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Post by Patrick [ASE] on Nov 29, 2011 14:09:51 GMT -8
As said where in MM mode because of the spammers and soon to be moving to another service. Can you let us know how quick the new service will react on a Sunday if it gets hit by a similar attack ? From the time i saw the problem to Martyn sorting it out was about 10-15 mins, Martyn wasn't online at the time, so i called him. That says it all for me.
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Post by gfx25 on Nov 29, 2011 14:12:16 GMT -8
As said where in MM mode because of the spammers and soon to be moving to another service. Can you let us know how quick the new service will react on a Sunday if it gets hit by a similar attack ? From the time i saw the problem to Martyn sorting it out was about 10-15 mins, Martyn wasn't online at the time, so i called him. That says it all for me. That's up to Zinc if he wants to reopen the forum but I doubt he decides to. The other staff are pretty annoyed with it also. I'll show him this post though if he misses it. Chances are though if they do go to court they could use this image as a proof of witness. Or what ever it's called.
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Post by Storm on Nov 29, 2011 14:12:35 GMT -8
Well, I did miss that then. But the point being, the admins can't just tell everyone what they are doing to take care of it. And, did you even go to the support board to ask for help with the spamming issue? If you hadn't, then that's not their fault either. They gave people the tools to help with taking care of this. It takes time to track things down. Just like when people get warnings. It's not anyone else's business what happened to the person that got the warning. Just because it looks like it wasn't taken care of, doesn't mean it wasn't. I sent Ricky tons of PMs, since I'm not the main admin it's not really my place to announce it but since we all took part in cleaning up the forum I feel that I should at least let them know. I'm a gmod on that site if your wondering, and before the spam attacks that site was a very fun place to kick back at. All they did was tell us to limit reg and turn on MM mode which we have done numerous times we've been hit with spam about 8 different times. Theres 21 threads there in that image and it's not conversation what so ever it's just spam posts. Well, it's kind of hard do to anything when your not the main admin of the forum. It could be too that someone was banned from there, or they just simply didn't like the forum. It happens. You did what you could do with the powers you had. Proboards is doing what they can within legal limits of their abilities. It just takes time to build up a case against people like this that harass and spam others. Most of the time not even the internet companies will do anything. It's a very tricky thing to get enough proof especially when spammers use proxies for instance to spam a forum.
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Post by gfx25 on Nov 29, 2011 14:13:47 GMT -8
I sent Ricky tons of PMs, since I'm not the main admin it's not really my place to announce it but since we all took part in cleaning up the forum I feel that I should at least let them know. I'm a gmod on that site if your wondering, and before the spam attacks that site was a very fun place to kick back at. All they did was tell us to limit reg and turn on MM mode which we have done numerous times we've been hit with spam about 8 different times. Theres 21 threads there in that image and it's not conversation what so ever it's just spam posts. Well, it's kind of hard do to anything when your not the main admin of the forum. It could be too that someone was banned from there, or they just simply didn't like the forum. It happens. You did what you could do with the powers you had. Proboards is doing what they can within legal limits of their abilities. It just takes time to build up a case against people like this that harass and spam others. Most of the time not even the internet companies will do anything. It's a very tricky thing to get enough proof especially when spammer use proxies for instance to spam a forum. Which is why I suggested that their should be some sort of way to see the users ip even if they are using a proxy, the main admin can already see logged IPs so I dont see what the difference is.
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Post by Storm on Nov 29, 2011 14:15:11 GMT -8
Well, it's kind of hard do to anything when your not the main admin of the forum. It could be too that someone was banned from there, or they just simply didn't like the forum. It happens. You did what you could do with the powers you had. Proboards is doing what they can within legal limits of their abilities. It just takes time to build up a case against people like this that harass and spam others. Most of the time not even the internet companies will do anything. It's a very tricky thing to get enough proof especially when spammer use proxies for instance to spam a forum. Which is why I suggested that their should be some sort of way to see the users ip even if they are using a proxy, the main admin can already see logged IPs so I dont see what the difference is. It's all about privacy Kenneth. If I had a choice between having members and not knowing where they were and having to expose ip's of where they were and lose them, I'd rather have my members.
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Post by gfx25 on Nov 29, 2011 14:16:29 GMT -8
Which is why I suggested that their should be some sort of way to see the users ip even if they are using a proxy, the main admin can already see logged IPs so I dont see what the difference is. It's all about privacy Kenneth. If I had a choice between having members and not knowing where they were and having to expose ip's of where they were and lose them, I'd rather have my members. IPs already show your home adress, besides if your a part of a forum where you don't trust the main admin why are you their in the first place?
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Martyn Dale
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Post by Martyn Dale on Nov 29, 2011 14:17:34 GMT -8
Well, it's kind of hard do to anything when your not the main admin of the forum. It could be too that someone was banned from there, or they just simply didn't like the forum. It happens. You did what you could do with the powers you had. Proboards is doing what they can within legal limits of their abilities. It just takes time to build up a case against people like this that harass and spam others. Most of the time not even the internet companies will do anything. It's a very tricky thing to get enough proof especially when spammer use proxies for instance to spam a forum. Which is why I suggested that their should be some sort of way to see the users ip even if they are using a proxy, the main admin can already see logged IPs so I dont see what the difference is. You know its impossible to find out a users IP when they are using a proxy without subpoenaing the proxy company right? And thats even assuming its a proxy service and not just a compromised server. If people jump from proxy to proxy when a given proxy is banned, what more is it that you think could be done?
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Martyn Dale
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Post by Martyn Dale on Nov 29, 2011 14:18:17 GMT -8
It's all about privacy Kenneth. If I had a choice between having members and not knowing where they were and having to expose ip's of where they were and lose them, I'd rather have my members. IPs already show your home adress, besides if your a part of a forum where you don't trust the main admin why are you their in the first place? IPs do not show your home address. The most they show is the address of your internet PROVIDER. To get anything more you need a court ordered subpoena
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Post by Storm on Nov 29, 2011 14:18:26 GMT -8
It's all about privacy Kenneth. If I had a choice between having members and not knowing where they were and having to expose ip's of where they were and lose them, I'd rather have my members. IPs already show your home adress, besides if your a part of a forum where you don't trust the main admin why are you their in the first place? lol! You have a point, but did you know the members before you met them before they became members of your site? har! And my ip address doesn't give my address. It shows my home city, but not my address.
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Post by gfx25 on Nov 29, 2011 14:21:09 GMT -8
IPs already show your home adress, besides if your a part of a forum where you don't trust the main admin why are you their in the first place? IPs do not show your home address. The most they show is the address of your internet PROVIDER. To get anything more you need a court ordered subpoena Bleh I got it confused with a dns you know though if I type in proboards.com on a domain search it'd show all their contact information and what not. I'm sure theirs something that you guys could come up with to block out proxy sites the problem being though mistaken it for an isp. Bleh I dunno I think you get where I'm coming from
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Patrick [ASE]
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Post by Patrick [ASE] on Nov 29, 2011 14:21:12 GMT -8
It's not just proxies, Dynamic IP's mean that a person could change IP's easily. Mine is dynamic, all i need to do is disconnect and reconnect, and i'm on a different IP. Also, with the amount of users, many ISP's share IP's between users in an area, it's possible to have 2 people in neighbouring towns sharing the same IP at the same time.
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Post by NetMaster on Nov 29, 2011 14:22:59 GMT -8
I'll give an example: In my house we use a wireless router. This router has a singular IP address that all the computers in our house use. If someone bans our IP address in an attempt to stop say myself from logging on, they also block others who use our wireless (which is just us since we use security). It would be the same for a proxy server or in this case: Campus wireless or network. By blocking the server ProBoards would be blocking all students on campus. You can't punish all because of the actions of one.
It's always a tricky battle trying to block just one person when so many options are available. Hence why it took the time it did to resolve the issue.
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Post by ukschalke on Nov 29, 2011 14:25:20 GMT -8
IPs already show your home adress mine doesnt,it just gives the name of my internet provider and the location of my ip address but it doesnt tell you where i am actually at or my home address
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Post by gfx25 on Nov 29, 2011 14:26:35 GMT -8
I'll give an example: In my house we use a wireless router. This router has a singular IP address that all the computers in our house use. If someone bans our IP address in an attempt to stop say myself from logging on, they also block others who use our wireless (which is just us since we use security). It would be the same for a proxy server or in this case: Campus wireless or network. By blocking the server ProBoards would be blocking all students on campus. You can't punish all because of the actions of one. It's always a tricky battle trying to block just one person when so many options are available. Hence why it took the time it did to resolve the issue. ^Limited reg is just as trick and this is a good example why, so even if we turn that on theirs a chance we'll accept the spammer and not know it.
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Martyn Dale
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Post by Martyn Dale on Nov 29, 2011 14:28:32 GMT -8
IPs do not show your home address. The most they show is the address of your internet PROVIDER. To get anything more you need a court ordered subpoena Bleh I got it confused with a dns you know though if I type in proboards.com on a domain search it'd show all their contact information and what not. I'm sure theirs something that you guys could come up with to block out proxy sites the problem being though mistaken it for an isp. Bleh I dunno I think you get where I'm coming from Yes, i know what you are trying to say, but you are getting it very wrong. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of IPs that are either public proxies open proxies, open proxies by vulnerability (eg hacked and made to be an open proxy), open proxy by bad setup (where a sysadmin makes an open proxy by accident) and not to mention all the people you hear with botnet infections. All of those machines could be used as proxies. In the case of botnet infected PC's you are then talking about blocking legitimate ISPs. In the case of proxies themselves, the sheer number makes this impractical. 1. There is no single list of proxies anywhere 2. Even if there was, it changes so rapidly every hour no company would ever be on top of it 3. Even if there was a list, the sheer number of entries to test against would result in very slow pageload times 4. If every compromised server was known, do you think that you would get spam in your email accounts? Clearly Google are terrible for not blocking 100% of spam and keeping up with open proxies used for mail. Now if you were trying to debate the merits of an improved system for detecting spammers, or blocking people from PMs, that would be a valid discussion point. We could talk about things that could be changed in the short term, and what is coming for the long term. All your talk of blocking every proxy, and detecting who it is, is not just impractical, its impossible (unless we just block all traffic of course) I'll give an example: In my house we use a wireless router. This router has a singular IP address that all the computers in our house use. If someone bans our IP address in an attempt to stop say myself from logging on, they also block others who use our wireless (which is just us since we use security). It would be the same for a proxy server or in this case: Campus wireless or network. By blocking the server ProBoards would be blocking all students on campus. You can't punish all because of the actions of one. It's always a tricky battle trying to block just one person when so many options are available. Hence why it took the time it did to resolve the issue. This is also true, in investigating the issue we found many members of that college using the forums for legitimate purposes. Some with very active forums and accounts.
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