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[tercielsilvi]

Jan 12, 2011 15:46:55 GMT -8 Phaelyn said:

Jan 12, 2011 15:43:26 GMT -8 @tercielsilvi said:

I feel I should point out that I've had a couple of PMs from Trill too. They're nothing like the other ones people have recieved though, and not really incriminating. I'll post them if people think it will help, though.

I would appreciate it <3 it appears he's been pming everyone, haha

PM1: The inner quotes are from Day 2.

Trill said:

Jan 11, 2011 12:11:44 GMT -8 tercielsilvi" said:

Jan 11, 2011 12:09:49 GMT -8 Ren Rudner said:

Okay whatever, lynch me and let the mafia win the game. It's your call

Before I vote, can you elaborate some? Your post makes me more inclined to vote iCraft first.

You think we should switch votes over to iCraft? There's a sound basis for voting for him. Very suspicious. Ren's accusations are a bit watered-down and have less clout, IMHO. idk. We still have time to switch if we think iCraft is mafia.

PM2. The quote in the middle of the second one is my reply.

ghbraingle said:

I think it's probably the best plan. Ren's accusation is flimsy at best, and her assertion that she might have an important role makes me want to keep her in until we have a better idea of who's who.

Saying that, I'm not entirely convinced that iCraft is mafia. The plus side of lynching him, though, is that even if he does turn out to be a villager, we won't have to read his awful grammar any more

Haha, I'm glad your strategy is "diffrent" Actually, iCraft being a mafia partially relies on the fact that Ren might be a mafia member, because it seemed he was protecting either her or maybe Patrick. So one of the two (or someone else at the point that iCraft voted for me) is probably mafia.

[Phaelyn]

Trill, if you want out of this, you need some more substantial evidence. You made it pretty obvious in your PMs that you were sending it to far less people than you did in reality; there's very, VERY little motive for a legitimate villager to do that. If you're a villager, don't you have anything to back yourself up other than "Wouldn't you do the same"?

I also notice you've given up saying you have a prominent villager role now that this is out in the open. Were you planning on bringing that up later, or are you just out of an alibi since the vigilante died?

@Capitan: thanks for posting those.

[CheatAreZee]

Interesting, HP posts to try and help Trill, and then Trill substitutively goes with the same vote as HP.

Something to remember in case Trill is chosen and is shown to be mafia.

[Thesealion]

Jan 12, 2011 15:47:34 GMT -8 Trill said:

Jan 12, 2011 15:44:42 GMT -8 Thesealion said:

I don't know about Robert yet but i will not vote for him today.

Trill just seems to be to active now all the sudden...also i noticed that in those PM's he kept saying, "I am not asking you who you are because I DON'T WANT TO BE SUSPECTED AS MAFIA."

Also he did say that he was only in contact with one other person to me...

And I'll post it again, since you seemed to have misread it the first time.

Hi Nightwalker,

Listen, I'll make this short and to the point. There's a big target on my back from what I posted last round, obviously. The alliance doesn't want me to talk and reveal information. That means that at least one mafia member is in the alliance I mentioned. If I do reveal the information the alliance collected, other players will come forward saying "that's my role, so you must be a mafia member impersonating my role!"

The reason why I'm sending this to you is because I don't think you're in the alliance, and I don't know who to trust. I have four suspects that I believe are in the alliance. I know two of them for sure: Aether and Andrea, and Crow MIGHT be.

If I'm killed by the mafia tonight, someone in the alliance doesn't want me to talk. I just want to leave some leads/clues behind in case I am killed. If you want to, you can post this message in the thread if I'm killed. I don't know if they're going to take me out this round or next round, because they might wait a bit to throw suspicions off the alliance I outed this round.

I'll admit, I sent that to a couple people. Wouldn't you?



Voting CROW because she already has a vote against her and is likely in the alliance.

That wasn't the PM i was talking about...read this

I'm in the same boat as you. I'm very paranoid at this point, haha. You can tell from my big post last round. I can definitely understand why you'd be a bit secretive. Well, if I die tonight at least you and one other player knows who I think would kill me if they're mafia.

[Trill]

Jan 12, 2011 15:51:51 GMT -8 Phaelyn said:

Trill, if you want out of this, you need some more substantial evidence. You made it pretty obvious in your PMs that you were sending it to far less people than you did in reality; there's very, VERY little motive for a legitimate villager to do that. If you're a villager, don't you have anything to back yourself up other than "Wouldn't you do the same"?

I also notice you've given up saying you have a prominent villager role now that this is out in the open. Were you planning on bringing that up later, or are you just out of an alibi since the vigilante died?

I've been PMing a bunch of people since I found out about the alliance. I wanted information about the alliance. Not particularly about the roles. That should be public information other than the doctor and nurse.

The reason why I've been scrambling since I found out about the alliance is because there HAS to be a mafia member involved.

" there's very, VERY little motive for a legitimate villager to do that"
Why did Aether? Same motivation. To uncover the truth. I've posted my motive many times... get that role list public. It's the only way to surely win the game. I'm not going to repeat my rants about this.

Why is a small alliance the only group to see the roles? They're going to control all of our decisions. If it's public knowledge, save for the doctor/nurse, then we can narrow down to 8 players, 4 of which are mafia.

[Phaelyn]

Jan 12, 2011 15:57:32 GMT -8 Trill said:

Jan 12, 2011 15:51:51 GMT -8 Phaelyn said:

Trill, if you want out of this, you need some more substantial evidence. You made it pretty obvious in your PMs that you were sending it to far less people than you did in reality; there's very, VERY little motive for a legitimate villager to do that. If you're a villager, don't you have anything to back yourself up other than "Wouldn't you do the same"?

I also notice you've given up saying you have a prominent villager role now that this is out in the open. Were you planning on bringing that up later, or are you just out of an alibi since the vigilante died?

I've been PMing a bunch of people since I found out about the alliance. I wanted information about the alliance. Not particularly about the roles. That should be public information other than the doctor and nurse.

The reason why I've been scrambling since I found out about the alliance is because there HAS to be a mafia member involved.

" there's very, VERY little motive for a legitimate villager to do that"
Why did Aether? Same motivation. To uncover the truth. I've posted my motive many times... get that role list public. It's the only way to surely win the game. I'm not going to repeat my rants about this.

Why is a small alliance the only group to see the roles? They're going to control all of our decisions. If it's public knowledge, save for the doctor/nurse, then we can narrow down to 8 players, 4 of which are mafia.

If it's public knowledge, save for the doctor and nurse, the mafia will still know exactly who the doctor and nurse are! think about it. I'm throwing out random numbers here, just bear with me:

1 woodcutter
5 villagers
1 doctor
1 nurse
5 mafia

The list of 1 woodcutter and 5 villagers is posted. It's pretty obvious to the mafia as to who they should attack.

[Robyn]

Can someone quickly summarize who has died in this game and what they were?

[Trill]

Jan 12, 2011 15:57:00 GMT -8 Thesealion said:

I'm in the same boat as you. I'm very paranoid at this point, haha. You can tell from my big post last round. I can definitely understand why you'd be a bit secretive. Well, if I die tonight at least you and one other player knows who I think would kill me if they're mafia.

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Yeah. I sent that particular PM not only to you, but to one or two others.

Was I supposed to NOT be worried after I accused the biggest alliance/network in the game about some mafia activity?

Seriously, look it at from my point of view. I accused someone in the biggest alliance last round. Do you think that made me feel comfortable during the night? I wanted you and several others to know who I thought was in the alliance in case I was killed.

This "evidence" against me is useless. No offense. Anyone would have done that in my shoes.

[Matej]

Jan 12, 2011 16:00:36 GMT -8 Robyn said:

Can someone quickly summarize who has died in this game and what they were?

It's in the first post of the thread.

Dead Players:

Bagheera - Villager (night 1)
Adam - Detective (day 1)
Lost - Dentist (night 2)
Alex Z - Villager (day 2)
Patrick - Scapegoat (night 3)
Ren Rudner - Mafia (day 3)
Zar - Vigilante (night 4)

[Trill]

Jan 12, 2011 15:59:29 GMT -8 Phaelyn said:

Jan 12, 2011 15:57:32 GMT -8 Trill said:

I've been PMing a bunch of people since I found out about the alliance. I wanted information about the alliance. Not particularly about the roles. That should be public information other than the doctor and nurse.

The reason why I've been scrambling since I found out about the alliance is because there HAS to be a mafia member involved.

" there's very, VERY little motive for a legitimate villager to do that"
Why did Aether? Same motivation. To uncover the truth. I've posted my motive many times... get that role list public. It's the only way to surely win the game. I'm not going to repeat my rants about this.

Why is a small alliance the only group to see the roles? They're going to control all of our decisions. If it's public knowledge, save for the doctor/nurse, then we can narrow down to 8 players, 4 of which are mafia.

If it's public knowledge, save for the doctor and nurse, the mafia will still know exactly who the doctor and nurse are! think about it. I'm throwing out random numbers here, just bear with me:

1 woodcutter
5 villagers
1 doctor
1 nurse
5 mafia

The list of 1 woodcutter and 5 villagers is posted. It's pretty obvious to the mafia as to who they should attack.

Obviously you wouldn't leave two players out from the list. Say they're villagers or something. I'm not the one who decided to go around and compile a list of roles in a big alliance...

[Robyn]

Ok thanks I never knew who ren or zar was

[Pats Freak 101]

Jan 12, 2011 16:00:36 GMT -8 Robyn said:

Can someone quickly summarize who has died in this game and what they were?

Read the first post.

[**hp]

Jan 12, 2011 15:54:30 GMT -8 CheatAreZee said:

Interesting, HP posts to try and help Trill, and then Trill substitutively goes with the same vote as HP.

Something to remember in case Trill is chosen and is shown to be mafia.

We haven't compared notes before this PM. His concerns about the alliance seem legitimate and Crow happens to be a shared concern. I'm not saying this whole deal isn't shady, but I just figured i'd try to bail him out since he did seem to have some reasoning for what he was doing...I don't know.

So how's this...if there's information the alliance doesn't want everyone to know, why not just bring it out into the open...the way things are going, if Trill doesn't go down with this lynch, a mafia member in the alliance will get him with the next hit. If there's no information, then we have our answer. If there is information, then at least we're more informed...

Some grounds seems to have been covered while I was replying.

On a side note, I feel like I'm not making any sense.

[Phaelyn]

Jan 12, 2011 16:00:36 GMT -8 Robyn said:

Can someone quickly summarize who has died in this game and what they were?

Check the first page


trill -- actually, no, I know I wouldn't have. I've been selectively PMing several members, but I never once denied it to any of them. For the ones I trusted more, I even named names and sent out a few group PMs. If someone had asked me in the thread, I would have openly admitted it, too!

As I said, for me to believe you? You're going to need more substantial evidence. You dug this hole for yourself, pull yourself out

Also, I question why you would have pm'd nearly EVERYone if you weren't exactly sure of who's in this malevolent alliance.

Jan 12, 2011 16:02:39 GMT -8 Trill said:

Jan 12, 2011 15:59:29 GMT -8 Phaelyn said:

If it's public knowledge, save for the doctor and nurse, the mafia will still know exactly who the doctor and nurse are! think about it. I'm throwing out random numbers here, just bear with me:

1 woodcutter
5 villagers
1 doctor
1 nurse
5 mafia

The list of 1 woodcutter and 5 villagers is posted. It's pretty obvious to the mafia as to who they should attack.

Obviously you wouldn't leave two players out from the list. Say they're villagers or something. I'm not the one who decided to go around and compile a list of roles in a big alliance...

Obviously that's impossible because the list of what roles are left is absolutely public and the lack of such roles would be as telling as complete ommitance of those members

(ps please don't use the roll-eyes smiley )

On a side note, I feel like I'm not making any sense.

Same, truthfully don't worry, apparently I'm getting my thoughts across, so I'll assume you are, too? xD

[Trill]

Jan 11, 2011 12:59:12 GMT -8 aether said:

Here's my suggestion for how to finish this game nice and quickly. Take it if you will:

1) An outsider declares their role publicly, be it hermit, woodcutter, or scapegoat. We allow for a period which allows us to confirm that the member by checking if anyone else claims the same role. In this case, if no one claims against, then that person will be our leader. If someone does claim against, then we take out whoever we think is lying. This person will be in the mafia. If we're wrong, then we just lynch the other person. It's a 1 for 1 trade that will benefit us in the long run.

2) When we have a leader chosen, everyone will send a PM to this leader revealing their identity. Then, the leader will go through these PMs and find which ones have duplicates. In which case, we do the same thing as in step 1, get it to a 1 for 1 situation. For this, we have to accept the 1 for 1 as a victory for the greater good.

3) Now, we have three outsider roles and two saving roles. That means we can work out a system in which one outsider reveals themself, the doctor saves them the first night, then we have to accept the sacrifice the next night. Then the next outsider can reveal, and repeat.

4) ...

5) profit.

If you can find any problems with this, let me know. It's just a suggestion.