CREATION OF UNIVERSE

[Oranjy]

This topic has a continous answer because it can never be truley answered.
Okay so there was a big bang, so people would say so god made or commanded the big bang. So what made God..and before even starting on that topic..who can define god?

[myke]

crucio said:

Personally i interpret the bible as that God caused the big bang, the 7 days bit is he prepared it into the bang before setting it off, but hey thats just my opinion.

How could days exist before the big bang, if the universe was void of anything?

A day is relative to whatever planet you are on, and day and night does not exist in space.

We count a day as one ful rotation of the Earth, which takes aprox. 24 hours.

A day on Venus is 243 Earth days.

A day on Jupiter is only 9 Earth hours.

So again, The bible is not meant to be taken literal, it was wrote by man to try an explain that of which he did not understand. Back then, the concept of days existing on another platet, or not exisiting in space was unheard of.

[Mike Lohmer]

myke said:

crucio said:

Personally i interpret the bible as that God caused the big bang, the 7 days bit is he prepared it into the bang before setting it off, but hey thats just my opinion.

So again, The bible is not meant to be taken literal, it was wrote by man to try an explain that of which he did not understand. Back then, the concept of days existing on another platet, or not exisiting in space was unheard of.

Exactly my point earlier.

[MrHappy]

I believe the human race is ONLY 6000 aprox years old... now try work that one out.

Anyone who believes this... has nerve calling someone else ignorant.

[Gonubierat]

mrhappy said:

I believe the human race is ONLY 6000 aprox years old... now try work that one out.

Anyone who believes this... has nerve calling someone else ignorant.

Gee... whats with you people.

why not try discussing the idea first, before you dismiss it. U're right, I probably have a very big nerve. Then again, the theories of the human race evolving from apes is just as ridiculous to me, as the human race being 6000 years old is to you. Don't be ( dare i say it ) ignorant of other ideas, especially when it appears you are not willing to discuss it.

[myke]

gonubierat said:

mrhappy said:

Anyone who believes this... has nerve calling someone else ignorant.

Gee... whats with you people.

why not try discussing the idea first, before you dismiss it. U're right, I probably have a very big nerve. Then again, the theories of the human race evolving from apes is just as ridiculous to me, as the human race being 6000 years old is to you. Don't be ( dare i say it ) ignorant of other ideas, especially when it appears you are not willing to discuss it.

Humans didn't come from apes. That is a common misconception. Humans evolved from Neanderthals.

As for the topics at hand, the creation of the universe, lets get back to that folks. I'd hate to have to lock an othewise intelligent thread because of posts like MrHappy's.

The only true ignorence here is insulting someone else because you do not believe what they do.

[Enchant]

myke said:

gonubierat said:

Gee... whats with you people.

why not try discussing the idea first, before you dismiss it. U're right, I probably have a very big nerve. Then again, the theories of the human race evolving from apes is just as ridiculous to me, as the human race being 6000 years old is to you. Don't be ( dare i say it ) ignorant of other ideas, especially when it appears you are not willing to discuss it.

Humans didn't come from apes. That is a common misconception. Humans evolved from Neanderthals.

As for the topics at hand, the creation of the universe, lets get back to that folks. I'd hate to have to lock an othewise intelligent thread because of posts like MrHappy's.

The only true ignorence here is insulting someone else because you do not believe what they do.

We all know that humans came from aliens.....

[Gonubierat]

Sorry... Im guilty as charged.

Right, would my theory (a literalist view) of human's being 6000 years old fall under this topic?

[myke]

enchant said:

We all know that humans came from aliens.....

Well, some of us do. ;D

gonubierat said:

Sorry... Im guilty as charged.

Right, would my theory (a literalist view) of human's being 6000 years old fall under this topic?

No need to apologize, and I don't see why it doesn't, it's all related to the same thing; "where did it/we come from".

[ryndell]

The neaderathal was disproven to be a separate race from man.They had some kind of a genetic defect that we would call it ,but it was not a defect.It was put there so they could survive in the region that they lived in .So there it was a survival thing , not a defect.Man is man i believe.They took no other form but man ,some just looked different .

And also God Said and i will say again ... A Thousand years is as a day , as a day is a thousand years.So that 6,000 years of man could be 6,000,000 years of man for all we know.Lets just say 6,000 years of hard factual recorded man, prove of him being here absolute.Through records documents, etc.Not that the exsistence of man is or is not much older, but we can not say that it is not, because we were not there.We do not have prove that they didnt, or that they did .So the neaderathal Man, or mongol as some would call that type .They could have exsisted much earlier then say babylon or ur .

[Gonubierat]

myke said:

enchant said:

We all know that humans came from aliens.....

Well, some of us do. ;D

gonubierat said:

Sorry... Im guilty as charged.

Right, would my theory (a literalist view) of human's being 6000 years old fall under this topic?

No need to apologize, and I don't see why it doesn't, it's all related to the same thing; "where did it/we come from".

Aliens... Im scared of Aliens... once, a loong time ago... I was like 5 years old. I had a neighbour, who was watching the first Alien movie on her TV, and my friend and I were in her house, and we saw her watching it, she said that the Aliens WERE coming, in just a few years time... Im still recovering from that... at 5 years old... those Aliens from the ALien series are REALLY REALLY REALLY scary... with those tongues and everything.... *starts shaking*

haha, right, anyway!

Creation: why do i believe humans are only 6000 years old?

Well firstly, because Im a literalist, and i believe the Bible is 100% true, then I have to believe that the earth is around 6000 years old. Why? Well, because in the Bible, we are given Geneologies. From Adam right through to Jesus. This has been calculated to aproximately 6000 years. It was apparently calculated to be 4004 bc (I think...). So this is why I have to believe that humans are only 6000 years old.

Now straight away, I can hear many of you shouting 'but, buts, and even more buts!!!'. Now hold on.
I am no scientist, or biologist, or even an someone-who-works-with-soil-ologist (i dont know the names!).
But. I do alot of reading, reading work from both sides of the argument.
First Buts I can hear is this: What about the Dinosaurs, or Various skeletons of previous humans found differing from the 'norm'. Good Questions. Now remember, i am no ologist or professional. But I have the word of God (that is known as the 'B-i-b-l-e' for any of you laymen out there )... and books by many leading writers on the subjects (which im not even using now because im too lazy to go fetch).
Alot of the answer have to do with the flood.
It is said to be a well known fact that reptiles never stop growing. Before the flood, everything lasted alot longer than what it did now. Life expectencies were very, very high. So, one theory, which I am inclined to believe, is that dinosaurs were simply very large, 'normal' (haha) reptiles. Then again, this has many implications.
What about the 'human' skeletons which seem to differ to ours? Well, it is possible that not all human bone structure was the same then. There are reports in the Bible of there being some very strange human beings indeed.
Now, another 'But', is those of you arguing carbon dating, and the earth's age. Now, I am not at ALL stating that the earth's age is only 6000 years old, even though, I believe it was created then. This is why. I believe God made everything in adult form. And so, if the earth was in adult form, then the Earth's age is not under dispute, and is very much likely, older than 6000 years.

Now, I know the above argument is not without flaws... I can hear all the 'Buts' flying in again. But, that will give you more of an idea of what I believe and hopefully explain a little more why. Yet, I must say, there is alot more evidence for what I ahve just said. I just don't know it off by heart. But, if you are really interested, then research, like I have. I promise you, you will find some very interesting reads.

[Member 27]

Gonubie, you obviously don't believe that humans evolved from a common ancestor. But, do you believe at all that change in a species can occur? Like a species can branch off into two or more different types/groups?

[Enchant]

m27 said:

Gonubie, you obviously don't believe that humans evolved from a common ancestor. But, do you believe at all that change in a species can occur? Like a species can branch off into two or more different types/groups?

Evolution?

and why is everyone looking over the possiblity that we come from aliens? I am being serious...

[Gonubierat]

m27 said:

Gonubie, you obviously don't believe that humans evolved from a common ancestor. But, do you believe at all that change in a species can occur? Like a species can branch off into two or more different types/groups?

I believe the human body can adapt to it's soroundings to an extent. Hence I wouldn't last as long in the ice, as say an eskimo would... but I dont believe in these big biological changes.

[Member 27]

gonubierat said:

m27 said:

Gonubie, you obviously don't believe that humans evolved from a common ancestor. But, do you believe at all that change in a species can occur? Like a species can branch off into two or more different types/groups?

I believe the human body can adapt to it's soroundings to an extent. Hence I wouldn't last as long in the ice, as say an eskimo would... but I dont believe in these big biological changes.

So what do you think the difference between adaptation and evolution is?