Mafia! Game 5 (After Party)

[VS Admin]

Feb 10, 2011 9:54:52 GMT -8 Phaelyn said:

Also, note I'm backing my claims up with hard evidence, numbers, times etc. that YOU CAN ALL CHECK YOURSELVES, where Pat's backing up his claims with intangible evidence.

Intangible?

Let's review the facts here, mafia!

I quoted you saying that you have lied about your role. [red]Tangible Evidence.[/red]

I showed how you were online for the switch from night to day and led a train of votes towards me. [red]Tangible Evidence.[/red]

I also provided my PM id from Aether. [red]Tangible Evidence.[/red]

So let's not lie any more here Phaelyn about who is and isn't providing real evidence here.

[Ace Trainer Dom]

Feb 10, 2011 9:52:06 GMT -8 VS Admin said:

Feb 10, 2011 9:49:14 GMT -8 Ace Trainer Dom said:

Patrick you bring up some good points but A, you have lied about your role before too. B, just because someone is online during the switch doesn't mean they are mafia and sent in the vote. The narrator still needs time to write up an article, and the doctor and detective still needed to submit their votes too. That sort of evidence doesn't work around here. C, suicide promises like that only hurt us, a real mafia member can use that to their advantage and when we lynch a mafia member and decide the source is innocent, that's one mafia member among our ranks who remains under the radar. And D, You didn't provide a link back on that final quote (Just a small thing there )

That's 3 strikes to disprove your theory. Anything else?

1) I lied about my role when Phaelyn was the detective - I think it was game 2? That was to protect Phaelyn from the mafia. We had worked together to attract attention to regular villagers so that they would be killed (take one for the team). That was me being a good villager.

2) That is true that other people do need to send their votes in, but if I was mafia I would want to be around for the switch so that I could pile the votes on just like Phaelyn did to me.

3) You must not have read my message. It was a PM Phaelyn sent me earlier today (5:30am my time). I can't screen shot it because that is against the rules so I quoted it.

Look back, I tend to overedit

Also, from my experience when I was mafia last game, often times we weren't even around when the game finally switched to night and day, though granted that was because one of the other special roles was slowing us down. Point is I was around when day 2 began as well, does that make me suspicious?

I'm not saying those could be reasons, I'm just saying you have nothing definitive to say, other than if phaelyn isn't mafia then you will commit suicide. The only way for you to know for sure is to be mafia yourself. I would feel more inclined to lynch you if you were right actually

Feb 10, 2011 9:57:49 GMT -8 VS Admin said:

Feb 10, 2011 9:54:52 GMT -8 Phaelyn said:

Also, note I'm backing my claims up with hard evidence, numbers, times etc. that YOU CAN ALL CHECK YOURSELVES, where Pat's backing up his claims with intangible evidence.

Intangible?

Let's review the facts here, mafia!

I quoted you saying that you have lied about your role. [red]Tangible Evidence.[/red]

I showed how you were online for the switch from night to day and led a train of votes towards me. [red]Tangible Evidence.[/red]

I also provided my PM id from Aether. [red]Tangible Evidence.[/red]

So let's not lie any more here Phaelyn about who is and isn't providing real evidence here.

1) INTANGIBLE, we can't see pm's, therefore nothing "quoted" from a pm can be regarded as truth.

2) Evidence yes, but not conclusive. About 4 other people were online, only one person needs to send the vote in, and for all we know some of the mafia are invisible. Nothing is proven with this.

3) The only person who got a PM from aether before the mass pm to everyone was mafia or the doctor now, and neither one is likely to step up and support what you are saying. What does this ID prove anyway?

[Phaelyn]

3 is still intangible, by the way -- I posted my PM ID before he did.

[Phaelyn]

Feb 10, 2011 9:57:49 GMT -8 VS Admin said:

Feb 10, 2011 9:54:52 GMT -8 Phaelyn said:

Also, note I'm backing my claims up with hard evidence, numbers, times etc. that YOU CAN ALL CHECK YOURSELVES, where Pat's backing up his claims with intangible evidence.

Intangible?

Let's review the facts here, mafia!

I quoted you saying that you have lied about your role. [red]Tangible Evidence.[/red]

I showed how you were online for the switch from night to day and led a train of votes towards me. [red]Tangible Evidence.[/red]

I also provided my PM id from Aether. [red]Tangible Evidence.[/red]

So let's not lie any more here Phaelyn about who is and isn't providing real evidence here.

Also, I'd like if you could read over the post again, 'cause I tend to overedit as well

[VS Admin]

Feb 10, 2011 9:58:03 GMT -8 Ace Trainer Dom said:

1) INTANGIBLE, we can't see pm's, therefore nothing "quoted" from a pm can be regarded as truth.

2) Evidence yes, but not conclusive. About 4 other people were online, only one person needs to send the vote in, and for all we know some of the mafia are invisible. Nothing is proven with this.

3) The only person who got a PM from aether before the mass pm to everyone was mafia or the doctor now, and neither one is likely to step up and support what you are saying. What does this ID prove anyway?

1) I was quoting Phaelyn's post in this thread. Please go back and re-read. This is not about me quoting Phaelyn's PM. This is about me quoting Phaelyn saying how she lied about her roles. NOT intangible. Go back and read Dom.

2) I'm just providing what factual evidence I have. This is clearly valid evidence as it is backed up by the posting times in this thread.

3) Phaelyn posted her PM ID as if it is some kind of evidence so I posted mine as well. She seems to think this makes her "not mafia" so I posted mine.


[red]The fact is Phaelyn has provided zero real evidence to support any claim, and I am the one who has provided real facts backed up by verifiable information.[/red]

Feb 10, 2011 10:06:49 GMT -8 Phaelyn said:

Also, I'd like if you could read over the post again, 'cause I tend to overedit as well

So I catch you in a lie and you go back to edit it? Smooth move mafia.

[Ryan Roos]

watches with wonder
notes that Dom supports Phaelyn
Pat's still suspicious

[VS Admin]

Feb 10, 2011 10:06:07 GMT -8 Phaelyn said:

3 is still intangible, by the way -- I posted my PM ID before he did.

Not true because other players can check their PM IDs and compare to mine. If anyone matches up then I'm obviously lying.

[Phaelyn]

Feb 10, 2011 10:10:44 GMT -8 VS Admin said:

Feb 10, 2011 10:06:07 GMT -8 Phaelyn said:

3 is still intangible, by the way -- I posted my PM ID before he did.

Not true because other players can check their PM IDs and compare to mine. If anyone matches up then I'm obviously lying.

...I don't follow your reasoning? It's VERY easy to take mine, modify it by a few numbers, then say it's yours. Then it lines up with everyone's.

[VS Admin]

Feb 10, 2011 10:13:08 GMT -8 Phaelyn said:

Feb 10, 2011 10:10:44 GMT -8 VS Admin said:

Not true because other players can check their PM IDs and compare to mine. If anyone matches up then I'm obviously lying.

...I don't follow your reasoning? It's VERY easy to take mine, modify it by a few numbers, then say it's yours. Then it lines up with everyone's.

The fact is I posted my real PM ID from Aether. This is smoke and mirrors from you. What does the PM ID number prove anyways? I haven't understood your reasoning of how this is somehow "evidence" in any way shape or form. I bet we could simply ask Aether if every single person received this PM and I bet they would say we all did. So why would I lie about receiving that PM?

You are grasping at straws because you know that I have posted real evidence and you have posted nothing of value. I caught you in your lies and you're going to be lynched.

AETHER - Can you confirm if every player received the PM "The Mafia Game Has Started" ?

[Phaelyn]

Feb 10, 2011 10:19:30 GMT -8 VS Admin said:

Feb 10, 2011 10:13:08 GMT -8 Phaelyn said:

...I don't follow your reasoning? It's VERY easy to take mine, modify it by a few numbers, then say it's yours. Then it lines up with everyone's.

The fact is I posted my real PM ID from Aether. This is smoke and mirrors from you. What does the PM ID number prove anyways? I haven't understood your reasoning of how this is somehow "evidence" in any way shape or form. I bet we could simply ask Aether if every single person received this PM and I bet they would say we all did. So why would I lie about receiving that PM?

You are grasping at straws because you know that I have posted real evidence and you have posted nothing of value. I caught you in your lies and you're going to be lynched.

AETHER - Can you confirm if every player received the PM "The Mafia Game Has Started" ?

I also posted a ton of other real evidence, but I didn't know that he sent that to everyone -- I assumed it was just to the villagers. Guess I was mistaken?

Anyway, this is pointless to continue debating. It's up to the village to decide now, anyway

I should let you all know that I will be leaving around 3:30 EST or so, just like I do every thursday. I have an android phone, so it would be incredibly inconvenient for me to try to post.

[VS Admin]

Phaelyn, if you agree I think we can both stop posting until the village makes a decision. I think we both have worn out our points. It's up to the village to decide.

Agreed?

[Phaelyn]

Agreed.

[Ace Trainer Dom]

Feb 10, 2011 10:09:43 GMT -8 Ryan Roos said:

watches with wonder
notes that Dom supports Phaelyn
Pat's still suspicious

The reason I support phaelyn is because last time I pushed her to commit suicide. I don't want the same blood on my hands again, even if it was indirectly.

Feb 10, 2011 10:08:17 GMT -8 VS Admin said:

Feb 10, 2011 9:58:03 GMT -8 Ace Trainer Dom said:

1) INTANGIBLE, we can't see pm's, therefore nothing "quoted" from a pm can be regarded as truth.

2) Evidence yes, but not conclusive. About 4 other people were online, only one person needs to send the vote in, and for all we know some of the mafia are invisible. Nothing is proven with this.

3) The only person who got a PM from aether before the mass pm to everyone was mafia or the doctor now, and neither one is likely to step up and support what you are saying. What does this ID prove anyway?

1) I was quoting Phaelyn's post in this thread. Please go back and re-read. This is not about me quoting Phaelyn's PM. This is about me quoting Phaelyn saying how she lied about her roles. NOT intangible. Go back and read Dom.

Fair enough, I skimmed over that post. But even I have lied about my role before. I seem to remember I was acting like a villager last game even though I was mafia . And at 404 I was the detective, yet in all of my PM's I used a confirmed villager's name as the detective to get people to sway their votes. It's the same thing, lying about a role doesn't prove mafia, nor does it prove she has a special role.



But I give up. My current vote is for Patrick and that is where it stays unless the village says otherwise.

[tercielsilvi]

Feb 10, 2011 9:57:49 GMT -8 VS Admin said:

Feb 10, 2011 9:54:52 GMT -8 Phaelyn said:

Also, note I'm backing my claims up with hard evidence, numbers, times etc. that YOU CAN ALL CHECK YOURSELVES, where Pat's backing up his claims with intangible evidence.

Intangible?

Let's review the facts here, mafia!

I quoted you saying that you have lied about your role. [red]Tangible Evidence.[/red]

No, it isn't. Past behaviour in a previous game has no effect on behaviour in the current game.

I showed how you were online for the switch from night to day and led a train of votes towards me. [red]Tangible Evidence.[/red]

Not good evidence. Time online only provides correlative evidence, which, on its own, is not good enough for proof.

I also provided my PM id from Aether. [red]Tangible Evidence.[/red]

PM id isn't really any use, as the contents of a PM with PM id is still withheld. No evidence, for you or Phaelyn.

Now, Phaelyn has provided proof of asking the question of whether PMs were sent to non-special roles/mafia well before the clarification was made, which suggests a much more likely role of villager than the evidence you have provided for yourself.

Reiterating vote for Patrick

[Alex Zechiel]

I've been holding off because I was unsure, but the evidence just isn't holding up on Pat's side. Pretty much everyone has been pointing this out.

Gotta go with Patrick.