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Post by Robyn on Jan 22, 2011 11:16:22 GMT -8
"Thou shall not have any other God before me." Does this mean that God wouldn't like a competitor? I've roamed through the Bible, to find some disturbing phrases. Something that struck me was "chosen people". So God chooses people, to save? This means that all those people around the remote parts of the world, with no access to this information of God are breaking the ten commandment? And why? Because God chooses people? Hmm... People around the world have joined Christianity. Are they ignoring their Judaic roots? It can't be ignored. The fact is, that they are saying those who had no way to find about this "one true God" are breaking it just by worshipping someone else. That's not fair to them. What type of God is this? So believing in good, doing in good, and following a just religion isn't enough. It has to be this one. Lastly, I don't blame God, but the people who created or edited the books. No it doesn't. No. xD Lack of information isn't a sin. That's why you're instructed to preach the word of god so ignorance will be erradicated. Or so I was told when I went to church. xD it's denying god after being informed that will get you in 'trouble'. You realize that there is a huge flaw in this argument. Given that: If you never knew the Christian god existed you will not be punished Therefore: Why would you ever tell me God existed? By doing so, you condemn people to hell who take your knowledge and don't believe it. That's pretty mean of you. It would be better for you not to tell people so that they are not sinners and still get to heaven through ignorance. My belief is that it's impossible to go to Hell for us. Therefore, there is no risk of that.
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Post by Sandy Pines on Jan 22, 2011 11:43:44 GMT -8
Why pick Christians out on this one? Every religion says this. I don't see your point. It's a matter of if people do their research on their religion to back up their claims - then those who blindly follow religion. I've done major research (and I'm still doing major research) on religion and so far the Bible and Christianity seem to be the only one that can back itself up with science and history. You're incorrect. Not every religion says this. For instance, Hinduism believes that there are many different representations or faces of God, all of whom are part of one ultimate deity, so they believe there are many paths to the same place. Just one example of a major, ancient religion that doesn't preach itself as the only way to salvation and convince people to convert everyone else to it. And what do you mean "back itself up with science and history"? They believe what they believe, right? So they believe they are correct on the issue, right? They don't believe they are wrong, am I correct? This is what I meant - every religion thinks they are right in what they believe. How am I incorrect in saying this? Do Christians think they are wrong in what they believe? Do Muslims think they are wrong in what they believe? Do followers of Bábism think they are wrong? As for the 'science and history' part, there's books and books on this. I can't fit it all into a proboards post.
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Post by Dumezil on Jan 22, 2011 12:01:58 GMT -8
"For the Lord, whose name is jealous, is a jealous God."—Exodus 34:14.
Jealousy doesn't mean fear.
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Post by Thumper on Jan 22, 2011 12:52:06 GMT -8
Keep arguing amongst yourselves about christianity.... The Muslims just love that
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Post by bagheera on Jan 22, 2011 13:29:04 GMT -8
You're incorrect. Not every religion says this. For instance, Hinduism believes that there are many different representations or faces of God, all of whom are part of one ultimate deity, so they believe there are many paths to the same place. Just one example of a major, ancient religion that doesn't preach itself as the only way to salvation and convince people to convert everyone else to it. And what do you mean "back itself up with science and history"? They believe what they believe, right? So they believe they are correct on the issue, right? They don't believe they are wrong, am I correct? This is what I meant - every religion thinks they are right in what they believe. How am I incorrect in saying this? Do Christians think they are wrong in what they believe? Do Muslims think they are wrong in what they believe? Do followers of Bábism think they are wrong? As for the 'science and history' part, there's books and books on this. I can't fit it all into a proboards post. Perhaps, but there's also room to accept that other religions might be correct at the same time, and therefore they don't persecute or proselytize to the extent that other major religions often do. And I'm not sure what you mean by "backing it up", that's what I'm asking. Do you mean the existence of Jesus is documented? So is existence of the Buddha. Do you mean that miracles have been documented? So have miracles in other religions. A little clarification would be helpful.
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Post by Ryan Roos on Jan 22, 2011 23:04:04 GMT -8
And what's to say science isn't the explanation as to how God does things? Science doesn't disprove God if that's what you're getting at. While the argument that God created science to govern the universe is a fun one to contemplate it is the second part of this quote I have a problem with. You are correct. Science doesn't disprove God. BUT Religion doesn't prove God. Science has found no evidence to disprove God. But science also hasn't found any evidence to support God either. Reading a 1600 year old book about a 6000 year old planet written by people who didn't understand gravity, or the shape of the earth, or why the tide goes in and out is not a valid excuse for the existence of God. Especially when the methodologies of science are constantly seeking new and better answers to all questions, the stale, never changing, never seeking new knowledge mindset of religion is numbing and should be heavily questioned by everyone. Is science right about everything? No. Will science constantly strive to not only increase the amount of knowledge the human race is aware of but will also constantly disprove and improve itself in the process? Yes. Will religion do the same? No. It won't. It has decided it's already right. Intelligent design is real. Religions use it. And not to explain creation. The religions themselves are intelligently designed by their creators. Most important attributes for survival of a religion. 1. It must grow. So send out people to convert others. Convert children before they can make informed choices. 2. It must not shrink. Make sure people are afraid to leave it. Persecute those not in it. Tell people they have a choice but don't let them make any. 3. It must be believed. Teach people questioning it is bad. 4. It must not be disproven. Utilize faith in place of fact. Teach application of logic everywhere but at church. 5. It must appear positive. Push positive messages for everyday life. Find concepts people can relate to. Fill a void in people who are open to suggestion or are mentally or emotionally compromised (the sick, injured, and imprisoned for example often find religion on their own). 6. It must not have competitors. Reinforce peace while killing others in the name of your religion. 7. It must be served. Give people jobs to do in the name of the religion. This includes regular worship or praying to reinforce everything within the religion. Constant repeated reminders are absolutely necessary for faith to take effect. If you follow those guidelines you can make your own religion that will survive for more than a 1000 years. The more mysterious you make it, the more power you can have in explaining it and the more faith you can generate to defending it. It's history, the more finely tuned your religion is to these attributes the more successful it has been historically. Direct correlation. The opening post has nothing to do with God being afraid. It has everything to do with keeping membership numbers up.
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Post by Rick Ace on Jan 24, 2011 13:28:16 GMT -8
it just means they are related to a man who was favored by God. So God favors people? Brilliant No. xD Lack of information isn't a sin. That's why you're instructed to preach the word of god so ignorance will be erradicated. Or so I was told when I went to church. xD it's denying god after being informed that will get you in 'trouble'. You realize that there is a huge flaw in this argument. Given that: If you never knew the Christian god existed you will not be punished Therefore: Why would you ever tell me God existed? By doing so, you condemn people to hell who take your knowledge and don't believe it. That's pretty mean of you. It would be better for you not to tell people so that they are not sinners and still get to heaven through ignorance. I totally agree with you Pat What's the point of preaching then. lol Why pick Christians out on this one? Every religion says this. I don't see your point. It's a matter of if people do their research on their religion to back up their claims - then those who blindly follow religion. I've done major research (and I'm still doing major research) on religion and so far the Bible and Christianity seem to be the only one that can back itself up with science and history. You're incorrect. Not every religion says this. For instance, Hinduism believes that there are many different representations or faces of God, all of whom are part of one ultimate deity, so they believe there are many paths to the same place. Just one example of a major, ancient religion that doesn't preach itself as the only way to salvation and convince people to convert everyone else to it. And what do you mean "back itself up with science and history"? I agree with this then. I think that there are different ways to approach God. God created different races, different features, and different talents. Did he want to force us into one uniform belief? That's ridiculous.
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Post by Hope Faith Love on Jan 24, 2011 13:52:29 GMT -8
First commandment: Exodus 20:3 - "Do not worship any other gods besides me." (NLT) From a one dimensional viewpoint, yes it means that God is a jealous God who does not share your affection for other things you idolize. However think of this: You put a massive amount of effort into writing a book, it's an absolute masterpiece of a book, say over 50000 pages... Then you start to market it but then you realize that the company you're marketing it with has said it was created by a different person! Wouldn't you be pretty unhappy? So how do you think it feels for God when he has created humankind and humans start attributing everything to something else or start worshipping something else? Now I'm going to be a little controversial now but I believe it is necessary so I'm going to write it: Other religions that claim to be 'Abrahamic' or have the same roots as Judaism is effectively like doing this: "Hey did you know? Proboards was created by a guy named Henry Clinger!" or "Hey did you know? Proboards was created by a guy named Patson Clinger." (I hope to have caused no offense by the way in using your name Patrick. So even as similar as they try to be to the truth, does that make it right? No. What then can we use to differentiate between all the different religions/beliefs that reside in the world? If you asked me, personally... It would be the word of God. Read through thoroughly with possibly a Christian helper for things you may not quite understand, this is the best way of coming to the realization, there is only one God, there is only one line of faith worth pursuing... However your own way of realization may come as a different method. In the end, God always reaches out to us at some point, however everyone has free will and yes you do have the right with your free will to claim otherwise and it's that choice that sets you down a different path.
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Post by Thumper on Jan 24, 2011 13:56:07 GMT -8
Who told you God is a "he"?
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Post by Hope Faith Love on Jan 24, 2011 13:57:58 GMT -8
Who told you God is a "he"? Man was created in God's image. Man needed a helper so he created a woman to help him.
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Post by Thumper on Jan 24, 2011 14:12:27 GMT -8
So presumably, all the other beings in the universe won't be god's creatures unless they look like a man....or woman?
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Post by Division by Zero on Jan 24, 2011 14:14:23 GMT -8
So presumably, all the other beings in the universe won't be god's creatures unless they look like a man....or woman? Not that they aren't his creatures, just that they weren't designed in his image.
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Post by Hope Faith Love on Jan 24, 2011 14:19:26 GMT -8
So presumably, all the other beings in the universe won't be god's creatures unless they look like a man....or woman? Not that they aren't his creatures, just that they weren't designed in his image. Well I would say 'this' but... I don't believe life exists outside of this planet.
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Post by Division by Zero on Jan 24, 2011 14:32:52 GMT -8
Not that they aren't his creatures, just that they weren't designed in his image. Well I would say 'this' but... I don't believe life exists outside of this planet. Believing that life exists elsewhere in the universe is too much of a stretch for you? Yet it's perfectly reasonable to believe in a God that requires one to suspend rational judgement?
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Post by Hope Faith Love on Jan 24, 2011 15:01:02 GMT -8
Well I would say 'this' but... I don't believe life exists outside of this planet. Believing that life exists elsewhere in the universe is too much of a stretch for you? Yet it's perfectly reasonable to believe in a God that requires one to suspend rational judgement? As I believe that God wouldn't create anything better than a human and we are truly works of art, it's not much of a stretch to say that there just isn't another perfectly positioned planet out there that's just like Earth for harbouring life. Billions of planets there might be but this planet is the only known one to have life and I don't think any number of year's worth of exploration would say any differently.
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