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Post by Xeron on May 14, 2010 20:44:07 GMT -8
Do they exist? What do you think?
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Post by Lee on May 14, 2010 20:49:08 GMT -8
What exist? What is "The illuminati?"
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Post by Xeron on May 14, 2010 20:52:35 GMT -8
What exist? What is "The illuminati?" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IlluminatiDo some research. The Illuminati was a secret society that controlled money, politics, media, and etc amongst governments. Their goal is to create one huge new world order joining all governments into one large government. Some say they still exist because there is a ton of conspiracy around us everywhere. YouTube search "Illuminati" They are represented by "The Eye of Lucifer" which is on the back of the US $1 bill. The pyramid is in media, music videos, and etc...
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Post by Kami on May 14, 2010 21:03:40 GMT -8
people shouldn't have to 'do research' if you're the one presenting the topic. you have to assume not /everyone/ is going to know what you're talking about, and if you want replies you'd prolly be better off posting info, like you did in your second post.
as far as the question, i don't think they exist. it's nothing more than a conspiracy theory imho, and there are boat loads that are more interesting in my book.
edit; and it's silly to call that the eye of lucifer. if i recall my history correctly, that's supposed to symbolize the omniscience of God. [although i'm sure illuminati believers will argue "that's what they WANT you to think!" *twilight zone music*]
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Post by Xeron on May 14, 2010 21:30:42 GMT -8
I just didn't want it to seem as if I was pressing my point of view onto others. I do believe that to be the "Eye of Lucifer" Also there doesn't seem to be much proof of anything. That is obviously why it is a theory but I have been looking into the media and here is what I come up with: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BaphometBeyonce wearing a Baphomet ring. Rihanna's umbrella video. She poses to look like a baphomet head. Madonna's Jacket has the "Eye of Lucifer" Lady Gaga "supposedly" references the "Eye of Lucifer" Rihanna "supposedly" references the "Eye of Lucifer" There is a lot more out there especially on YouTube... You really have to research it to get gain a full insight of the conspiracy.
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Post by Kami on May 14, 2010 21:33:04 GMT -8
so what? =P so beyonce wears a ring that could be a symbol of a secret hidden organization. so another star wears something else that is affiliated with it.
it's not proof of anything.
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Post by Xeron on May 14, 2010 21:36:38 GMT -8
so what? =P so beyonce wears a ring that could be a symbol of a secret hidden organization. so another star wears something else that is affiliated with it. it's not proof of anything. I never said I have proof or that proof existed. That is why it is a conspiracy. I am not trying to convince you only point out some of the things that are taking place in the music industry that can tie into the conspiracy. I can see that you do not believe in the conspiracy at all. That is fine, I am just pointing out some things to bring to your attention. I'm sure if you did some research on the artist you would be able to tell there is something strange going on with some of the larger artist in the industry. I am not suggesting they are Illuminati but I am suggesting it is a possibility. That or maybe they have some occult formed since they seem to affiliate with each other.
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Post by Kami on May 14, 2010 21:41:46 GMT -8
oooor, it could be because people have made the illuminati [or some sort of occult] such a forerunner in conspiracy theories, they are merely referencing popular culture?
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Post by Xeron on May 14, 2010 21:51:56 GMT -8
oooor, it could be because people have made the illuminati [or some sort of occult] such a forerunner in conspiracy theories, they are merely referencing popular culture? Yeah that is also a possibility. Artist could be using it for publicity... but this has been going on forever in the music industry it did not just start. I was in Wal-Mart just the other day and I saw an artist by the name of "Daddy Yankee" released his newest album. The album cover is him standing inside a triangle. Many artist also claim to sell their soul to the devil such as Jay-Z, Eminem, Bob Dylan, Katy Perry, KanYe West, and etc. They also make references to a devil called "Rain Man" whom supposedly gives them their success and in return this demon speaks to them about the content of their music. Ofcourse there is a lot of arguement on this topic. It involves conspiracy and religion which each topic alone is enough to start a huge debate. I am just looking to see if others have any knowledge on the topic. Maybe people know something I am unaware of. Although Kami, you argue the topic purely on opinion. You say it can't be true but can you bring any proof to the plate? I can present theories too you but do you have information to decline and falsify what I am presenting? If I show you 50-100 albums covers right now that refer to the "Eye of Lucifer" can you explain all of them? Maybe you can explain why Jay-Z has a baphomet head flashing in his video or why Rihanna does? Why is Beyonce walking around with a Baphomet ring? Why do these artist openly admit selling their soul to the devil... Why in Jay-Z's song "New York" does he say "Life begins where the church ends" or why his "Black Album" has a song called Lucifer. Also is it just a coincidence that he has a song called 99 Problems as number 9 on his album. If you flip the nines what do you get? There is proof everywhere, honestly. These artist will not speak openly about it though. Take the time to research. www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBKDZhu-EZw
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Post by Kami on May 14, 2010 21:56:36 GMT -8
please quote where i definitively said it "CANNOT" be true. I haven't said any such thing. =] I'm just saying that people see conspiracy, where i see marketing. =P
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Post by Xeron on May 14, 2010 22:00:31 GMT -8
please quote where i definitively said it "CANNOT" be true. I haven't said any such thing. =] I'm just saying that people see conspiracy, where i see marketing. =P Alright, sorry. Those were not your words but it SEEMS you are suggesting it. If it is marketing though... Do you think this would really help sell? References themselves to a society that believes in new world order and satanism? I just can not see that as being a good marketing strategy.
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Post by Kami on May 14, 2010 22:09:28 GMT -8
please quote where i definitively said it "CANNOT" be true. I haven't said any such thing. =] I'm just saying that people see conspiracy, where i see marketing. =P Alright, sorry. Those were not your words but it SEEMS you are suggesting it. If it is marketing though... Do you think this would really help sell? References themselves to a society that believes in new world order and satanism? I just can not see that as being a good marketing strategy. not at all. i dunno if it exists, but i am of the belief it does not. i could be wrong, i could be right, no one's gonna know unless they are part of the illuminati -- and if they revealed themselves to me, i hear i'd be dead soon after. yeah, i think it would help sell. controversy, popular culture. it's like saying that sex doesn't sell because pornography is still generally frowned upon. it's like saying deathmetal doesn't sell because they generally have demonic images and symbols associated with their genre. it's like saying that the da vinci code movies/books were merely to further move the whole da vinci code conspiracy and not for a monetary gain. everything sells, even if it's just to a select few -- and when things get picked up by popular icons, it then gets into mainstream, etc.
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Post by Xeron on May 14, 2010 22:15:19 GMT -8
Alright, sorry. Those were not your words but it SEEMS you are suggesting it. If it is marketing though... Do you think this would really help sell? References themselves to a society that believes in new world order and satanism? I just can not see that as being a good marketing strategy. not at all. i dunno if it exists, but i am of the belief it does not. i could be wrong, i could be right, no one's gonna know unless they are part of the illuminati -- and if they revealed themselves to me, i hear i'd be dead soon after. yeah, i think it would help sell. controversy, popular culture. it's like saying that sex doesn't sell because pornography is still generally frowned upon. it's like saying deathmetal doesn't sell because they generally have demonic images and symbols associated with their genre. it's like saying that the da vinci code movies/books were merely to further move the whole da vinci code conspiracy and not for a monetary gain. everything sells, even if it's just to a select few -- and when things get picked up by popular icons, it then gets into mainstream, etc. Okay, I can see your point of view. Very true. I wish others would share their views. Doesn't seem many people know much of this conspiracy theory.
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Post by Kami on May 14, 2010 22:33:38 GMT -8
you're also posting during a general downtime. =X most of the people that actively post here are in the UK or the US, and for the US it's late at night, and in the UK it's early morning. Just give it a bit.
and thanks. =] again, i could be wrong, i could be right, who knows. =3 but i love conspiracy theories, or at least reading up on them. i just don't believe in them.
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Post by BEAST on May 14, 2010 22:35:24 GMT -8
I've had the feeling that governments after the turn of the century (And even more after 911) have seemed to want to erode our rights and freedoms more than before.
As to the thoughts of the Illuminati, I'm not entirely sure tbh. An interesting idea though.
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