Move posts feature

[Former Member]

Forum URL: www.wellieswheelbarrows.proboards.com/index.cgi


Been meaning to bring this up for months. ;D

When I move posts into a new thread I'm shown as the thread starter.

Is there a fix please or at least a fix for v5?

Thanks

[🎶Sossity🎶]

Sept 4, 2012 22:52:44 GMT -8 @ritab said:

Forum URL: www.wellieswheelbarrows.proboards.com/index.cgi


Been meaning to bring this up for months. ;D

When I move posts into a new thread I'm shown as the thread starter.

Is there a fix please or at least a fix for v5?

Thanks

Hi

It's a known issue.

It would have to be a change made on the forum software side. I believe it will be changed in v5. However, do check back for admin' confirmation.

[Former Member]

OK will do, thanks Sossity.

[CheatAreZee]

Hi Rita,

The reason why it shows you as the topic starter is because you are technically the starter of the thread when you yourself moved posts from one thread as a new thread. I gave this a test on the v5 beta forum in GT and it appears this is the same way it functions for v5 as well.

If you would like, though, you can bring this up with our developers in our v5 Discussions area. They may be able to provide a more technical reason for this

[Former Member]

Thanks Ricky - could you please move this thread there?

[Ryan Roos]

When you move a thread in v5 you have two options besides where you place it. You may leave a message that the thread was moved and you may also PM the author of the thread to let them know it was moved.

When a thread is moved and you have chosen to leave a message the 'Created By' still displays the original author of the thread on the board. The thread title remains the same but is prefixed with 'Moved:' The thread is locked. The last reply is from the mover of the thread. If you click into the thread you will see a single post made by the person who moved the thread. This is because they have literally posted a message that says the following:

This message has been moved to [different board] by [member who moved it].

So to address your concern, the thread starter remains the original author. Not the person who moved the thread. Just like you requested.

[Ryan Roos]

Hi Rita,

I just talked to Ricky and realized I misunderstood what you were asking.

When moving a specific post or posts into a new thread the author of the new thread will be whoever moved the posts. I realize that this is not what you are requesting but we need to look at it from the other side.

Let's say I go into a thread a grab a member's post. We'll call this member Fred. I then go create a new thread with that post in another board somewhere else on the forum (maybe even a board Fred can't access himself). It isn't fair to him that a new thread with a new title pops up with him as the author. We never allow members to impersonate other members. Allowing thread authors to be misrepresented, even if the post itself is unmodified isn't right. So I'm sorry to say, but in the instance where you are moving posts the author will be the mover. It's literally the equivalent of them creating a new thread and removing their first post, leaving just the replied. We don't update the author when that happens either.

[Former Member]

Mmmmmm I think I understand where you are coming from Ryan, but your reasoning is for posts being used to create a new thread..... there is nothing to stop me moving Fred's posts into an existing thread or indeed a thread which Fred cannot access himself....

[Celeste]

Sept 5, 2012 12:01:47 GMT -8 Ryan Roos said:

We never allow members to impersonate other members. Allowing thread authors to be misrepresented, even if the post itself is unmodified isn't right. So I'm sorry to say, but in the instance where you are moving posts the author will be the mover. It's literally the equivalent of them creating a new thread and removing their first post, leaving just the replied. We don't update the author when that happens either.

I too see what you are saying, Ryan, except I respectfully disagree. The post contents are the thoughts of the person who wrote the post, not the person who moved it. To me, it misrepresents the poster to say the moderator is the author of the thread if s/he did nothing more than move someone else's post. If a moderator edits a post, the author doesn't switch to the editor.

Sept 5, 2012 12:48:30 GMT -8 @ritab said:

Mmmmmm I think I understand where you are coming from Ryan, but your reasoning is for posts being used to create a new thread..... there is nothing to stop me moving Fred's posts into an existing thread or indeed a thread which Fred cannot access himself....

There are two options to move posts, Rita. 'Move topic', which moves the whole thread intact with attribution to the original thread creator, or 'Move posts', which can extract individual posts from a thread and place them elsewhere. If the post is moved to another thread, the attribution stays with the poster. If the poster has gone off topic and you need to create a new thread from his post, the attribution stays with the mover.

Moving an entire thread ("topic") gives you the option to leave a "Moved to" notice. Moving individual posts does not.


Edited to add the differences between 'Move topic' and 'Move posts'.

[Ryan Roos]

Sept 5, 2012 13:51:06 GMT -8 Celeste said:

Sept 5, 2012 12:01:47 GMT -8 Ryan Roos said:

We never allow members to impersonate other members. Allowing thread authors to be misrepresented, even if the post itself is unmodified isn't right. So I'm sorry to say, but in the instance where you are moving posts the author will be the mover. It's literally the equivalent of them creating a new thread and removing their first post, leaving just the replied. We don't update the author when that happens either.

I too see what you are saying, Ryan, except I respectfully disagree. The post contents are the thoughts of the person who wrote the post, not the person who moved it. To me, it misrepresents the poster to say the moderator is the author of the thread if s/he did nothing more than move someone else's post. If a moderator edits a post, the author doesn't switch to the editor.

You can respectfully disagree all you want.

Except that the moderator is the Author. They decided which posts would make up the content of the new thread, they titled it and they placed it where they wanted it. That makes them the author. Here's the parallel comparison to help you understand it better.

You create a thread about Pokemon (you chose the topic, you picked the location, and you named the thread). A bunch of people reply. You delete your opening post. You're still the author of a thread related to your title which still remains.

or

There's a thread about game boy games but a bunch of people are only talking about Pokemon. You select all their posts and move them to a new thread. (you chose the topic [to create a new thread about], you picked the location, and you named the thread). You are creating a new thread with a new name.

In both cases you organized the thread so you are author.

The above is completely logical, and that's before we've even considered the fact that it's wrong to impersonate another user. By displaying a false author you are literally putting words in that person mouth when you type the title of the thread and organize its contents. I'm not even talking about a moderator who is abusing a member, I just mean you are literally saying they posted something they didn't (even if it's not negative in any way).

We know some people don't agree with us. But even our system follows the logic of a person who creates something is it's author. I'm sorry if you don't think this is how it should be, unfortunately this is how it will be.

[Former Member]

Celeste - I know the difference between moving posts and moving threads, thanks all the same......

[Celeste]

Sept 5, 2012 14:50:26 GMT -8 Ryan Roos said:

We know some people don't agree with us. But even our system follows the logic of a person who creates something is it's author. I'm sorry if you don't think this is how it should be, unfortunately this is how it will be.

Fair enough. I disagree but it isn't my decision to make. Thanks for listening and explaining the logic behind it.

I'll be quiet now.

Sorry, Rita. I wasn't sure. I've known moderators who weren't aware of the difference.

[Former Member]

Celeste - I'm not a moderator I'm main admin - it's not good to make assumptions.

Thanks for your apology all the same - btw do you like gardening? ;D

[Celeste]

Sept 5, 2012 22:09:00 GMT -8 @ritab said:

btw do you like gardening?

I love gardens. They are a delight to the senses and restful to the soul. Gardening is another matter. Plants have an unmistakable way of telling me that my skills and abilities lie elsewhere. I'm hoping to discover where my skills and abilities are hiding before I grow old!

[Former Member]

I hope you find what you are looking for.