Post Quarantine [library support]

[blc]

Jan 20, 2014 9:04:50 GMT -8 centauress said:

I unplugged the quarantine option and the corresponding support plug-in as well; since I was busy trying to get my new community independentnation.proboard.com up and running while dealing with a problem child I wasn't able to drop what I was doing and return to this place and yell for HELP.
But in a nut shell here is what was happening:
1. I don't have new members set up under any quarantine so that's never a problem
2. problem child seemed to be plastering numerous posts and I don't know if that caused an over load or the 'quarantine' was just running slowly and missed several of his posts
3. there would be maybe 5 out of his total 12 posts waiting for my approval
4. his avatar stated his group member of the 'quarantine' and yet there would be duplicate posts waiting to be approved or none at all and he'd have been very busy posting
5. I finally got so frustrated I 'unplugged' both of them and just told the jerk that the next option would be to 'CHOKE' him out of the threads that he was constantly derailing with his off topic diatribes but I didn't want to just leave a plug in that I'd paid for sitting there doing nothing

Has anyone else had any quirky problems with 'quarantine' not being consistent once it's set up?

Your #4. You don't have to put anyone in a group. Just add their name to a rule. I have several types of rules set up, but as pointed out, it won't catch mobile users.

But if someone is causing a lot problem like that you could create a manual quarantine, and add your mods to it, so that if they see something, then can manually quarantine it for you. you could get the mobile ones that way. Especially since you already know who you are looking out for.

[blc]

Jan 20, 2014 14:57:39 GMT -8 Wormopolis said:

Jan 20, 2014 13:29:27 GMT -8 centauress said:

Oh --- Noooo, not more hand holding/babysitting; Ok, been there done that, now I'll just play hard ball and if the problem child continues he's automatically earned a 'TIME OUT'! GOOD GRIEF, I hate babysitting the jerks of the forum!
But TY for the pertinent info.

Wait was it just the notification part not working or the actual quarantine itself ?


i have a request in for making the notification system better but right now it requires a link on the page for each approved to get nitified

I thought the notification worked just fine.

[blc]

Feb 1, 2014 17:05:03 GMT -8 Teddy Bear said:

Thanks for your swift reply Wormopolis.
I'm guessing from what you wrote that you saw 3 posts of tester1 without quarantine notice. In fact for me as either tester1 or admin the first 2 are still quarantined.
What I mean is guests are not allowed to post until they register and activate their account.
I then can either approve them for posting, or if I'm suspicious due to their IP address, I'll ask them to confirm content before I do.
I was hoping that I could have the option to approve new members to post, but that their posts would not be published until I'd reviewed them, and if okay give them free rein.

I use this plug in to preview new members posts and i go in and change the number needed if necessary.

[Wormopolis]

Feb 1, 2014 22:07:52 GMT -8 blc said:

Jan 20, 2014 14:57:39 GMT -8 Wormopolis said:

Wait was it just the notification part not working or the actual quarantine itself ?


i have a request in for making the notification system better but right now it requires a link on the page for each approved to get nitified

I thought the notification worked just fine.

currently, it still only sends notifications to users who happen to have a reference on the page sent from the server.   Lets say you had 4 people you wanted as approvers, but only two of them had server supplied references on the page.  the keys are only accessible to those two people and the other two wont get a notification because it fails the set.  I have a feature request in to allow for non displayed keys to be accessible.

[blc]

Feb 1, 2014 23:35:03 GMT -8 Wormopolis said:

Feb 1, 2014 22:07:52 GMT -8 blc said:

I thought the notification worked just fine.

currently, it still only sends notifications to users who happen to have a reference on the page sent from the server.   Lets say you had 4 people you wanted as approvers, but only two of them had server supplied references on the page.  the keys are only accessible to those two people and the other two wont get a notification because it fails the set.  I have a feature request in to allow for non displayed keys to be accessible.

Thanks for explaining that, now I understand.

[Teddy Bear]

First time I tried to post it didn't go through, so trying again.

I've taken a snapshot of 3 different views of my webpage where Tester1 has posted. I understand that only 2 posts will be quarantined because of my setting.

The first picture is Guest View, which I estimate is what you have been seeing.


The second is Admin view


The last is Tester1 view


As you can see any guest is able to see the posts that are supposed to still be quarantined. Perhaps my setting needs correction to make them invisible to everybody except staff until released.

As to my suggestion, what I'm referring to is to have the option on the 'Staff Options' window for each member to quarantine posts until reviewed, regardless of how many previous posts they have had. Just like PM's can be disabled at present. Or possibly a Member Group that will quarantine posts from all within regardless of number of previous posts.



Hope that makes it clearer.

[Wormopolis]

yeah the guest shouldnt be able to see those posts at all which is why I was getting confused. the post count said 6, but only 3 posts were showing up. and in one of those posts it said some had been deleted. so based on your screenshot, the top 2 SHOULD be showing as quarantined and I will look into that.

I understand your idea, but the logistics of making it work in the way you want arent going to fly. to make it where it has to keep a list of all the members allowed to post isnt logical because it will fill up the list eventually. to put something in a user key attached to every account might work, but then you will also have to go back and approve every member on your site currently because the code wont know who you consider "new" and "old". it only knows numbers and the number I told it to pay attention to is post count.

what I am saying I *can* make work, is setup a small list of members attached to each rule. so you could say any member with less then 20 posts has all posts quarantined. if you decide they are ok, you add them to the list. it lets the rest of their posts go. once they get past the 20 postcount mark, you remove them from the list because the rule doesnt affect them anymore anyways.

[Wormopolis]

did you maybe change the plugin permissions on the manage tab?


go to manage plugins. click the little "edit" button over on the right of the plugin. that should say everyone. what does yours show?

[blc]

Feb 2, 2014 8:05:25 GMT -8 Teddy Bear said:

As to my suggestion, what I'm referring to is to have the option on the 'Staff Options' window for each member to quarantine posts until reviewed, regardless of how many previous posts they have had. Just like PM's can be disabled at present. Or possibly a Member Group that will quarantine posts from all within regardless of number of previous posts.

Hope that makes it clearer.

You don't even really need a member group, just pick a bunch of people that you think would be good judges of what should be quarantined and people that would be on at all times throughout the day to give the best coverage and add them to the manual quarantine. I have 5 people listed in mine.

[Teddy Bear]

Feb 2, 2014 11:53:08 GMT -8 Wormopolis said:

did you maybe change the plugin permissions on the manage tab?


go to manage plugins. click the little "edit" button over on the right of the plugin. that should say everyone. what does yours show?

You were spot on - it said 'Members and Staff' and I have now changed it to Everyone, and sure enough Guests now see the first 2 posts as quarantined

[Wormopolis]

it should have been defaulted to everyone, but I dont have control over forcing that. not sure how it got changed then...

[Teddy Bear]

Feb 2, 2014 11:48:25 GMT -8 Wormopolis said:

I understand your idea, but the logistics of making it work in the way you want arent going to fly. to make it where it has to keep a list of all the members allowed to post isnt logical because it will fill up the list eventually. to put something in a user key attached to every account might work, but then you will also have to go back and approve every member on your site currently because the code wont know who you consider "new" and "old". it only knows numbers and the number I told it to pay attention to is post count.

what I am saying I *can* make work, is setup a small list of members attached to each rule. so you could say any member with less then 20 posts has all posts quarantined. if you decide they are ok, you add them to the list. it lets the rest of their posts go. once they get past the 20 postcount mark, you remove them from the list because the rule doesnt affect them anymore anyways.

What I was thinking with the sentence of yours that I highlighted, that once staff saw that a poster was genuine and were ready to approve their posts they could also go into that users profile and unclick the 'Quarantine Post' option. Or visa versa if they saw iffy posts they could click on 'Quarantine Posts' in their profile.

I wasn't necessarily suggesting this as part of your present plug in but as an addition to the v5 set up. I know that I get quite a few new registrations that I see from their IP address are from Indonesia with the intent to simply spam on the site. My way round it till now has been to send them a PM requesting content confirmation to know what it is they want to write in the site. They never reply and after a week or so I simply delete them. I would imagine most forums suffer the same kind of invasion.

I see what your saying in your final suggestion though and I see I can make the plug in work to address my needs. Probably a good idea in the 'Welcome Note' to new members that their first posts will be quarantined as a safety measure until seen to be genuine, so they won't get offended. What I was just suggesting was perhaps an easier way of setting up something for administrators to use.

I appreciate your help Wormopolis and thanks for all your efforts.

[Teddy Bear]

Feb 2, 2014 12:18:38 GMT -8 Wormopolis said:

it should have been defaulted to everyone, but I dont have control over forcing that. not sure how it got changed then...

I might have changed it myself at the beginning thinking that only members can post so it didn't apply to 'everyone'

[Teddy Bear]

Feb 2, 2014 12:00:59 GMT -8 blc said:

You don't even really need a member group, just pick a bunch of people that you think would be good judges of what should be quarantined and people that would be on at all times throughout the day to give the best coverage and add them to the manual quarantine. I have 5 people listed in mine.

Thanks too BLC for your help and suggestions

[Wormopolis]

Feb 2, 2014 12:30:55 GMT -8 Teddy Bear said:

Feb 2, 2014 11:48:25 GMT -8 Wormopolis said:

I understand your idea, but the logistics of making it work in the way you want arent going to fly. to make it where it has to keep a list of all the members allowed to post isnt logical because it will fill up the list eventually. to put something in a user key attached to every account might work, but then you will also have to go back and approve every member on your site currently because the code wont know who you consider "new" and "old". it only knows numbers and the number I told it to pay attention to is post count.

what I am saying I *can* make work, is setup a small list of members attached to each rule. so you could say any member with less then 20 posts has all posts quarantined. if you decide they are ok, you add them to the list. it lets the rest of their posts go. once they get past the 20 postcount mark, you remove them from the list because the rule doesnt affect them anymore anyways.

What I was thinking with the sentence of yours that I highlighted, that once staff saw that a poster was genuine and were ready to approve their posts they could also go into that users profile and unclick the 'Quarantine Post' option. Or visa versa if they saw iffy posts they could click on 'Quarantine Posts' in their profile.

I wasn't necessarily suggesting this as part of your present plug in but as an addition to the v5 set up. I know that I get quite a few new registrations that I see from their IP address are from Indonesia with the intent to simply spam on the site. My way round it till now has been to send them a PM requesting content confirmation to know what it is they want to write in the site. They never reply and after a week or so I simply delete them. I would imagine most forums suffer the same kind of invasion.

I see what your saying in your final suggestion though and I see I can make the plug in work to address my needs. Probably a good idea in the 'Welcome Note' to new members that their first posts will be quarantined as a safety measure until seen to be genuine, so they won't get offended. What I was just suggesting was perhaps an easier way of setting up something for administrators to use.

I appreciate your help Wormopolis and thanks for all your efforts.

I meant the initial load in of the plugin. currently, none of your members have any flag attached to their account that says they can post without quarantine. then you add the proposed plugin. the plugin looks for that flag on each account in order to let a post through. since none of your members have it, everyone gets quarantined until you manually go through and approve them all. I dont know how many are on your forum, but consider a forum with 1000 people on it. this is why Im saying it wont work. you can have it only start adding flags to new profiles from this point on, so you have to look at the ABSENCE of a flag as the determining factor of a new person or not. and of course until you add it, everyone has an absence of a flag.