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Post by Storm on Sept 1, 2010 9:42:00 GMT -8
I don't see it as 'wrong'. Just like in how Martyn posted that pic in the other thread about how if the woman is not a virgin when she's to be married, she should be executed. Do we see people going around executing women for not being virgins these days? nope. It's called get with the times. People and laws change.
It's like how one of my best friends is in a gay relationship. His sister and her boyfriend was recently put in jail over drug trafficking charges and so her children were split up. The two boys stayed with their aunts because she didn't want them around her 'gay' brother. Yet her daughter was allowed to stay with him for a while.
He then gets this notice that he was deemed inadequate because of being gay and that his mate lives with him. And yet get this. His sister's boyfriend had raped her daughter when she was 11 and she never pressed charges and still is with the guy. Yet they deem my friend, 'inadequate'.
You see what's wrong with this picture? The sort of pain I see him go through because of how people view him and his mate angers me to the core. Especially when they are much much worse than condeming him for his relationship.
I personally hope the two stay in jail for a very long time. Maybe then they might get their wake up call. When you see first hand how a person even sits in the dark and cries for hous because of what people and say and do to him, (he's even been phsycially assaulted for being gay) it gives you a whole new perspective about 'so called Christians'.
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Post by Kalimalian on Sept 1, 2010 10:01:33 GMT -8
So heterosexual couples who don't want children, or are infertile, are unnatural, by that logic? Because they don't or can't reproduce? No. Your examples are not the same as the point I made. What about them? What's your point? I don't disagree In your view. I'll let you into a secret "some people" actually have different views to yours. Life's like that. I'm fine with people have different views, it's when they have ridiculous reasons for them. And use their bias to restrict other people's freedom, too - people like you who discriminate against particular groups of people only contribute to the ongoing fight for equal rights for all. Not equal rights for some. But I suppose you're a poor straight white man, you're so oppressed by those durn homosexuals How are my first examples wrong? The heterosexual couple are incapable of producing children, like a homosexual couple. It doesn't matter that the heterosexual couple 'should' be able to. They can't. So are they the same, reproductively, as a homosexual couple? I've better things to do than continue smashing my head against the wall of discrimination, anyway. Like, studying for my biology degree. And not judging people based on their sexual preference
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Post by Former Member on Sept 1, 2010 10:12:44 GMT -8
For procreation, you're meant to put your wotsit in a thingy. Now, if sex is for pleasure alone, it doesn't matter where you put your wotsit really...as long as it's legal...even a pavement...or so I've heard.
Whatever floats yer boat
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Post by Hero on Sept 1, 2010 10:22:37 GMT -8
This sounds just like your argument about how schools would be forced to teach about it which i proved was wrong in seconds after reading your post. Also as i said (and proved) much of the anti *** propaganda is lies or misunderstanding, eg the teaching in school thing. Something you are still yet to learn. Just because your parents or pastor say something it does not make it true. If they told you ProBoards was a cup of coffee sitting on your desk, would you believe them? No. Try doing your own personal research and making your own decisions on things other than just ridiculous things (you know, like PB secretly being a cup of coffee ^_^) Great, now I've been told by someone on the Internet that I should never again rely on what my parents, who have raised be from the beginning, tell me about the world? "We are born into this world a blank slate, and everyone we meet takes a paintbrush and makes a stroke upon our canvas, and In this manner we grow. But the time comes when we must take up the paintbrush ourselves, for only we can determine if we are to be just another painting or a masterpiece."
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Post by The Lizard King on Sept 1, 2010 11:34:17 GMT -8
I dont know if i'd consider it wrong. gross, yes. wrong? not up to me to tells someone they're wrong. if a dude like another dude, by choice or by birth, natural or unnatural, i dont care. just dont assume that because i'm nice to you, i must be gay too. THATS what annoys me the most. this one kid at my old job was gay. like flamboyantly [sp?] so. but he was funny, so i talked to him at work. then dude asks me on a date. i was like -_-
i dont like the super gay people who act like that stereotypical gay thing. that annoys the hell out of me. no need to flaunt it. makes me think theyre only doing it for attention.
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Post by Michael on Sept 1, 2010 11:38:19 GMT -8
For procreation, you're meant to put your wotsit in a thingy. Now, if sex is for pleasure alone, it doesn't matter where you put your wotsit really...as long as it's legal...even a pavement...or so I've heard.
Whatever floats yer boat I like this post! ---- I tend to not post in homosexuality related topics 'cause last time I did, it didn't end too well. Anyway, I'll quite simply state this: If you're against gay people, you can't have an exception for this. I know many homophobic people who have me as their "exception". Simply down to the fact that I'm their friend. If you're going to hate all of them, hate them all. Oh and hate them for a reason not just 'cause "I don't agree with what they do" or stuff like that. As another member posted earlier in this thread: "I don't hate them, I hate the sin" I think many people could learn from that. At the end of the day, we can't help who we are, or what we're attracted to. I'd love for heterosexuality to be in the same position that homosexuality is at the moment. I'd laugh!
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Post by Roy' on Sept 1, 2010 11:47:01 GMT -8
@ Your question: It's not. Why do you think it is?
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Post by brokenmalice on Sept 1, 2010 11:52:18 GMT -8
First of all, I have to say, I'm very disappointed with most of the replies to this thread so far, especially Dave. This thread was not meant to defend homosexuality; I specifically asked, in addition that people NOT bash or flame people for their beliefs that it's wrong, for people's opinions on why they think it's wrong. It wasn't an open invitation for the people who support it (as awesome as they are) to step in and give the same old arguments as to why the people I specifically invited into this thread are wrong. Like I said, I appreciate that people either support or are indifferent to homosexuality, but just because others state their opinion because I asked them to, it doesn't mean that these people deserve to hear the same pro-homosexuality arguments that are usually posted in threads related to this topic.
Now that I've said that, I'm very interested. For the most part, people who think homosexuality is wrong think so because of religion, but the person who posted that they think it's unnatural because of the physiological aspect had a very interesting argument.
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Post by Thumper on Sept 1, 2010 12:18:06 GMT -8
No. Your examples are not the same as the point I made. What about them? What's your point? I don't disagree In your view. I'll let you into a secret "some people" actually have different views to yours. Life's like that. I'm fine with people have different views, it's when they have ridiculous reasons for them. And use their bias to restrict other people's freedom, too - people like you who discriminate against particular groups of people only contribute to the ongoing fight for equal rights for all. Not equal rights for some. But I suppose you're a poor straight white man, you're so oppressed by those durn homosexuals How are my first examples wrong? The heterosexual couple are incapable of producing children, like a homosexual couple. It doesn't matter that the heterosexual couple 'should' be able to. They can't. So are they the same, reproductively, as a homosexual couple? I've better things to do than continue smashing my head against the wall of discrimination, anyway. Like, studying for my biology degree. And not judging people based on their sexual preference Thought I'd just show you what you wrote. You accuse me of discrimination - where in my comments did I discriminate? I presented my view and some facts. Your supposition at the end is incorrect. Good luck with your degree - and life, as you experience it.
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Post by missty0citty on Sept 1, 2010 13:12:24 GMT -8
I don't see whats wrong with homosexuality, just because some people may think it's not right doesn't mean that it's wrong. I have seen how people think the gay people aren't real people. As a woman I look back on history and not that long ago woman were considered people right? So I think that everyone is a person with their own set of rights and people should mind their own business.
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Post by Former Member on Sept 1, 2010 13:43:36 GMT -8
First of all, I have to say, I'm very disappointed with most of the replies to this thread so far, especially Dave. This thread was not meant to defend homosexuality; I specifically asked, in addition that people NOT bash or flame people for their beliefs that it's wrong, for people's opinions on why they think it's wrong. It wasn't an open invitation for the people who support it (as awesome as they are) to step in and give the same old arguments as to why the people I specifically invited into this thread are wrong. Like I said, I appreciate that people either support or are indifferent to homosexuality, but just because others state their opinion because I asked them to, it doesn't mean that these people deserve to hear the same pro-homosexuality arguments that are usually posted in threads related to this topic. Now that I've said that, I'm very interested. For the most part, people who think homosexuality is wrong think so because of religion, but the person who posted that they think it's unnatural because of the physiological aspect had a very interesting argument. Sorry but you should have known posting about this topic would get you two different answers. It's pretty touchy...
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Post by ToriJ on Sept 1, 2010 13:51:13 GMT -8
Why is homosexuality wrong... At this point I'll merely quote what I've been taught through the years.
"God intended for man and woman to be together. This is clear because the two can easily mate if they wanted. God does not want a man and a man, and a woman and a woman to be together. That is not his plan for his people. Sin is considered open rebellion against God."
I also been taught that homosexuality is not an abomination, that implies that it's unforgivable. No it's a sin like any other and is just as forgivable as all the others through Christ.
Oh a more unrelated note, people please stop using the "Judge not lest ye be judge" quote. It's easy to counter and I'll show you why.
Matthew 7: 3 - 5
Basically all the other person has to say is they removed their plank and now they can remove the speck from your eye...
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Post by Kim on Sept 1, 2010 14:01:12 GMT -8
It's funny how those that have mentioned that being gay is wrong, but I bet you wouldn't change your mind if two hot lesbians starting to engage in sexual acts infront of you. Am I right? Yes.
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Post by Former Member on Sept 1, 2010 15:23:20 GMT -8
Again. For those who do not approve of it let me ask you.
How do their lives effect you?
"It's Not Natural" Gays are going to be in relationships regardless of what you,me, or the government does. Would it hurt for gays to be "legally" married by law? They don't have to have the whole church thing because I doubt they would want to.
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Post by markwesley on Sept 1, 2010 15:47:55 GMT -8
Homosexuality isn't wrong, there is nothing wrong with someone being gay or straight or any other sexuality, people act as if gay people are a disgrace when they are not, they are simply human.
Just because someone is gay does not mean they are horrible people, I happen to live with a gay man (me being straight) which yeah you may think WTF but at the end of the day hes my mate and hes actually a really caring person I also went to a cival partnership where my 2 friends who are male got married, we then went to a cottage where their friends were, I was the only straight guy there.
Did I feel uncomfortable heck no, they are people it does not matter if they are gay or not they are still human and people should start treating them with respect.
Ever heard of the saying "treat others how you want to be treated yourself" exactly.
I think I've said my point.
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