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Post by authenticbowlcut on Mar 18, 2017 5:19:59 GMT -8
Forum URL: turbohud.freeforums.net/Hello. I'm just your average joe who has been online since 1996 and I have to say that I'm pretty disgusted with the internet in 2017. turbohud.freeforums.net was shut down citing which I'm sure is a common reason for closing websites where you don't really have a good reason or else you would have cited an actual supposed rule broken. Why would I want to use your service when this website was shut down seemingly without good reason? I want a website service that allows people to create controversial websites--and the one you shut down wasn't even controversial, illegal, or shady. It was a legitimate, good, free service offered to people. I don't know anything about the service you offer but I certainly won't be recommending it to anybody under any circumstance when you arbitrarily shut down websites. I don't see the point at all. Thanks for making the internet great in 2017. I guess we're going back to usenet where we can actually still sort of say and do what we want without being censored, silenced, and banned.
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Post by moonbeam on Mar 18, 2017 6:12:18 GMT -8
Well, after some googling, it would appear that your site was a major one about how to cheat at a game. Did you consider that someone reported your site and when the abuse team investigated, *they* felt your site was, in fact, "controversial, illegal, or shady"?
I doesn't look like your site was the only one that had action take against it by Blizzard (maybe). Not familiar with any part of the game. However, PB doesn't make a habit of just shutting down sites willy nilly because that causes them to lose revenue. They obviously felt there was a valid complaint, versus random censorship as you accuse them of.
You can always email abuseteam@proboards.com, if you wish. TOS violations are handled by them, not here on the forum, as they are a separate group.
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Post by authenticbowlcut on Mar 18, 2017 6:23:17 GMT -8
It's not a cheat. It's essentially a HUD addon. It improves the ability for players to see important cooldowns and things. It doesn't give you the ability to teleport, to have more power, to modify your items or anything. If this was the case, every person using it would be banned. In fact, Blizzard has used it to improve their own UI. It isn't illegal.
Let's say that it was a cheat. Let's say it allowed you to do things you're not supposed to do in Diablo III. How is it any of your business? It's free. It's not being sold. If Blizzard has a problem with the HUD improvement, they will ban players who use it. Why are you even getting involved?
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Post by moonbeam on Mar 18, 2017 6:28:12 GMT -8
I'm just giving a possible reason WHY your site was shut down. That's all. Also trying to let you know that PB really doesn't like to just shut sites down for no reason, but that the decision is ultimately made by the abuse team. The admins here on support have nothing to do with it.
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Post by authenticbowlcut on Mar 18, 2017 6:39:41 GMT -8
Thank you for the reply. I have sent an email to the one you provided. Again, I wasn't the owner of that site but I was a visitor who feels this was a either a mistake or a wholesale jab in the gut to user freedom.
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Post by darkevil123 on Mar 18, 2017 7:25:40 GMT -8
I'm just giving a possible reason WHY your site was shut down. That's all. Also trying to let you know that PB really doesn't like to just shut sites down for no reason, but that the decision is ultimately made by the abuse team. The admins here on support have nothing to do with it. Even you don't know why. Why make up stuff in the first place? Oh, and authenticbowlcut. You know moonbeam is just trolling you right. He knows nothing as well about this. Just making things up as it goes.
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Post by ?adwoman? on Mar 18, 2017 7:40:28 GMT -8
Thank you for the reply. I have sent an email to the one you provided. Again, I wasn't the owner of that site but I was a visitor who feels this was a either a mistake or a wholesale jab in the gut to user freedom. the owner of the site has to be the one to email the abuse department if they want it back fyi
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Post by Kami on Mar 18, 2017 7:41:08 GMT -8
Aaand this is why we simply direct folks to email the abuse department instead of trying to hypothesise the whys of a deletion :X authenticbowlcut - Blizzard has some pretty strict rules regarding what are and are not acceptable ways to mod a game, but whether or not that plays a part in why the forum was removed is not something anyone here on Support can tell you since (as was stated) the abuse department is separate from the technical support forum (here). Are you the creator of the above forum? Did you log into the username: admin account frequently? Generally speaking when forums are removed they fit one of two categories -- a) the purpose of the forum is contrary to the TOS that was agreed to, or b) a warning was issued to the admin account that was not handled within the timeframe specified. Unfortunately, however, if you are not the holder of the aforementioned account, the abuse department cannot divulge any details, since their hosting agreement is between the admin and them. EDIT: That said, upon digging through Blizzard forums it looks like TurboHUD by the creator's own admission is a bannable offense from D3 due to how Warden detects it / can't differentiate between it and a bot so... perhaps there is some truth to Moonbeam's hypothesis after all. Regardless of the grey area of whether or not it's 'cheating' or not, the Blizzard TOS doesn't allow for it by the letter (though obviously, whether or not it's enforced truly is another matter). But the point is we don't know; based on our experience and why forums commonly get taken down, we have some reasonable conjecture, but that's all it is: conjecture. The creator of the forum should email the abuse department if they're interested in doing so.
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Post by moonbeam on Mar 18, 2017 8:22:42 GMT -8
I'm just giving a possible reason WHY your site was shut down. That's all. Also trying to let you know that PB really doesn't like to just shut sites down for no reason, but that the decision is ultimately made by the abuse team. The admins here on support have nothing to do with it. Even you don't know why. Why make up stuff in the first place? Oh, and authenticbowlcut. You know moonbeam is just trolling you right. He knows nothing as well about this. Just making things up as it goes. I'm neither trolling nor making stuff up. I offered a *possible* explanation. No more, no less. I also provided the means to contact the appropriate group.
PS. I'm a she, not a he.
Peace out.
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Post by authenticbowlcut on Mar 18, 2017 8:23:03 GMT -8
Aaand this is why we simply direct folks to email the abuse department instead of trying to hypothesise the whys of a deletion :X authenticbowlcut - Blizzard has some pretty strict rules regarding what are and are not acceptable ways to mod a game, but whether or not that plays a part in why the forum was removed is not something anyone here on Support can tell you since (as was stated) the abuse department is separate from the technical support forum (here). Are you the creator of the above forum? Did you log into the username: admin account frequently? Generally speaking when forums are removed they fit one of two categories -- a) the purpose of the forum is contrary to the TOS that was agreed to, or b) a warning was issued to the admin account that was not handled within the timeframe specified. Unfortunately, however, if you are not the holder of the aforementioned account, the abuse department cannot divulge any details, since their hosting agreement is between the admin and them. EDIT: That said, upon digging through Blizzard forums it looks like TurboHUD by the creator's own admission is a bannable offense from D3 due to how Warden detects it / can't differentiate between it and a bot so... perhaps there is some truth to Moonbeam's hypothesis after all. Regardless of the grey area of whether or not it's 'cheating' or not, the Blizzard TOS doesn't allow for it by the letter (though obviously, whether or not it's enforced truly is another matter). But the point is we don't know; based on our experience and why forums commonly get taken down, we have some reasonable conjecture, but that's all it is: conjecture. The creator of the forum should email the abuse department if they're interested in doing so. Thanks for the insight. I have no problem with rules on websites and forums and such -- private businesses have that right to make up any rules. I just stated that for me personally, it reminds me when Julian Assange was stripped of his internet and Verizon stepped up to help him out: www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/57w25l/verizon_to_help_the_assanges_internet/That was a great gesture by Verizon. I want to see more of that. If any other forum steps up in the same way for TurboHUD, I'm just saying Pro Boards is going to appear less appealing. I'm not saying TurboHUD didn't deserve it--maybe something happened behind the scenes--but if it has to do with violation of somebody else's Terms of Use (in this case, Blizzard). That doesn't make sense to me. I disagree with any website that will shut down a website not because it's against the law, but because it's possibly against some third party, private business's ToS. It'd be like shutting down a forum that recruits homosexual people to sneak into the Boy Scouts of America to defy their discrimination against LGBT and you shut it down not because it's against the law, but against the Boy Scouts rules. That's terrible.
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Post by Kami on Mar 18, 2017 8:27:24 GMT -8
authenticbowlcut - I have no further comment, really, since even if you disagree with this personally, the creator of the forum DID agree to abide by said terms (including this one) when they registered a forum on ProBoards' service. So, you'll have to take it up with them for registering on a forum that either a) they knew could remove their content, or b) for not reading the TOS fully. Third party claims do have a reasonable expectation of being able to ask other places to abide by their content. Whether or not this applies in this case is entirely dependent on whether or not they were even a contributing factor in the removal. As I said: it was only a hypothesis and can only be confirmed by PB to the creator of the forum.
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