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[Trill]

Jan 12, 2011 16:55:09 GMT -8 Robyn said:

Okay then:

Robert...

Okay, you're probably going to share this PM I'm sending you just to make me look more suspicious, but whatever, haha

What do you think about the game?

It looks like we're both suspects for illogical reasons. You, for just being alive, and me because I PMd a bunch of people, haha.

To me it just seems like that. To me, Pming anyone when you are mafia (or not) asking for trust just isn't the right move.

What part of my message implied anything about trust, an alliance, or anything like that?

[Thesealion]

Trill you still haven't answered my PM...

Trill i would like to tell you that i CAN be swayed. You are the best suspect ATM but if you could get some logical arguments i will listen.

[Trill]

Jan 12, 2011 16:51:14 GMT -8 @tercielsilvi said:

Jan 12, 2011 16:47:46 GMT -8 Trill said:

Does anyone here approve of a secret alliance of several people, possibly including mafia, running the game and knowing all the information that isn't public? I already expressed my two inherent concerns about this alliance in one of my earlier posts this part of the round.

Whilst I can certainly see the benefits, it seems fairly evident that there is a mafia element to it and as such highly diminishes any bonuses that it brings.

THANK YOU for the first logical post in the last hour. That is exactly why I'm saying all of our fates should not be held in the hands of a secret alliance that is likely to have at least one or two mafia members.

[Robyn]

Jan 12, 2011 16:56:10 GMT -8 Trill said:

Jan 12, 2011 16:55:09 GMT -8 Robyn said:

Okay then:



To me it just seems like that. To me, Pming anyone when you are mafia (or not) asking for trust just isn't the right move.

What part of my message implied anything about trust, an alliance, or anything like that?

Just PMing people seems bad enough.

I don't know, I'm so confused

[aether]

Jan 12, 2011 16:54:48 GMT -8 Ace Trainer Dom said:

Jan 12, 2011 16:46:35 GMT -8 aether said:

I'm going to have to vote for Dom.

His sarcastic replies aren't doing much for me, as well as the reasons I mentioned earlier.

Don't like sarcasm? That's all I'm seeing in this thread I'll vote myself too if it comes to it, this game is getting crazy and there are simply waaay too many people in this one. It's getting out of hand imo.

I agree with that. There are way too many people in this game.

Jan 12, 2011 16:47:45 GMT -8 Robyn said:

Æther, my sincere apologizes if I'm wrong but didn't you rationalize way back at day 1 that patrick was mafia?

You're going to have to point out where. I don't remember and I don't know in which instances you mean specifically.

[Trill]

Jan 12, 2011 16:56:43 GMT -8 Thesealion said:

Trill you still haven't answered my PM...

Trill i would like to tell you that i CAN be swayed. You are the best suspect ATM but if you could get some logical arguments i will listen.

May I politely ask what makes me a suspect? ...Other than the fact that I sent lots of different PMs out to different people. Almost all the PMs were trying to get info about the big alliance originally, and then anti-big-alliance. I never mass PMd anyone. I never sent the same PM out to more than three or four people, like Phaelyn is trying to claim.

Jan 12, 2011 16:56:43 GMT -8 Thesealion said:

Trill you still haven't answered my PM...

Trill i would like to tell you that i CAN be swayed. You are the best suspect ATM but if you could get some logical arguments i will listen.

In regards to the question/PM you sent me, I did name some players who I believe are involved in the big alliance. That was in the very first PM I sent you about the alliance that I unconvered.

[iCraft]

I got a pm from trill but it wasnt anything like yalls

[Robyn]

Jan 12, 2011 16:58:56 GMT -8 aether said:

Jan 12, 2011 16:54:48 GMT -8 Ace Trainer Dom said:

Don't like sarcasm? That's all I'm seeing in this thread I'll vote myself too if it comes to it, this game is getting crazy and there are simply waaay too many people in this one. It's getting out of hand imo.

I agree with that. There are way too many people in this game.

Jan 12, 2011 16:47:45 GMT -8 Robyn said:

Æther, my sincere apologizes if I'm wrong but didn't you rationalize way back at day 1 that patrick was mafia?

You're going to have to point out where. I don't remember and I don't know in which instances you mean specifically.

Sorry I saw the post and you weren't. My bad.

[CheatAreZee]

Just in case I'm not back before this day is over, I'll be keeping my vote for Trill. I think the way he was working alone, he could have gotten Zar to reveal his role in the game and shared it with the mafia, and is why he got axed by the mafia even though he only had 2 posts this game.

Also, this is part of a second PM he sent me after, stating he has a special role:

"I don't know if i want to reveal my role yet, because then some mafia member's gonna say "oh that's my role" as their cover and they'll have the backing of the whole mafia, and I'll be lynched. I'm super paranoid and freaking out about getting lynched early, lol. That's my fear at this point.

Well, I guess from that you can infer that I'm a special character."

Kind of contradictory that he wants others to spill the beans on what role they have, yet won't share the same info. And these are the main reasons why I'm sticking with the vote for him.

[Ace Trainer Dom]

Jan 12, 2011 16:58:56 GMT -8 aether said:

Jan 12, 2011 16:54:48 GMT -8 Ace Trainer Dom said:

Don't like sarcasm? That's all I'm seeing in this thread I'll vote myself too if it comes to it, this game is getting crazy and there are simply waaay too many people in this one. It's getting out of hand imo.

I agree with that. There are way too many people in this game.

Jan 12, 2011 16:47:45 GMT -8 Robyn said:

Æther, my sincere apologizes if I'm wrong but didn't you rationalize way back at day 1 that patrick was mafia?

You're going to have to point out where. I don't remember and I don't know in which instances you mean specifically.

Then I suppose you will also agree with me that if it gets to that point, you may want to just end it as well. A virtual suicide so to speak


Anyways I'll say this now because people seems to be calming down a bit. Everybody is in an alliance with someone Without a detective they are almost all based on suspicion and trust, meaning if you find one mafia member out of a group, that doesn't necessarily mean everyone else in the group is mafia. In fact if I was the godfather or a mafia member, I would make sure that there wasn't more than one mafia member infiltrating each group, because that way when you are discovered (not if), you don't lose everyone because of that blunder.

Having said that I am really going to have dinner now (provided I can tear myself away from this thread for 20 minutes ha )

[Thesealion]

Jan 12, 2011 16:59:07 GMT -8 Trill said:

Jan 12, 2011 16:56:43 GMT -8 Thesealion said:

Trill you still haven't answered my PM...

Trill i would like to tell you that i CAN be swayed. You are the best suspect ATM but if you could get some logical arguments i will listen.

May I politely ask what makes me a suspect? ...Other than the fact that I sent lots of different PMs out to different people. Almost all the PMs were trying to get info about the big alliance originally, and then anti-big-alliance. I never mass PMd anyone. I never sent the same PM out to more than three or four people, like Phaelyn is trying to claim.

You are a suspect because of this.

1) You PMed a lot of people. I as a villager don't want to PM people because if i PM 5 people one of them is probably mafia. Why would you PM so many people if you didn't know if they were mafia?
2) In your PM's you implied that there was one or two people you were in contact with when this was not true.

I'm in the same boat as you. I'm very paranoid at this point, haha. You can tell from my big post last round. I can definitely understand why you'd be a bit secretive. Well, if I die tonight at least you and one other player knows who I think would kill me if they're mafia.

3) This has to do with 2 but could you answer this? support.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=games&thread=378950&post=4309813
4) I do suspect that one of the people in the group may be mafia but i also think that you are still a larger suspect. If you are not mafia i believe i will know who to go after...if you are i will need to do some more searching.

Please answer this...i need to know your defense..

[Trill]

Dom, that's very insightful. Thanks; we should all consider that.

Plus, this is my first game, I didn't know PMing a bunch of people would get you killed. I know I'm not the top PM-er in this game though.

[Trill]

Jan 12, 2011 17:05:40 GMT -8 Thesealion said:

Jan 12, 2011 16:59:07 GMT -8 Trill said:

May I politely ask what makes me a suspect? ...Other than the fact that I sent lots of different PMs out to different people. Almost all the PMs were trying to get info about the big alliance originally, and then anti-big-alliance. I never mass PMd anyone. I never sent the same PM out to more than three or four people, like Phaelyn is trying to claim.

You are a suspect because of this.

1) You PMed a lot of people. I as a villager don't want to PM people because if i PM 5 people one of them is probably mafia. Why would you PM so many people if you didn't know if they were mafia?
2) In your PM's you implied that there was one or two people you were in contact with when this was not true.

I'm in the same boat as you. I'm very paranoid at this point, haha. You can tell from my big post last round. I can definitely understand why you'd be a bit secretive. Well, if I die tonight at least you and one other player knows who I think would kill me if they're mafia.

3) This has to do with 2 but could you answer this? support.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=games&thread=378950&post=4309813
4) I do suspect that one of the people in the group may be mafia but i also think that you are still a larger suspect. If you are not mafia i believe i will know who to go after...if you are i will need to do some more searching.

1) I explained this already. All of my PMs you guys are referencing started after I figured out an alliance was running this game. My PMs were anti-big-alliance. I don't know everyone whose in it, but there's likely mafia. Again, I go back to my two inherent reasons why this type of alliance is inherently flawed. See my first post of this round, and Capitan stated it clearly:

Jan 12, 2011 16:51:14 GMT -8 @tercielsilvi said:

Jan 12, 2011 16:47:46 GMT -8 Trill said:

Does anyone here approve of a secret alliance of several people, possibly including mafia, running the game and knowing all the information that isn't public? I already expressed my two inherent concerns about this alliance in one of my earlier posts this part of the round.

Whilst I can certainly see the benefits, it seems fairly evident that there is a mafia element to it and as such highly diminishes any bonuses that it brings.

2) I never said I've only contacted, say two, people. Sorry, but there's a miscommunication somewhere. I DID imply that two others knew of what I wrote in that message.

3) Sorry, you're wrong. I did name the suspects I knew that were in the alliance in the first PM I sent you. To the other question: It IS a proven fact that Aether created a network to find everyone's roles. I PMd you and a couple others this information because you are not in my group of suspects. If I was killed the last night, I wanted you and a couple others to know who I was investigating because if they're mafia, they knew I was on to them and wanted their information to be publicized.

4) It was way too early in this game for a mafia member to go all out and put a target on his/her back. The huge target was on my back last round when I revealed most of what I knew about the alliance.

[Ace Trainer Dom]

Jan 12, 2011 17:07:59 GMT -8 Trill said:

Dom, that's very insightful. Thanks; we should all consider that.

Plus, this is my first game, I didn't know PMing a bunch of people would get you killed. I know I'm not the top PM-er in this game though.

You're welcome. I try to be insightful and perceptive in this game, but when all hell breaks loose I just can't resist but join the party

[Thesealion]

Jan 12, 2011 17:18:14 GMT -8 Trill said:

Jan 12, 2011 17:05:40 GMT -8 Thesealion said:

You are a suspect because of this.

1) You PMed a lot of people. I as a villager don't want to PM people because if i PM 5 people one of them is probably mafia. Why would you PM so many people if you didn't know if they were mafia?
2) In your PM's you implied that there was one or two people you were in contact with when this was not true.

3) This has to do with 2 but could you answer this? support.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=games&thread=378950&post=4309813
4) I do suspect that one of the people in the group may be mafia but i also think that you are still a larger suspect. If you are not mafia i believe i will know who to go after...if you are i will need to do some more searching.

1) I explained this already. All of my PMs you guys are referencing started after I figured out an alliance was running this game. My PMs were anti-big-alliance. I don't know everyone whose in it, but there's likely mafia. Again, I go back to my two inherent reasons why this type of alliance is inherently flawed. See my first post of this round, and Capitan stated it clearly:



Whilst I can certainly see the benefits, it seems fairly evident that there is a mafia element to it and as such highly diminishes any bonuses that it brings.

2) I never said I've only contacted, say two, people. Sorry, but there's a miscommunication somewhere. I DID imply that two others knew of what I wrote in that message.

3) Sorry, you're wrong. I did name the suspects I knew that were in the alliance in the first PM I sent you. To the other question: It IS a proven fact that Aether created a network to find everyone's roles. I PMd you and a couple others this information because you are not in my group of suspects. If I was killed the last night, I wanted you and a couple others to know who I was investigating because if they're mafia, they knew I was on to them and wanted their information to be publicized.

4) It was way too early in this game for a mafia member to go all out and put a target on his/her back. The huge target was on my back last round when I revealed most of what I knew about the alliance.

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I am starting to see your side...i still think you are awful suspicious but Aether sounds bad too...i think one of you two is mafia...