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Post by Kami on Dec 23, 2022 13:24:10 GMT -8
Kami Do you share your link or no? Maybe one day I won't be scared to confront members. Not right now no, we're currently renovating.
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Post by Kami on Dec 23, 2022 10:35:59 GMT -8
A little CSS can take care of both of these. <style>
.button.quote-button[role="button"] { display: none; }
.info > .date { display: none; }
</style> True, tho I generally advise putting the CSS in the theme style sheet to take advantage of caching, in which case the style tags are unnecessary (which you know of course, but stating so for those who might not). OP could also delete those items from the layout templates without any need for additional coding or CSS. As a caveat: they will still show on the mobile version of the forum regardless of method.
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Post by Kami on Dec 22, 2022 7:26:27 GMT -8
You can turn off likes in the admin panel instead of hiding the button. I do not advise removing the gear button. This contains critical functions for both regular users and users with staff and moderation powers, such as deleting a post, linking to a post, or reporting a post. May I ask why you want to remove the gear button? just wanted less information on the screen but you're right, the gear is an important part, what about hiding the quote button? is it possible? and the date & time as well It's possible, yes, but again I have to wonder if that's wise? Are you willing to sacrifice the members' ability to quote specific posts & know when posts were made for aesthetic purposes? I sympathise with the desire to have minimal bells and whistles but these are just basic functions. If you still want them to go, I can walk you through that. However a) you'd need to be comfortable editing HTML & CSS, and b) you'd need to be OK with people on mobile devices not seeing these changes and still being able to access both functions.
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Post by Kami on Dec 22, 2022 6:41:55 GMT -8
Hi, I hope this is in the right place. Is there a way to hide this part on posts? You can turn off likes in the admin panel instead of hiding the button. I do not advise removing the gear button. This contains critical functions for both regular users and users with staff and moderation powers, such as deleting a post, linking to a post, or reporting a post. May I ask why you want to remove the gear button?
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Post by Kami on Dec 21, 2022 12:22:11 GMT -8
Thanks This is helping Did you either have a problem where an issue on one forum spilled over to yours? Like two members had a disagreement somewhere else and then realized they were on yours and or spilled over Sure wish people could be adults Yep. In no uncertain terms I told them to leave it at the door, and when one of them didn't comply they got banned. I have a VERY strict "no dirty laundry in public" policy, meaning that if two members have a problem with each other, they're not allowed to have it spill over into the public forum. If they keep it to PMs, that's their business, unless someone starts breaking the TOS and I hear about it (harassing, threatening, etc). If it spills out onto the forum, they get 1 warning. If it continues, they're suspended for a week. If they come back and persist, they're banned. Like, for what it's worth, the only reason my sites are drama free are because I don't tolerate that kind of behaviour. A forum isn't a democracy, it's a benevolent dictatorship. I'm not saying to be a jerk, but ultimately it's YOUR forum. YOU are responsible for the wellbeing of your community, and sometimes that means that actions have consequences.
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Post by Kami on Dec 21, 2022 11:25:12 GMT -8
Honestly, the hard truth is you won't be able to have your cake and eat it too. If your members are feuding, regardless of why, eventually, you will have to make a choice to either: 1. do nothing and tell them that you're not getting involved, and let the drama spill unchecked 2. pick a side 3. suspend them both temporarily (or ban them both if they don't quit) Yeah, ideally, everyone is mature and knocks this sort of behaviour off or at least sorts it out in private, but if the behaviour is going to (and it sounds like it already has) spill into the community areas then you're going to, eventually, need to choose. This is one of the downsides of being a community manager: sometimes, people in your community suck. For whatever it's worth, this is my guidepost always: what is best for THE COMMUNITY as a WHOLE? Forget these two people and how you feel about them. How is this impacting everyone else in the community? Are people being forced to pick sides? Are cliques forming? Are people getting fed up with the behaviour? Not being willing to reprimand people for behaving inappropriately is, in my very many years of experience on this scene, is one of the biggest causes for members leaving a forum. Gently, you need to put your personal feelings aside and figure out what your community needs -- this forum isn't about the two people fighting, it's about everyone else having a place they can come to and have a good time with others. I am scared that time out will make tempers hotter and make reactions worse when they return So, there is no action for now that I am taking. Gently, if you are afraid of your members being poopstains because they were told to behave better, they're probably not the kind of members that will foster a good community. I mean this in the gentlest, kindest of ways, but you need to buck up and run your forum, instead of letting two members frighten you into behaving how they want you to. Its your forum, your community. What kind of message about the kind of community you're building are you sending to the rest of your members by allowing this behaviour to go unchecked?
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Post by Kami on Dec 21, 2022 10:57:59 GMT -8
the above works just fine! alternatively, though: 1. upload the images to the theme itself (admin > theme manager > hover over theme you want > click images button; scroll to the very bottom of the page and upload under the "custom theme images" section). IMPORTANT: Make sure you name the image something recogniseable, like "new_thread_icon". 2. Admin > Themes > Layout Templates. Make sure the theme you want is selected in the upper left. Select the BOARD LIST page, then click the THREAD LIST tab on the subsequent page. 3. Find this line, around line 3: <td class="icon">$[thread.icon]</td> Change that to: <td class="icon"> {if $[thread.is_new]}{else}$[thread.icon] {/if}</td> 4. Click between }{ so your cursor is between them. 5. On the right-hand side of the screen should be a list of stuff in the "loops and variables" box. Scroll all the way down until you find the one that says THEME, and drop down the options. Find your image (if you used my example in step one, it should read "new_thread_icon"). 6. click on the image you uploaded's name to make sure it's highlighted. On the bottom left of the loop and variables box, there's a button that says < Insert. With your image name still highlighted, click that button. What should happen is that the custom variable for you image should then populate where your cursor was, leading to something that looks like this:<td class="icon">{if $[thread.is_new]}$[theme.image.new_thread_icon]{else}$[thread.icon]{/if}</td>7. Find this line, around line 8: <td>$[thread.icons]</td> Change to this: <td> {if !$[thread.is_new]}$[thread.icons ]{/if}</td> (made the ! bold and red to make sure you get that in there, as this tells the template "not", as in if the thread is NOT new) 8. Save changes. Should look something like this now: Personally, I prefer this method over using CSS or Javascript since it's a bit faster in my opinion. It's technically only 3 line changes + uploading an image, the steps are just broken down to be as easy as possible to follow along if you're not familiar.
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Post by Kami on Dec 20, 2022 20:12:17 GMT -8
I know the bump stop plugin. But people just bypass it on their phones. How can you lock thousands of old threads to get people to not bump them? Simply put, you can't. The way pagination works, you'd still have to do a select all on the board for each new page, and do it for every board. There are a few suggestions I have, but none of them would be one-click solutions. Method 1: Manually lock everything on every board beyond a certain date Method 2: Create an archive system use the search function on each board to search for dates older than whatever your cut off is, then move those threads in batches. Moving forward, after you decide how much effort you want to put into retroactive archiving, I'd lock threads after a certain time period right off the rip Sorry it's not an easier solve!
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Post by Kami on Dec 19, 2022 12:53:18 GMT -8
Gotcha. Is the screencap in my first post not sufficient? Unfortunately, no — while screencaps show us the end effect, there are multiple potential ways that sort of effect can be applied; without the theme itself being accessible to guests, it is impossible to pinpoint the specific method used. I'd hazard a guess and say it's in that theme's CSS somewhere (as opposed to the layout templates, a plug-in, or headers/footers) but I can't be certain from just an image.
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Post by Kami on Dec 18, 2022 16:24:53 GMT -8
It doesn't look like the theme referenced is the default theme, so guests can't view; if you could temporarily set it to default (this won't mess up any of your members' currently selected theme, and you can change it back to the current default with no issue) so I can look at the coding being used, that'd be great! If you don't want to do that, then I recommend posting in the regular support board as only an admin will be able to see it.
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Post by Kami on Dec 16, 2022 19:04:41 GMT -8
Can you provide a URL to your forum?
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Post by Kami on Dec 16, 2022 18:44:38 GMT -8
Okay, that makes WAY more sense. Thanks so much for your help, I think I got it from here <3 Any time! Best of luck :)
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Post by Kami on Dec 16, 2022 14:36:22 GMT -8
This is all great stuff, thanks so much for spelling it out for me With the visual editor, if I only change it at the top does that mean that it gets applied to all of the Text options? Yep! Basically it sets what the default font is for that forum, provided you use one of the fonts in that list. For what it's worth: CSS stands for Cascading Style Sheets, and the Visual Editor actually just a user-friendly interface that plops whatever values you put in directly to the stylesheet, just with the CSS version of what you inputted. It's also structured in a cascading way because of this, so whatever you specify at the "top" of the visual editor has a cascading effect through everything below it, unless you specifically change that element lower down in the list.
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Post by Kami on Dec 16, 2022 12:10:18 GMT -8
That would be fabulous, my own knowledge of accessibility tools is limited to user feedback and Google, so any clarification you can provide would be great! Sure! So, theoretically, the reason fonts like OpenDyslexic (and similar) allegedly work is because of the way the letters themselves are shaped. Most people think of dyslexia as letters wiggling or "jumping" around on the page (so someone that reads the word 'dog', might get the letters mixed up and visually see 'ogd' or 'god' or 'dgo'). OpenDyslexic and fonts of this nature use this conception and are designed combat the wiggling / moving letters by introducing letters who visually are weighted (thicker) towards the bottom of the letter to "ground" them, and clear visual identities for each letter. Unfortunately, that's a really old misconception of how dyslexia "works"; dyslexia actually has many manifestations, like words being compressed together to be a jumbled overlapping mess, or (in my case) words actually being fine on paper and your brain literally just not interpreting it correctly after your eyes take it in. Other people may experience physical symptoms of dizziness or illness, they may have trouble remembering what words look like even though they've seen them before, and so on. OpenDyslexic and fonts like it don't do anything to address these manifestations of dyslexia (and note that one person may experience multiple symptoms simultaneously). Anecdotally as someone who likes OpenDyslexic and has it set as my font of choice on Kindle, it's helpful but it wouldn't recommend it over another font. It helps with clarity, especially at larger sizes, but I still get letters confused and have to re-read passages. OpenDyslexic and the other fonts like it are an interesting attempt at addressing some of the common issues dyslexic people experience, but ultimately there is no evidence that they work any better or worse than fonts that follow best practices for legibility. [Additional reading: 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5] Ultimately, the key to accessible fonts is spacing (kerning) and clarity between each letter. Fonts that are accessible for wide arrays of people with reading impairments have the following characteristics: - Ample kerning between letters -- this is the default spacing between letters. You can sort of mimic this in CSS with the letterspacing property, but it's not the best substitution. Kerning prevents letters from touching each other, which helps with clarity for each individual letter.
- Sans-serif styles -- sans-serif fonts are fonts without "tails" or embellishments at the end of the letters; serif fonts are most commonly found in "typewriter" style font families, like Times New Roman. Sans-serif (as in without serfis) fonts don't have these, like Arial, Verdana, Comic Sans, etc.
- Distinct lettering -- there are some letters that look very visually similar to one another, so having distinct differences between them can be very useful. The most common culprits of this are:
- b d
- p q
- c e
- l I (this is lower case L and upper case i)
- Font thickness -- while some bold / italic text is not a big deal, fonts that are super thick / are block letters can create a big problem (due to lack of visual clarity) for people with dyslexia (example: the Impact font family).
- Capitalisation -- ALLCAPS is not a huge deal when used sparingly, and if one is mindful of spacing and how each letter is stylised, but all-caps in sentence or paragraph text is generally illegible.
You're not going to find a single font that is perfect in all aspects for these, but there are some that are quite good. From the web-safe options, Arial, Verdana, and Comic Sans are likely the best (Comic Sans gets a bad rap, but a lot of people with dyslexia actually quite like it for reading, even if it's not particularly pretty). From the "stuff you can find online that people like to use, eg Google Fonts" category, I particularly like: The great thing about Google Fonts is they provide an @import code that you can plop into your CSS stylesheet, and then 1 line of CSS can apply it everywhere on your forum and that's it. I don't think I use web-safe fonts anymore with the advent of Google Fonts, as the options there that are dyslexia-friendly are numerous and stylistically more pleasing to me. I hope this helps! Let me know if you want instructions on how to add a Google Font (or any font, just note that if it isn't hosted somewhere, like Google's fonts are hosted on Google's servers and you'll have to host it yourself) to your forum.
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Post by Kami on Dec 16, 2022 8:29:07 GMT -8
I appreciate the in-depth answer, that does make a lot more sense. I've already considered cloning skins to make accessible versions available, but already know that that will take a lot of time on my part; is there no way to streamline changing, say, the fonts to all be the same font family? Or am I doomed to just have to expand all of those menus in the visual editor? (I am NOT good with CSS or coding, so I have to do things the Super Weenie Hut Junior way) So to answer, there are two ways to accomplish this: 1. If you are using a "web-safe font" you can just use the visual editor on one level — in the visual editor start with Text Styles > Default Forum Text > Font Family . Pick a web-safe font from the list of available fonts in the dropdown, and boom, it's set for everything else. 2. If you are not using a "web-safe font" (note: web-safe does not mean safe in a security sense, but in a cross compatibility with all browsers / platform sense), then you will need to use the stylesheet. If you're using something like OpenDyslexic, then this is the route you'll have to take. I can break it down step by step since you're not super comfortable with CSS, but I don't want to overwhelm you if this isn't the route you're taking. I'll also note that while I personally enjoy using OpenDyslexic and similar fonts because they help my particular brand of dyslexia, dyslexia-specific fonts are not inherently more accessible than other fonts. Happy to go into "what makes a font face accessible" if you're interested!
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