes the other person uses, they mysteriously vanish, ignore me, or try to change the topic. Can you see how it might be frustrating to hold a debate under those circumstances? Now, moving on to your actual points. The shotgun technique actually means to use a bunch of different arguments with different conclusions and then claim that you win because not all of these conclusions are responded to, but it's incorrect in this case. My research on all the different quotes you brought up first points to one conclusion -- the point that the Bible truly didn't condemn homosexuality. You still have done nothing to address this but sidestep it and cling to your incorrect beliefs about the Bible. And I certainly didn't "go adding" anything, so I'm not sure what you mean. Can you point out where I "started saying things that weren't about homosexuality" or went off-topic? The issue is that Christianity condemns homosexuality despite overwhelming evidence that not only did their Bible not speak about it until it was changed, but if you go far enough back, it was practiced and supported. I still think we're on topic. "This person", as I'm assuming is a snide reference to me, is not trying to "tempt" anyone, and I'd appreciate it if you would stop implying that my intent is to do anything more than dismantle all illogical arguments. Edited to add: Also, I don't see why people just leave in order to preserve their beliefs once it's proven that the Bible doesn't back them up. I wouldn't have a problem if someone said, "Oh, wow... I didn't realize that the Bible never actually intended to say anything about homosexuality. I guess the problem I have with homosexuality can't be based on the Bible, then. However, I still feel it's wrong due to my personal beliefs." I can deal with that, much as I'm saddened that people choose to dislike others on the basis of something that isn't a choice. I just can't deal with people continuing to claim something that has been proven untrue. It's like trying to debate logically with the people who went, "I don't care what evidence you have, the earth is still the center of the universe!"
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Post by Graham on Aug 30, 2010 15:12:04 GMT -8
Still curious whether Ashleigh will respond to my post. I'm now wondering the same thing.
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Post by Martyn Dale on Aug 30, 2010 15:24:40 GMT -8
Sorry, but you're wrong. Have you actually researched the issue by looking up the Bible scholars who searched for the original meanings of words such as arsenokoitai? Have you actually looked up what arsenokoitai means, and when it got changed to "homosexual"? Until then, please don't say that the Bible says it's wrong without clarifying that revisionists changed the Bible to make it wrong. i didn't want to but you asked for it * Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1 * Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them" * 1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God." * Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
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Post by Kami on Aug 30, 2010 17:15:54 GMT -8
I lol'd, martyn. I lol'd hard.
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Post by Brian on Aug 30, 2010 17:33:20 GMT -8
I'm sure this information will sway a minimal crowd, as some people... okay, many people are going to stick to the anti-marriage mindset no matter what proof condoning gay marriage is presented to them, not to mention those who aren't part of any religion that don't agree with the idea as well. I agree with you though, Woop. A religion is an optional practice. If you're not affiliated with it, why should it be able to control your rights to marry or live anywhere? And nice, Martyn.
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Post by ToriJ on Aug 30, 2010 18:02:49 GMT -8
Good news for my brother then.
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Post by ily 'TIL THE end on Aug 31, 2010 8:02:55 GMT -8
i didn't want to but you asked for it * Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1 * Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them" * 1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God." * Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper." This is what happens when people take the Bible too seriously and starts quoting old laws to try to mock the Bible. I lol'd at this for the pathetic attempt. ;D
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Post by Søren on Aug 31, 2010 8:16:54 GMT -8
At my church we quite a lot of member are older with older fashion view. Most is adamantly against homosexuality and gay marriage. Saying it against the bible or whatever you religious text is. I think you can quote the as much as you like arguing for or against but in the end as long as you close to God that all that matters. Religion is going to hell being close to God is going to heaven
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Post by Matej on Aug 31, 2010 8:30:06 GMT -8
This is what happens when people take the Bible too seriously and starts quoting old laws to try to mock the Bible. I lol'd at this for the pathetic attempt. ;D So that quote is taken too seriously and it's an old law so it should not be respected, but gay marriage laws from the bible should be respected? Why the optional reading? I lol at your pathetic attempt at loling.
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