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Post by richndanapoint on Jun 27, 2005 14:18:55 GMT -8
Um, no, it's not. It's saying, this is what the majority of this country believes. They are not forcing anything, on anyone. Agreed. I can tell that the 76% of the people who voted for keeping the 10 commandents right where they are, is definently true. It seems 76% of the users posting here definently do want the 10 CommandmentsSo I'm asking you-why should 9 Judges have power of 76% percent of the people? This is one of the few reasons why I hate the Supreme Court . . . lol . . . Majority always rules? That could make for some interesting changes in the world as you know it, a minority will be denying the majority something that is meaningful and important to them and which harms the minority in no way at all. Are you suggesting that denying the majority what they want is a bad thing? (the argument on 'harms the minority in no way' is separate)
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Post by Gonubierat on Jun 27, 2005 14:21:27 GMT -8
Agreed. I can tell that the 76% of the people who voted for keeping the 10 commandents right where they are, is definently true. It seems 76% of the users posting here definently do want the 10 CommandmentsSo I'm asking you-why should 9 Judges have power of 76% percent of the people? This is one of the few reasons why I hate the Supreme Court . . . lol . . . Majority always rules? That could make for some interesting changes in the world as you know it, a minority will be denying the majority something that is meaningful and important to them and which harms the minority in no way at all. Are you suggesting that denying the majority what they want is a bad thing? (the argument on 'harms the minority in no way' is separate) Correct me if I am wrong... but wouldn't that just throw democracy out the window?
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Post by ∞ ConqueringWolf ∞ on Jun 27, 2005 14:23:31 GMT -8
Why does religion belong in the government at all? I don't want religion anywhere near the laws of the country I have to follow. Basically that would be saying that you have to be religious to expect fair treatment in our legal system if they were based on religious beliefs. The law is the law...and is a government function....it has nothing to do with the church and needs to stay that way. religion has nothing to do with a government It does not force you to be religious. Not at all. And neither should it treat you unfairly. If it does, then it is the people in charge who are in question, not the law. Then again, I should remind you that all governments are put in place by God. So whether the rulers are Christian or not, they are there by God's will. I don;t remember reading anywhere in the bible where it says "and on the 8th day God created congress and the senate" or "and god said, Let there be government"
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Post by ryndell on Jun 27, 2005 14:25:17 GMT -8
The United State of america is a Constitutional Republic ,They protect us from what they consider mob rule .Which i am glad for in alot of was.I hate to say this but i do agree with rich this time .Religion has not place with in the justice system.With the Exception..Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth,and nothing but the truth so help you god .That is the only line .other wise ... The first admendment still applies when they say Congress Shall Make No Law on the Establishment of Religion, or the practice there of .In other words the state stays clear of it, and its practices.They are the law , not the church .
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Post by richndanapoint on Jun 27, 2005 14:27:20 GMT -8
Correct me if I am wrong... but wouldn't that just throw democracy out the window? And, what has religion to do with a politic system?
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Post by ryndell on Jun 27, 2005 14:31:48 GMT -8
rich absolutely nothing .. think about this .. if the supreme court justices ruled on by their religious belief on issues such as abortion.They would be denying the rights of the individual to life liberty and the persuit of happiness, not to mention their right to the freedom of choice.So no religion must stay out of the justice system.It is the only way to get a fair trial.
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Post by Gonubierat on Jun 27, 2005 14:32:50 GMT -8
Of course if you are NOT a Christian, this argument is invalid. If you are a Christian, you would hopefully recognise the importance of the Government fulfilling God's good and pleasing will.
Of course, I doubt this will happen ever again, untill our time has come to face Judgement. I am pretty confident I am going to be on the recieving end of 'well dont you good a faithful servent'.
I will never oppose a government in power. However, when the Government eventually takes away my religious privilages (which England is begining to do might I add), I will not ever give up praising my God. If I am forced into an underground Church in even the 'democratic' countries, then I will have no choice but to sing even louder of my God.
I love reading Romans Chapter 7. Really speaks to me.
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Post by Gonubierat on Jun 27, 2005 14:34:45 GMT -8
Correct me if I am wrong... but wouldn't that just throw democracy out the window? And, what has religion to do with a politic system? You dodge the question. Whether you are a Christian or not, Christianity has everything to do with the political system, since that dictates how modern society should be living.
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Post by Gonubierat on Jun 27, 2005 14:36:16 GMT -8
rich absolutely nothing .. think about this .. if the supreme court justices ruled on by their religious belief on issues such as abortion.They would be denying the rights of the individual to life liberty and the persuit of happiness, not to mention their right to the freedom of choice.So no religion must stay out of the justice system.It is the only way to get a fair trial. Hmm, It is interesting to note that the word 'freedom' is a common denominator in this discussion. This is just my personal oppinion from studying such ideologies such as freedom and determinism... Wouldn't the idea of Freedom contradict itself?
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Post by ∞ ConqueringWolf ∞ on Jun 27, 2005 14:37:07 GMT -8
And, what has religion to do with a politic system? You dodge the question. Whether you are a Christian or not, Christianity has everything to do with the political system, since that dictates how modern society should be living. why should society be living according to christian morals? that sounds just a bit egotistical and conceited if you ask me.
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Post by ryndell on Jun 27, 2005 14:39:13 GMT -8
You seem not to be getting one point . One very very very important point.Remember the christian crusades, remember torquamada, etc.The united states set itself up where the church has no power over the state, nor does the state have any power over the church.They set themselves up as separate bodies.Neither dictating to one another .
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Post by richndanapoint on Jun 27, 2005 14:46:09 GMT -8
Christianity has everything to do with the political system, since that dictates how modern society should be living. Wrong, It is NOT a fact that government derives its authority from God. That's a misstatement of phenomenal proportions. Government derives its authority from the consent of the governed--from "we the people
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Post by Gonubierat on Jun 27, 2005 14:50:16 GMT -8
You dodge the question. Whether you are a Christian or not, Christianity has everything to do with the political system, since that dictates how modern society should be living. why should society be living according to christian morals? that sounds just a bit egotistical and conceited if you ask me. Aaaag, I had answered this ages ago... and then as soon as you press post reply... too many connections... isn't that always just the way... sumarised: I thought that Mike had provided some form of evidence stating that your society, a majority of 76% do indeed want to live by those Morals. I suppose people will never stop bringin up such items as the crusades. Firstly, i believe alot more horific acts have been created without a Christian authority heading the show. Secondly, there will always be people who will read the bible in a way that suits them. If you took the time to read the Bible, especially the NT, Im sure you would find that it would be highly agaisnt such acts as the Crusades.
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Post by Gonubierat on Jun 27, 2005 14:53:28 GMT -8
Christianity has everything to do with the political system, since that dictates how modern society should be living. Aaag, will all this typing, Im making mistakes. I did not at all mean that Christianity dictates how people should be living, but how the current political system dictates how society should be living. And since the politics dictates how people should live, the Christianity needs to be involved, since it too, and many other religions dictate how people should live. If the two systems conflict (which they will), there is going to be major trouble on the horizon. Wrong, It is NOT a fact that government derives its authority from God. That's a misstatement of phenomenal proportions. Government derives its authority from the consent of the governed--from "we the people
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Post by ryndell on Jun 27, 2005 15:03:39 GMT -8
Firstly god says Thou Shalt Not Kill ... to many religions have not only done this.They have done this in the name of god .Which is what i find worst then every dictator on the planet.They did it because they did not like people.Not because of the name of god.That is why i wish to keep The Government ,and the Church Separate.
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