Which one do you think works?

[Former Member]

Which one do you think works? Now before you vote, hear me out. I am being as serious as possible.

I think Dictatorship works. Why? Because when Hitler was in charge of Germany, things got done. Sure the mass killings of the Jews was horrible, but still Hitler brought Germany up from nothing to something. Sure on bad grounds, but it worked. Joseph Stalin brought Russia up, and made things right. Does it work? Yes!

I'm not saying "Lets go the "Big Brother" way". But Do you see Japan, Korea, Canada etc in an economic slump? No!

The American way... The Government... it's funny! Really. Give obese disability because they are not disabled? Sure it's sad they are fat, but they are fat for a reason! Eating to much! (I for one am overweight, but you don't see me asking for disability) Yes I can see giving disability to people with lower than the minimum IQ standards. But obese people are fat for one reason! Eating! (Unless born that way) Lets give Credit cards away! People max out their cards, and then say oh crap! Now I need to file bankruptcy! There's more money out the door! We give millions of dollars to third world countries, like the middle east, but what about our own backdoor? We need to fix our selves before fixing other countries.

The Government doesn't work. It's like going to an elementary school and letting 3 year olds read and sign the bills.

If Dictator ship worked in Germany, Korea, etc, then why can't it work here? seriously!?

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Ok, so everyone knows I would never get into a political stuff, but a friend and I were talking, most of his views I posted. Not all of it is based on facts, and it's somewhat opinion.

So discuss. Please give me a good debate! I think we need one seeing as our last few ones kind of went down the tube.

Prove me wrong that our system works, and that Dictatorship is wrong!

[daniel]

Sept 28, 2010 21:12:16 GMT -8 @tidus90 said:

Prove me wrong that our system works, and that Dictatorship is wrong!

Name a current dictatorship with a healthy and vibrant economy and freedom for the people.

[Former Member]

Like I said, it's mostly based on opinions. I have not read current events, but if things were like how it was 100 years ago, maybe everything would be better?

But if things were like Do this do that, don't like it? To bad! Do it or we'll send you away, or kill you.

Sure sounds terrible, but do you think it's motivational to do stuff?

We take things for granted (and I'm being very contradicting to my self.) I too, take things for granted like Health care, unemployment, etc. If things worked the dictator way, like it did all those years ago, do you think our country would be going down?

[Derek‽]

It's hard to argue that a dictatorship doesn't work. Unlike a democracy (or rather, a true democracy, as most dictatorships have an illusion of democracy) which is bogged down by bureaucratic red tape, the government of a dictatorship gets whatever it has to get done today, not tomorrow. It's not the best government for the people, as it has always interfered with civil liberties, but it's undeniably the most efficient.

Oh, and since when are Canada and Japan dictatorships? They're monarchies, but with a democratic parliament operating the people's government.

[Joshua Farrell]

I prefer the Original American Democracy, before it went down the hole with bad presidents, over the American Democracy you describe, and a dictatorship/.

[Former Member]

Sept 28, 2010 21:48:38 GMT -8 Derek‽ said:

It's hard to argue that a dictatorship doesn't work. Unlike a democracy (or rather, a true democracy, as most dictatorships have an illusion of democracy) which is bogged down by bureaucratic red tape, the government of a dictatorship gets whatever it has to get done today, not tomorrow. It's not the best government for the people, as it has always interfered with civil liberties, but it's undeniably the most efficient.

Oh, and since when are Canada and Japan dictatorships? They're monarchies, but with a democratic parliament operating the people's government.

Agreed. and lol. I know that. I was just saying, are they in a slump? No.

Their own system works, why can't ours? If we had a Queen, King, Dictator, would America be in debt?

[Joshua Farrell]

Sept 28, 2010 21:51:36 GMT -8 @tidus90 said:

Sept 28, 2010 21:48:38 GMT -8 Derek‽ said:

It's hard to argue that a dictatorship doesn't work. Unlike a democracy (or rather, a true democracy, as most dictatorships have an illusion of democracy) which is bogged down by bureaucratic red tape, the government of a dictatorship gets whatever it has to get done today, not tomorrow. It's not the best government for the people, as it has always interfered with civil liberties, but it's undeniably the most efficient.

Oh, and since when are Canada and Japan dictatorships? They're monarchies, but with a democratic parliament operating the people's government.

Agreed. and lol. I know that. I was just saying, are they in a slump? No.

Their own system works, why can't ours? If we had a Queen, King, Dictator, would America be in debt?

American wouldn't be in debt if the government didn't get into people's businesses.

[Former Member]

Sept 28, 2010 21:52:35 GMT -8 Joshua Farrell said:

Sept 28, 2010 21:51:36 GMT -8 @tidus90 said:

Agreed. and lol. I know that. I was just saying, are they in a slump? No.

Their own system works, why can't ours? If we had a Queen, King, Dictator, would America be in debt?

American wouldn't be in debt if the government didn't get into people's businesses.

True.

I brought this up on YouTube, and someone actually wanted their privacy invaded... where they would not mind if the courts ordered camera's in the house, so that things are done right. Then the guy told me to get cancer and die... wow. seriously? haha. I just laughed.

I love my privacy. Which also brings up a Privacy issue. It seems as we cannot have Tarp on a fence, and an $89 fence attached to our house because it blocks the view of our back yard. The fence was for our dogs, so we can actually let them out, and they would not be barking at people, the city said we cannot have any tarp up at all, only because they cannot see into our yard..... >.> Really? They picked our yard that is nice and well kept, in the trashy neighborhood we live in? -_-

That's where our privacy is being invaded, they also fix the same roads every year, but don't fix a new road that has pot holes, and has popped at least 20-30 tires this year. But they still want to dig up and fix the road and put new tar down.... >.>

Sept 28, 2010 21:51:21 GMT -8 Joshua Farrell said:

I prefer the Original American Democracy, before it went down the hole with bad presidents, over the American Democracy you describe, and a dictatorship/.

When did a bad president get elected? Would help me figure out when Democracy died.

[daniel]

Sept 28, 2010 21:51:21 GMT -8 Joshua Farrell said:

I prefer the Original American Democracy, before it went down the hole with bad presidents, over the American Democracy you describe, and a dictatorship/.

You mean back when only wealthy, white men had any say in it? Oh, the good ol' days...

[Division by Zero]

When presented with an ultimatum such as this the logical option is to choose the most efficient, regardless of what ideology that system espouses. Neither are appealing, though the question was about the fluidity of the system.

A pure Democratic system will always fail due to the fact that most people are too stupid to make any informed decisions. Debate provides no resolution among the ignorant. Too much time is spent wasted on irrelevant politics and once a conclusion is made it is usually incorrect. A Dictatorship, for the most part, can circumvent such politics by brute force alone. If the decision is incorrect, it has the capability to adapt very quickly to whatever is necessary.

[Derek‽]

Sept 28, 2010 21:51:36 GMT -8 @tidus90 said:

If we had a Queen, King, Dictator, would America be in debt?

The UK has a Queen, and while I don't know any exact figures, I am aware that they have a fairly substantial debt as well. Canada also holds a sizable debt, though not as high as that of the UK or US. The type of leader matters very little in that regard, and in neither of the aforementioned countries does the monarch hold much governmental power.

It's also worth noting that while the US may have the largest debt in the world, it also has the largest economy. The only way a dictator would be able to reduce our debt and still keep our economy going would be to just invade countries we owe or otherwise trade with for essential products, which only a dictator could do without opposition. A new type of government doesn't necessarily insure economic prosperity; it takes strong leaders for that.

[huskette]

Sept 28, 2010 21:48:38 GMT -8 Derek‽ said:

Oh, and since when are Canada and Japan dictatorships? They're monarchies, but with a democratic parliament operating the people's government.

This! Canada's a confederation, we really don't think of ourselves as a monarchy. The Queen really doesn't have much to do with running the country at all... In fact the only time I remember the monarchy getting even indirectly involved with our affairs of state is when the governor general granted the prime minister's request to prorogue parliament a few years back. And that was the GG, not the queen, even though the GG is technically her representative...

We do have a system that is different from the states, but it is still a democracy with an elected government that does make decisions independently from the monarchy. The Queen is our head of state, not our head of government. There's a difference. Yes, our policies are more... socialist, let's say, than many US policies, but that isn't because we're run by a single person...

There isn't just the american way vs dictatorships, your poll needs more options. I vote neither.

[D]

First of all you have to say how you measure the degree to which it "works". Is "working well" based upon the amount of capital which the economy of the country accumulates, is it based on the successfulness in conflict in order to expand, or is it (god forbid!) measured by the happiness and contentedness of its citizens?

Second of all you have a very naive view of serious social issues and international issues. A lot of people aren't obese because they're gluttonous. They're obese because they live in an extremely poor area, possibly a ghetto, and the only food available to them is cheap, but high fat/calorie ready meals and various other cheap foods.

Third, The Middle East is not a country. Yes, America donates or gives money to countries there. But which are you referring to? There's a very different reason they'd give money to Israel than the reason they helped Pakistan out with their recent disaster.

[Storm]

Sept 29, 2010 0:17:19 GMT -8 D said:

First of all you have to say how you measure the degree to which it "works". Is "working well" based upon the amount of capital which the economy of the country accumulates, is it based on the successfulness in conflict in order to expand, or is it (god forbid!) measured by the happiness and contentedness of its citizens?

Second of all you have a very naive view of serious social issues and international issues. A lot of people aren't obese because they're gluttonous. They're obese because they live in an extremely poor area, possibly a ghetto, and the only food available to them is cheap, but high fat/calorie ready meals and various other cheap foods.

Don't forget to include those that have medical disorders that cause obesity as well.

[Zephyr]

I wouldn't support Stalin's methods to achieve economic growth.