Mafia Game (After Party)

[bagheera]

Dec 16, 2010 8:51:38 GMT -8 Ryan Roos said:

Dec 16, 2010 8:37:09 GMT -8 bagheera said:

What's this... Ryan's using hyperbole, circumstantial evidence, and hype to try and sway one of the villagers? Yet he hasn't managed to do so overnight? Methinks I know which side will win eventually... it's just a matter of the right person signing on and reading the reasoning here.

I've stuck to the facts for a long time now. Your posts have gotten more and more elaborate and hyped up. "She dodges bullets and could probably fly if the game required it." Really? lolz.

You are correct. I apologize you finally got me to sink to your level. I'm going to work on v5 now I'll check back later to see if people have sifted through this mess of lies.

Feel free to double post away in my absence.

Your sheer consistency of naming unverified mafia members should help you in this quest. 3 for 3 and only your word to prove it, and we will not reveal the true detective since we only know about you for sure, there are still 2 hidden mafia by our count.

I never got to the level of hype and lies. I've been open, honest, consistent, factual, and logical through this entire game. Your tactics have been based on PM'ing people privately to sway them, being secretive, hype (bold, capitals, repeated emphasis of the same, often incorrect, points), and outright lies (talking about how I'd apparently named five Mafia members when I was very clear about who was and wasn't a confirmed member.)

So what you really mean is that you apologize for revealing the basis of your tactics thus far: scare tactics.

[Ryan Roos]

Dec 16, 2010 8:59:50 GMT -8 bagheera said:

I never got to the level of hype and lies. I've been open, honest, consistent, factual, and logical through this entire game. Your tactics have been based on PM'ing people privately to sway them, being secretive, hype (bold, capitals, repeated emphasis of the same, often incorrect, points), and outright lies (talking about how I'd apparently named five Mafia members when I was very clear about who was and wasn't a confirmed member.)

So what you really mean is that you apologize for revealing the basis of your tactics thus far: scare tactics.

Again you are correct *sarcasm*. Because your fake video didn't show you mass messaging Dove or Mr. Spartan, both of who I suspect are villagers. Oh wait it does show you mass messaging people who are currently allied with you, meaning either they are mafia, which I doubt you would show in a video, or they are villagers who you left in your inbox for the video to reaffirm their faith in your claims as detective. You had to go to page 2 to find Aethers fake post from last night? Who is mass PMing? Because I tell you my inbox hasn't changed much outside of a couple conversations requested by Dove, ICraft and the real detective all of whom are villagers.

Ok really now got to work on v5

[bagheera]

Dec 16, 2010 9:11:14 GMT -8 Ryan Roos said:

Dec 16, 2010 8:59:50 GMT -8 bagheera said:

I never got to the level of hype and lies. I've been open, honest, consistent, factual, and logical through this entire game. Your tactics have been based on PM'ing people privately to sway them, being secretive, hype (bold, capitals, repeated emphasis of the same, often incorrect, points), and outright lies (talking about how I'd apparently named five Mafia members when I was very clear about who was and wasn't a confirmed member.)

So what you really mean is that you apologize for revealing the basis of your tactics thus far: scare tactics.

Again you are correct *sarcasm*. Because your fake video didn't show you mass messaging Dove or Mr. Spartan, both of who I suspect are villagers. Oh wait it does show you mass messaging people who are currently allied with you, meaning either they are mafia, which I doubt you would show in a video, or they are villagers who you left in your inbox for the video to reaffirm their faith in your claims as detective. You had to go to page 2 to find Aethers fake post from last night? Who is mass PMing? Because I tell you my inbox hasn't changed much outside of a couple conversations requested by Dove, ICraft and the real detective all of whom are villagers.

Ok really now got to work on v5

I'm talking with villagers who already know the truth, not trying to win over villagers through PM's like you've done. Every conversation I've had has been initiated by the other party first. And of course people aren't PM'ing you, after you and your Mafia friends have brought several private PM's public now. I wouldn't trust you with PM's either, after that.

Since you guys insisted on taking it public, I'm posting everything in the thread now, except for my strategy-related stuff, since I obviously don't want to share that with Mafia.

I find it interesting how you investigated my inbox that closely, though.

[Ryan Roos]

Dec 16, 2010 10:03:21 GMT -8 bagheera said:

Dec 16, 2010 9:11:14 GMT -8 Ryan Roos said:

Again you are correct *sarcasm*. Because your fake video didn't show you mass messaging Dove or Mr. Spartan, both of who I suspect are villagers. Oh wait it does show you mass messaging people who are currently allied with you, meaning either they are mafia, which I doubt you would show in a video, or they are villagers who you left in your inbox for the video to reaffirm their faith in your claims as detective. You had to go to page 2 to find Aethers fake post from last night? Who is mass PMing? Because I tell you my inbox hasn't changed much outside of a couple conversations requested by Dove, ICraft and the real detective all of whom are villagers.

Ok really now got to work on v5

I'm talking with villagers who already know the truth, not trying to win over villagers through PM's like you've done. Every conversation I've had has been initiated by the other party first. And of course people aren't PM'ing you, after you and your Mafia friends have brought several private PM's public now. I wouldn't trust you with PM's either, after that.

Since you guys insisted on taking it public, I'm posting everything in the thread now, except for my strategy-related stuff, since I obviously don't want to share that with Mafia.

I find it interesting how you investigated my inbox that closely, though.

I'm sorry that I watched your video. Guess that's real hard investigating going on. I thought you wanted me to watch it, I should have guessed you didn't want me to. Only the villagers you want to switch sides.

First you say I'm Mass PMing people, then you say that my inbox is empty because no one is talking to me. Flip-flop much?

Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe I was posting all of the PMs I got to show that I am a villager and mafia might be trying to subvert me? I was being honest by posting PMs publicly when I received them. Any I haven't posted are private because the mafia is out there. And to counter point you, all of my contacts were started by others. Another fact you throw out that has no support one way or the other for mafia status. Just filler to make you sound legit.

It's hard to miss 20 messages in a row to Dove in the video you yourself provided. Don't get upset that you tried to make a claim against me only to have it pointed out ONCE AGAIN that you yourself were doing it.

You are a broken record and not even an original one. Yesterday when you accused me of being desperate I explained why I wasn't and how I was trying to save everyone. Today when I point out that you are desperate in response to you claiming it on me again your response was a carbon copy of mine from yesterday.

You argue in circles over and over, post facts and events that I have explained over and over and you constantly accuse me of everything that you are doing yourself. Mind-screwing, subversion, mass PMing, opinions, hype and lies, hyperbole, circumstantial evidence. And you take all of the qualities I am exhibiting and place them on yourself. Your own words "I've been open, honest, consistent, factual, and logical through this entire game."

It's getting old real quick.

You want to accuse me of "circumstantial evidence" how about that your entire claim to everything you are saying everywhere in this entire thread stems from your claim to be the detective. If that one circumstance isn't true then everything against me and the villagers and Phaelyn is a lie. I explained your plan in detail often guessing what you would do before you did it. I was completely thrown sideways when Phaelyn was a villager until I realized you tricked her too.

What happened to the Bagheera yesterday who was going to vote for herself? So far that's been your only original idea.

[bagheera]

You know, I'm sick of arguing with you. I'm not going to let you get me emotional, though, because I know that's your only goal here.

And that Bagheera is still there, but I'm resisting the urge to be spiteful to the villager who's still too blind to see your tricks, because there are still four other villagers who don't deserve to die.

Now, what happened to this Ryan?

Dec 13, 2010 14:47:31 GMT -8 Ryan Roos said:

If I'm wrong then I deserve to die. I am confident with my fake game life that you 2 [baggy's note: Phaelyn and me] are mafia.

To that villager: I've stuck my neck out and done way more than anyone else in this game to keep me, you, and the other four of us alive. Time to do your duty, too -- if nothing else, avenge Phaelyn by doing what she has asked and trusting me.

My final vote: Ryan.

[Ryan Roos]

Dec 16, 2010 10:49:34 GMT -8 bagheera said:

You know, I'm sick of arguing with you. I'm not going to let you get me emotional, though, because I know that's your only goal here.

And that Bagheera is still there, but I'm resisting the urge to be spiteful to the villager who's still too blind to see your tricks, because there are still four other villagers who don't deserve to die.

Now, what happened to this Ryan?

Dec 13, 2010 14:47:31 GMT -8 Ryan Roos said:

If I'm wrong then I deserve to die. I am confident with my fake game life that you 2 [baggy's note: Phaelyn and me] are mafia.

That Ryan couldn't believe that Phaelyn could be a villager when acting so strongly and working so hard with you. It wasn't until the shock wore off that I figured out you must have tricked her at the beginning into allying with you. That, I suppose, was an original idea AND something I didn't see coming.

And maybe I do deserve to die, but not at the expense of the whole village.

[aether]

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I'm going to ask now for every villager to post. If there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that you're changing your vote, we're going to have to come up with a new way of ending this. It has simply become too powerfully polarized.

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[Ryan Roos]

Dec 16, 2010 11:04:03 GMT -8 aether said:

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I'm going to ask now for every villager to post. If there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that you're changing your vote, we're going to have to come up with a new way of ending this. It has simply become too powerfully polarized.

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Maybe we just go with the popular vote at the time you said the day would end. Although that might be me being biased.

I vote Bagheera

[aether]

No, I specifically rejected the idea of popular vote for day 1, so I'd like to remain that much consistent to this point. Only if everyone agrees that they won't change votes, we'll have to look at more options.

The one I think would be easiest won't be in the best interest of the players in terms of gameplay. That's for someone to just bite the bullet and take on the votes to progress the game or end the game, whichever situation it leads to.

[Mr. Spartan]

Final Vote: Ryan

there. I'm done until the next day.

[Syko Nachoman]

I'm still voting for Bagheera.

[Dumezil]

Bagheera

[Ara (Crow)]

Ryan.

[Thumper]

Ryan

[bagheera]

Dec 16, 2010 11:10:55 GMT -8 aether said:

No, I specifically rejected the idea of popular vote for day 1, so I'd like to remain that much consistent to this point. Only if everyone agrees that they won't change votes, we'll have to look at more options.

The one I think would be easiest won't be in the best interest of the players in terms of gameplay. That's for someone to just bite the bullet and take on the votes to progress the game or end the game, whichever situation it leads to.

What about killing off both Ryan and I if the votes remain consistent?