Is time a uniquely human form of awareness?

[richndanapoint]

I’ll be happy if I get just one response

Nonlocality, nonlinearity and Godel Universes suggest a radical departure from our traditional understanding of time - that it is fundamentally nonexistent.

If this is so, many questions arise. To begin:

1) Have we erroneously assumed time is a fundamental truth?
2) What other assumptions might our belief systems rest upon?
3) How can we become aware of our assumptions to critically analyze them?
4) Without time, free will can't exist. Can it if time does exist? Might that be another of our assumptions?
5) Without free will, what can be made of the legal system?
6) Without time, what explanation might there be for experience?
7) Without time, infinity can't be. It requires some sort of growth process in time. What explanation might there be for our ability to conceive of infinite sets?

[ryndell]

Time itself is unending ... it is one of the constents in the universe.it is unchanging ... and unwavering ... Its Man Perception of time, that is a uniquely human form of awareness.

[Isaac]

My clock says 12:33.
Now 12:34

Voila! We have time.

[richndanapoint]

mod said:

My clock says 12:33.
Now 12:34

Voila! We have time.

I can't imagine an ability to conceive of infinity without an innate sense of time.

My friends and I used to debate, and discuss pre-destination vs. free will. My personal theory is pre-destination by logical sequence. Essentially that's; when you make a decision, it's the only possible one, based on your knowledge, intellect, and experience, and whatever circumstances, are prevalent.

[ryndell]

Put it this way ... rather man was here to see it or not ... if man was never here to even measure it ..It would infact ... no if and or buts.Take the same time for the either to revolve on its axis once .. called the 24 hour period as we percieve it,but it still would take the same measurement of time .Just like if a tree falls in the woods no one is around . to hear it.does it make a sound .Yes it does .

[Enchant]

time exist reguardless of perception, its the one truth that all things are based

[Cameron Stone]

This stuff is way over my head. I am getting a headache.

[Former Member]

Time is a measurement we invented to give us a boundry, a beginning and an end. It removes alot of confusion that we may otherwise have. Time is relative rather then a substance, it's existence isn't fundamental to ours.

[daniel]

From dictionary.com:

time
n.
1. A nonspatial continuum in which events occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future.

We live in a world/universe where things just 'are', where existence is a constant state, yet various aspects of that existence are in perpetual change. Time is a mental contruct to describe elements shifting from one form to another under the labels of past, present, future. Our minds carry information regarding these changes, so time is used as a categorization method to keep things in an order to better understand our existence and its continual shifts. I believe any entity with the ability to form coherent memories would also develop a system which we refer to as time.

Oh, the other question- I don't believe in predestination or predetermination. Each individual at each moment has the opportunity to change various aspects of existence which he or she touches. To me, predetermination suggests higher intelligence, and if a higher intelligence steered the course, even in very subtle ways, shouldn't that course make logical sense? Humanity is too random, too self deprecating, self injuring to work off of predetermination. If each person made the best decision for him/herself given the available information, then predetermination would make sense. As it is, too many people make stupid decisions fully aware of likely negative consequences to make Scient predetermination likely.

[Enchant]

danielsmith said:

From dictionary.com:

time
n.
1. A nonspatial continuum in which events occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future.

We live in a world/universe where things just 'are', where existence is a constant state, yet various aspects of that existence are in perpetual change. Time is a mental contruct to describe elements shifting from one form to another under the labels of past, present, future. Our minds carry information regarding these changes, so time is used as a categorization method to keep things in an order to better understand our existence and its continual shifts. I believe any entity with the ability to form coherent memories would also develop a system which we refer to as time.

Oh, the other question- I don't believe in predestination or predetermination. Each individual at each moment has the opportunity to change various aspects of existence which he or she touches. To me, predetermination suggests higher intelligence, and if a higher intelligence steered the course, even in very subtle ways, shouldn't that course make logical sense? Humanity is too random, too self deprecating, self injuring to work off of predetermination. If each person made the best decision for him/herself given the available information, then predetermination would make sense. As it is, too many people make stupid decisions fully aware of likely negative consequences to make Scient predetermination likely.

Okay...I have to say it that response was very sexy...
LMAO dont tell my husband ....but it was very nicely said

[myke]

Time is not something we created to measure a series of events. We simply created a tool in which to measure time is all. Time is not an illusion, or a sequencing of coherent memories.

If that was the case, then Einsteins Theory of Relativity becomes nothing more then the ramblings of a mad man. As we accelerate to speeds nearing the speed of light, time slows for the person and/or object moving. What would be an hour for me at those high speeds, may be 25 years to you. So, while I return a little more hungry then I was when I left, an hour older, you have aged 25 years and have eaten thousands of meals.

This is basically a proven theory as well, so if time is nothing more then a human invention to measure linear events, then how can this be possible?

[Hyleus]

myke said:

Time is not something we created to measure a series of events. We simply created a tool in which to measure time is all. Time is not an illusion, or a sequencing of coherent memories.

If that was the case, then Einsteins Theory of Relativity becomes nothing more then the ramblings of a mad man. As we accelerate to speeds nearing the speed of light, time slows for the person and/or object moving. What would be an hour for me at those high speeds, may be 25 years to you. So, while I return a little more hungry then I was when I left, an hour older, you have aged 25 years and have eaten thousands of meals.

This is basically a proven theory as well, so if time is nothing more then a human invention to measure linear events, then how can this be possible?

That is well put, you said everything I was going to say and alot more. -.^

[myke]

hyleus said:

myke said:

Time is not something we created to measure a series of events. We simply created a tool in which to measure time is all. Time is not an illusion, or a sequencing of coherent memories.

If that was the case, then Einsteins Theory of Relativity becomes nothing more then the ramblings of a mad man. As we accelerate to speeds nearing the speed of light, time slows for the person and/or object moving. What would be an hour for me at those high speeds, may be 25 years to you. So, while I return a little more hungry then I was when I left, an hour older, you have aged 25 years and have eaten thousands of meals.

This is basically a proven theory as well, so if time is nothing more then a human invention to measure linear events, then how can this be possible?

That is well put, you said everything I was going to say and alot more. -.^

Thank you.

[Hyleus]

myke said:

hyleus said:

That is well put, you said everything I was going to say and alot more. -.^

Thank you.

Welcomeness to the extreme! I like how you put it as how we made tools to measure it though, that explained alot. -.^

[Artemis]

When I think about it it makes my head hurt... I have questions like, "if time if indefinite, when did it START?" because there is a beginning to all things right? There HAS to be a start, or it can't be going at all.