Better Header & Footer Textarea

[Bennett 🚀]

I think that the Header & Footers should be the same format and functionality as the plugin components' for example, but without the variable side-bar. Tabs are a nice thing to have in the headers and footers.

[Ryan Roos]

We aren't supporting the expansion of the Headers and Footers area since Headers and Footers is now obsolete. There is no code that should ever technically be done in headers and footers. You can always use plugins or template modifications to accomplish everything. The only reasons headers and footers remains is for the people who would complain if we removed it because they are too used to v4 and because we wanted an easy organized way for people to access their old codes. Because of that we will leave it the way it was in v4. Moving forward updates and improvements will be made to other areas until we can phase out headers and footers completely (don't worry if you're reading this, it wont be for years, if ever).

We quite literally were just going to offer a headers and footers plugin. Because that's how easy it would be to do headers and footers in v5. With a plugin called headers and footers. We still might do this as one of the supported ProBoards plugins just to get people away from the old headers and footers. We'll see.

Just on a side note, I don't quite understand what you are saying about the tabs. But the above applies none the less. We have rules regarding what can and can't be a tab. Plugins allow authors to make tabs as a way of organizing multiple pages of settings. In headers and footers there are only two text areas on any given page.

[Bennett 🚀]

Mar 7, 2013 7:41:57 GMT -8 Ryan Roos said:

We aren't supporting the expansion of the Headers and Footers area since Headers and Footers is now obsolete. There is no code that should ever technically be done in headers and footers. You can always use plugins or template modifications to accomplish everything. The only reasons headers and footers remains is for the people who would complain if we removed it because they are too used to v4 and because we wanted an easy organized way for people to access their old codes. Because of that we will leave it the way it was in v4. Moving forward updates and improvements will be made to other areas until we can phase out headers and footers completely (don't worry if you're reading this, it wont be for years, if ever).

We quite literally were just going to offer a headers and footers plugin. Because that's how easy it would be to do headers and footers in v5. With a plugin called headers and footers. We still might do this as one of the supported ProBoards plugins just to get people away from the old headers and footers. We'll see.

Just on a side note, I don't quite understand what you are saying about the tabs. But the above applies none the less. We have rules regarding what can and can't be a tab. Plugins allow authors to make tabs as a way of organizing multiple pages of settings. In headers and footers there are only two text areas on any given page.

Tabs as in a literal \t

And okay, but not everything can be made into a plugin, there's this thing called a limit and it's 40 But yeah, I see why you want to get rid of them, but they're still pretty nice to have for little addons that don't need a complete plugin interface to function.

[Stinky666]

Ryan Roos, Bennett 🚀:

Also H&F aren't obsolete because of the simple fact of being able to put one code into them, to apply them to ALL themes. When you have lots of themes, which many people do, H&F are definitely not obsolete.

[Bennett 🚀]

Though, Stinky666, plugins can be configured to be on every theme, so what you said isn't entirely true.

[Stinky666]

Mar 7, 2013 18:11:35 GMT -8 Bennett 🚀 said:

Though, Stinky666, plugins can be configured to be on every theme, so what you said isn't entirely true.

Although correct, simple css you aren't going to make a plugin for, are you?

[Bennett 🚀]

Put it in the style sheet for that theme, I suppose.

[Stinky666]

Mar 7, 2013 18:27:13 GMT -8 Bennett 🚀 said:

Put it in the style sheet for that theme, I suppose.

I think you're missing my point. If you have 20 themes you want to make the same edit to (I've seen several times, for example, people wanting to hide sub-board links from the main page), you can easily do it through the H&F.

[Bennett 🚀]

Mar 7, 2013 18:32:05 GMT -8 Stinky666 said:

Mar 7, 2013 18:27:13 GMT -8 Bennett 🚀 said:

Put it in the style sheet for that theme, I suppose.

I think you're missing my point. If you have 20 themes you want to make the same edit to (I've seen several times, for example, people wanting to hide sub-board links from the main page), you can easily do it through the H&F.

They could hard-code that in on the layout templates.

[Stinky666]

Mar 7, 2013 18:35:43 GMT -8 Bennett 🚀 said:

Mar 7, 2013 18:32:05 GMT -8 Stinky666 said:

I think you're missing my point. If you have 20 themes you want to make the same edit to (I've seen several times, for example, people wanting to hide sub-board links from the main page), you can easily do it through the H&F.

They could hard-code that in on the layout templates.

No clue how to "hard code", but can that one then effect ALL themes?

[Bennett 🚀]

Mar 7, 2013 18:38:28 GMT -8 Stinky666 said:

Mar 7, 2013 18:35:43 GMT -8 Bennett 🚀 said:

They could hard-code that in on the layout templates.

No clue how to "hard code", but can that one then effect ALL themes?

It would have to be added to each of the layout templates, sadly. But I don't know, why add something large and cumbersome when, with a little labor, you can achieve the same thing but with less resource usage?

[Stinky666]

Mar 7, 2013 19:03:53 GMT -8 Bennett 🚀 said:

Mar 7, 2013 18:38:28 GMT -8 Stinky666 said:

No clue how to "hard code", but can that one then effect ALL themes?

It would have to be added to each of the layout templates, sadly. But I don't know, why add something large and cumbersome when, with a little labor, you can achieve the same thing but with less resource usage?

Then my point still stands. Adding to the H&F is FAR easier than manually adding to each and every theme individually, and as you pointed out before, we only get a limit of 40 plugins, so to use that on the "simpler" stuff, is very silly.

[Bennett 🚀]

Mar 7, 2013 19:09:02 GMT -8 Stinky666 said:

Mar 7, 2013 19:03:53 GMT -8 Bennett 🚀 said:

It would have to be added to each of the layout templates, sadly. But I don't know, why add something large and cumbersome when, with a little labor, you can achieve the same thing but with less resource usage?

Then my point still stands. Adding to the H&F is FAR easier than manually adding to each and every theme individually, and as you pointed out before, we only get a limit of 40 plugins, so to use that on the "simpler" stuff, is very silly.

Except, for ProBoards to be keeping it now is pretty nice. They could have just dumped it. I wouldn't see why not, people will probably use it less and less, and server resources (saving and serving those codes) are taken up as well.

[RedBassett]

My .00000002 million dollars:

As Ryan Roos has said, H&F are obsolete. They were introduced back when it was appropriate for a forum to use them. Now the possibilities plugins offer more than account for H&Fs. There is a right way to do this already: H&F plugin. ProBoards hasn't put one out yet, so make one for your forum. Now the codes/styles are on every theme, or only some if you so choose. And the data is cached, as well as distributed by PB's CDN, so you are helping your page load times and eating up less of your member's bandwidth.

[♥ ℒʊ√ ♥]

Mar 7, 2013 17:36:35 GMT -8 Stinky666 said:

Ryan Roos, Bennett 🚀:

Also H&F aren't obsolete because of the simple fact of being able to put one code into them, to apply them to ALL themes. When you have lots of themes, which many people do, H&F are definitely not obsolete.

I agree. I have over a dozen themes. You are correct.