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Post by ∞ ConqueringWolf ∞ on Jun 27, 2005 15:12:56 GMT -8
Firstly god says Thou Shalt Not Kill ... to many religions have not only done this.They have done this in the name of god .Which is what i find worst then every dictator on the planet.They did it because they did not like people.Not because of the name of god.That is why i wish to keep The Government ,and the Church Separate. Good point....Israelis and everyone else in the middle east are killing in the name of god every day..... as for the 76 % of people....i find that highly exaggerated...and so what....I don;t care if 99% of people want to live by christian morals....our government is not founded on religion.....and expecially not just christianity.....if you found a govt based on christianity you are doing away with the idea that this is a country of religious freedoms.
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Post by ryndell on Jun 27, 2005 15:22:14 GMT -8
That is why the First Admendment was written like it was,because not everyone was christian .There were other faiths and religions .Judaism for one.They do believe in a messiah, they just dont think he came, when christ did,or alot of them dont.Besides Religion does not get you into heaven .That is a false misrepresentation.God does , no matter how you believe in him .But still i say religion must be separate from the state.
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Post by Zoni on Jun 27, 2005 15:29:37 GMT -8
That is why the First Admendment was written like it was,because not everyone was christian .There were other faiths and religions .Judaism for one.They do believe in a messiah, they just dont think he came, when christ did,or alot of them dont.Besides Religion does not get you into heaven .That is a false misrepresentation.God does , no matter how you believe in him .But still i say religion must be separate from the state. although I agree with you on many different topics, Ryn, here is my dispute: My argument (before I left for vocal lessons) was that the freedom of religion of the people who put it there is being violated by taking the statue away. We should not take away from the bowl, but add symbols of other religions, so it becomes a salad and not a melting pot.
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Post by Member 27 on Jun 27, 2005 15:39:09 GMT -8
You've got a point Relentless. But I feel that there should either be something like a religious symbol for each religion, or no religious symbols at all. But if there's a symbol or piece of art for each religion, Satan would contradict Jesus, don't you think?
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Post by ryndell on Jun 27, 2005 15:50:47 GMT -8
It Would be more expedient to just put a general plaque that says :The first Admendment gaurentees you the right to freedom of religions, the state , nor the courts have any juristiction of it.They can not make any law that prohibits you from practicing you religion faith, as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others.
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Post by Zoni on Jun 27, 2005 15:50:49 GMT -8
You've got a point Relentless. But I feel that there should either be something like a religious symbol for each religion, or no religious symbols at all. But if there's a symbol or piece of art for each religion, Satan would contradict Jesus, don't you think? As long as there's a representation of each religion.
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Post by ryndell on Jun 27, 2005 15:52:56 GMT -8
relentless what i posted right before you did, would settle it all i would think.That in a sense represents them all, and none .
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Post by Member 27 on Jun 27, 2005 15:53:22 GMT -8
*agrees with Relentless and ryndell for once * Yup, just as long as they're not putting one religion in the spotlight.
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Post by bryant on Jun 27, 2005 17:50:40 GMT -8
Of course Communism has nothing to do with religons-because it didn't tolerate any.The only church at the time of the Middle Ages was the Catholic Church, so when you said "What the Church did in the Middle Ages" the only possible church you could have implied was the Catholic Church.Again, I will repeat myself: Tell me which Commandment offends you, out of the 10? That's not true at all. It's not about the actual Commandments, it's about what they mean, what they represent. Um, yes, I did add Islam. Read again hun. Hinduism does indeed regard Jesus as a 'god'. And Budhism holds Jesus as a reincarnation of Budha (as far as I am aware - I shall have to double check this lil item). You didn't include it in your combination of Judaism and Christianity. Hinduism believes Jesus to be a reincarnation of Vishnu. This is correct. However, the Hindus believe Buddha to be a reincarnation of Vishnu. Then again, I should remind you that all governments are put in place by God. So whether the rulers are Christian or not, they are there by God's will. Said from a Christian point of view. Of course if you are NOT a Christian, this argument is invalid. If you are a Christian, you would hopefully recognise the importance of the Government fulfilling God's good and pleasing will. I'm sorry, but this is a Republic, not a Theocracy.
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Post by ryndell on Jun 27, 2005 18:01:38 GMT -8
oh and the bit in the pledge of allegiance one nation under god ... that was meant to express that there are religious people here in america... Not implying the state has juristicion of religion, nor does the church hold power over the state.And by the way i believe that "one nation under god" was added to it in the late 40's early 50's .It that part has nothing to do with the constitution.Weez i will agree with on the point of The United States is a Republic, Not a theocracy .
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Post by « tman » on Jun 27, 2005 21:59:29 GMT -8
Correct me if I am wrong... but wouldn't that just throw democracy out the window? And, what has religion to do with a politic system? The bases to many laws in our country came from religion.
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Post by Mary on Jun 27, 2005 23:05:11 GMT -8
rich absolutely nothing .. think about this .. if the supreme court justices ruled on by their religious belief on issues such as abortion.They would be denying the rights of the individual to life liberty and the persuit of happiness, not to mention their right to the freedom of choice.So no religion must stay out of the justice system.It is the only way to get a fair trial. Hahahaha, abortion. That was the WRONG issue to bring up with Christian morals. No Christian morals (except for ones we all agree on, like "thou shalt not murder") are needed to justify a pro life stance on abortion. but anyways...
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Post by Phoenix on Jun 27, 2005 23:09:35 GMT -8
Why is the Suprme Court so against the 10 Commandments? Here's why their wrong: 1) Seperation of Church and State is not even in the Constitution, it was a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to someone. 2) The Bill of Rights states Freedom of Religion, not Freedom from Religion. Thats what the Supreme Court is enforcing here. 3) The entire legal system was based off of Judao-Christain Values, not atheiesm. Swearing on the Bible, etc. If you ask me the Supreme Court is making a Wrong Decision. Is there something wrong with your brain? The supreme court is against it because not all people are christians and not all people believe in god or anything. Plus, if they did that, then it will offend some people and make them angry. They really don't need that. Not at all.
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Post by ryndell on Jun 27, 2005 23:15:15 GMT -8
I believe in god , i am against abortion, but that is my personal belief .The constitution prohibits you forcing you beliefs on others .And um most of the laws throughout the world even the united state law tman are based off of two codes, the roman law, and the code of hammurabi.Most civil law is a combination of the two,at least in freer societies in the world .I brought up the abortion issue not to start a flame war, i brought it up because that is the most prominent point the supreme court has made in the last 40 years.They did not use their religious beliefs to guide them.The constitution prohibits it.They used the freedom of choice, and the life liberty and the persuit of happy nice.An individuals rights over the states rights.The state can not impose something on the person without due process of law.Religions can not Impose anything on a person, unless You belong to That religion.This is how it should be .
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Post by Jim on Jun 27, 2005 23:18:26 GMT -8
i think they should just leave them up, they're not hurting anybody. yea, people have their own beliefs but no one is forcing people to look at or read them. if they are offended or bothered by them, then those are their feelings and they have to understand that not everybody shares their views/opinions about the commandments.
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