Members email, and IP

[Rosefriend]

If I have to log into the Global Network to protect and reach my board then so be it but surely it is my prerogative whether I add other forums or not.
I would rather log into my other boards than add them..or is this also something that "has to be done"??

If I belong to 5 forums - does that means that I am controlled per IP addy (or any other way) to add those for logging in??

RF

[Patrick [ASE]]

Watch the video here support.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=openbetadiscussion&action=display&thread=430242 where global accounts are described
The normal way to login (or register) for other forums in V5 is to use the one global account, and link to them from that.

[Rosefriend]

Thanks Patrick - I have seen it and very good it is too!!

However what I am asking is - do I have to use that for all my forums??

Yes it is easier, better probably, but I do so appreciate being given a choice in life!!

RF

[bluebayou]

Although I will mourn the loss of access to new members email addy's for the valid reasons mentioned here, I think we all need to keep in mind that Proboards has taken this pro-active step to increase member privacy NOT because they are trying to make life difficult for us, but because, from what I've read here, it looks like current and future legislation will demand it.

From Proboards as well as everyone else.

[Patrick [ASE]]

Nov 11, 2012 7:52:51 GMT -8 Rosefriend said:

Thanks Patrick - I have seen it and very good it is too!!

However what I am asking is - do I have to use that for all my forums??

Yes it is easier, better probably, but I do so appreciate being given a choice in life!!

RF

You can of course have a different global account for each forum, but you would need a different email for each, that sounds like hard work, much easier to use just one global.

bluebayou you are correct, it's a privacy thing in legislation, at least we have been granted a way to have some control
Proboards takes security very seriously

[malcolmnl]

We have a lot of problems with people making two accounts. They're not spammers, just people who are trolling basically.

Can we block one (or more) of the individual accounts without banning them completely? Just restrict them to one account on the board.

[rchelitalk]

Not to stir the pot but let me ask a question.

How many spammers have you seen here on the PB Support site?

I can only maybe think of two in the past 5 years that I have seen, not that there hasn't been others.

What I am saying here is as Patrick said earlier, all of their servers go through an automated system that is run by Stop Forum Spam, and where is your forum at, on the PB servers.

I am not saying these guys want get through, these guys are smart and down the road they may figure a way around it. For now we will just have to trust that Stop Forum Spam and Proboards stay ahead of them.

[malcolmnl]

No we get very few spammers applying so they are easy to spot. And if in doubt I check with stopforumspam (a very handy site).

We have 2 problems that we solve now using IPs.
1) We are more troubled with people making more than 1 account (up to 5) and then for reasons known only by themselves they start arguing with each other. Eventually they make a mistake and the IP of one suddenly is the IP of another and they trip themselves up. Result, a ban for all. So not seing an IP is a big handicap for the moderators. Unfortunately at least one of these cretins works for an ISP and so knows the way arounf IP-land and keeps attempting to re-register. Not being able to check IPs, especially for proxies (although I know that not all proxies are trouble) will allow these folks back on board and no way of proving that they are just one person with multi accounts.

2) We also have a lot of people making a second account because they're to lazy, or just did not see what to do by forgotten password. We then email or pm to ask which account they would like to keep, all others are disabled. No answer is no account at all. These people are less of a problem, more a waste of time. But if banning one effectively bans all their accounts then that is not what we would like to do.

[Shrike]

Nov 11, 2012 11:17:49 GMT -8 malcolmnl said:

No we get very few spammers applying so they are easy to spot. And if in doubt I check with stopforumspam (a very handy site).

As far as I am aware, ProBoards now automatically checks with StopForumSpam's databases.

Nov 11, 2012 11:17:49 GMT -8 malcolmnl said:

We are more troubled with people making more than 1 account (up to 5) and then for reasons known only by themselves they start arguing with each other. Eventually they make a mistake and the IP of one suddenly is the IP of another and they trip themselves up. Result, a ban for all. So not seing an IP is a big handicap for the moderators. Unfortunately at least one of these cretins works for an ISP and so knows the way arounf IP-land and keeps attempting to re-register. Not being able to check IPs, especially for proxies (although I know that not all proxies are trouble) will allow these folks back on board and no way of proving that they are just one person with multi accounts.

On the first page of this thread, I posted a screenshot which shows how you can search by a member's IP address (such as posts made under that IP, accounts that have used that IP and so on). You don't need to be able to see the IP address to do this because the system knows it; the same results as before would be returned.

Nov 11, 2012 11:17:49 GMT -8 malcolmnl said:

We also have a lot of people making a second account because they're to lazy, or just did not see what to do by forgotten password. We then email or pm to ask which account they would like to keep, all others are disabled. No answer is no account at all. These people are less of a problem, more a waste of time. But if banning one effectively bans all their accounts then that is not what we would like to do.

You can ban a member by username and IP address or you can simply disable a specific account, same as before.

[VS Admin]

Nov 11, 2012 7:53:17 GMT -8 bluebayou said:

Although I will mourn the loss of access to new members email addy's for the valid reasons mentioned here, I think we all need to keep in mind that Proboards has taken this pro-active step to increase member privacy NOT because they are trying to make life difficult for us, but because, from what I've read here, it looks like current and future legislation will demand it.

From Proboards as well as everyone else.

Bingo.

We don't want to take away options from people, but privacy laws around the world are changing. With the evolution of privacy law we want to be on what is viewed as the right side of privacy practices. Part of this is limiting access to information that can be deemed personal.

At the Web 2.0 Expo in New York, I attended a panel that had to do specifically with online privacy. A couple of the important things to expect with future privacy laws include:

-Stricter non-disclosure of your personal information
-Ability to export your data from any website

These are necessary changes that we are making. We don't take these changes lightly, but we believe we are on the right side in terms of protecting our user's privacy.

[My Display Name]

Nov 11, 2012 17:34:10 GMT -8 VS Admin said:

Nov 11, 2012 7:53:17 GMT -8 bluebayou said:

Although I will mourn the loss of access to new members email addy's for the valid reasons mentioned here, I think we all need to keep in mind that Proboards has taken this pro-active step to increase member privacy NOT because they are trying to make life difficult for us, but because, from what I've read here, it looks like current and future legislation will demand it.

From Proboards as well as everyone else.

Bingo.

We don't want to take away options from people, but privacy laws around the world are changing. With the evolution of privacy law we want to be on what is viewed as the right side of privacy practices. Part of this is limiting access to information that can be deemed personal.

At the Web 2.0 Expo in New York, I attended a panel that had to do specifically with online privacy. A couple of the important things to expect with future privacy laws include:

-Stricter non-disclosure of your personal information
-Ability to export your data from any website

These are necessary changes that we are making. We don't take these changes lightly, but we believe we are on the right side in terms of protecting our user's privacy.

I do understand the "privacy" and I do support this. however I thought I would say that IP's do not give away any personal information. so I just wanna know why those are getting taken away.

I can't look at an IP and see where the person lives, what their credit card information is, or anything like that. I know a few sites that have "forum blacklists" and people to avoid and known to get in trouble and in those threads they provide the members email and IP so people know if they have joined their forums. This kind of takes away from this.

[VS Admin]

Nov 11, 2012 17:38:40 GMT -8 My Display Name said:

Nov 11, 2012 17:34:10 GMT -8 VS Admin said:

Bingo.

We don't want to take away options from people, but privacy laws around the world are changing. With the evolution of privacy law we want to be on what is viewed as the right side of privacy practices. Part of this is limiting access to information that can be deemed personal.

At the Web 2.0 Expo in New York, I attended a panel that had to do specifically with online privacy. A couple of the important things to expect with future privacy laws include:

-Stricter non-disclosure of your personal information
-Ability to export your data from any website

These are necessary changes that we are making. We don't take these changes lightly, but we believe we are on the right side in terms of protecting our user's privacy.

I do understand the "privacy" and I do support this. however I thought I would say that IP's do not give away any personal information. so I just wanna know why those are getting taken away.

I can't look at an IP and see where the person lives, what their credit card information is, or anything like that. I know a few sites that have "forum blacklists" and people to avoid and known to get in trouble and in those threads they provide the members email and IP so people know if they have joined their forums. This kind of takes away from this.

There's people on both sides of the fence that agree and disagree with you.

www.cbsnews.com/2100-205_162-3734904.html
googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2008/02/are-ip-addresses-personal.html
www.mediapost.com/publications/article/109242/
bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/ip-address-partially-personal-information/

There's nothing clear cut in this arena. We feel it is best to treat them as personal information, to be on the safest side of the privacy debate.

[My Display Name]

Nov 11, 2012 18:20:14 GMT -8 VS Admin said:

Nov 11, 2012 17:38:40 GMT -8 My Display Name said:

I do understand the "privacy" and I do support this. however I thought I would say that IP's do not give away any personal information. so I just wanna know why those are getting taken away.

I can't look at an IP and see where the person lives, what their credit card information is, or anything like that. I know a few sites that have "forum blacklists" and people to avoid and known to get in trouble and in those threads they provide the members email and IP so people know if they have joined their forums. This kind of takes away from this.

There's people on both sides of the fence that agree and disagree with you.

www.cbsnews.com/2100-205_162-3734904.html
googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2008/02/are-ip-addresses-personal.html
www.mediapost.com/publications/article/109242/
bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/ip-address-partially-personal-information/

There's nothing clear cut in this arena. We feel it is best to treat them as personal information, to be on the safest side of the privacy debate.

Ah, alright fair enough

[Martyn Dale]

Generally you will find that governments and regulatory offices consider them to be personal information, while companies and technically inclined users do not.

Unfortunately it is the former that makes the rules, and as such you end up in positions such as this.

[My Display Name]

Nov 11, 2012 18:53:37 GMT -8 Martyn Dale said:

Generally you will find that governments and regulatory offices consider them to be personal information, while companies and technically inclined users do not.

Unfortunately it is the former that makes the rules, and as such you end up in positions such as this.

understandable. I suppose it is out of your control then

Thanks for the info