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Post by Ren Rudner on Aug 24, 2011 18:46:34 GMT -8
...Welp, night guys!
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Post by Søren on Aug 25, 2011 1:37:30 GMT -8
aw.. *sleeps*
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Post by Ryan Roos on Aug 25, 2011 6:36:08 GMT -8
*After a hard day of baking Phaelyn and lynching cakes (wait... switch that) Ryan goes to sleep.*
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Post by Syko Nachoman on Aug 25, 2011 14:10:12 GMT -8
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Second Death in Three Nights Baffles Police, News Reporters
Beloved local villager and crow Olivia Crowley was found dead this morning with a swarm of vultures flying overhead. Villagers are baffled by this second night-time death in such a short period. With the population of their village having been reduced by 30% over the past three days, it seems that the villagers will need to take action against the mysterious impending threat that some have dubbed the "Mafia."
Thus begins Day 3. You've got 48 hours from the timestamp of this post to choose the next person to kill.  4 votes should do it. |
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Post by Girl Dale on Aug 25, 2011 15:18:26 GMT -8
So... Shall we suspect the people who voted for Phaelyn...? Or... Start a new bandwagon hoping we get lucky...? Vote for me...? Vote for... Uhhh... I dunno. There's not much to go on  |
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Post by VS Admin on Aug 25, 2011 16:45:56 GMT -8
Alright, I finally have some information that is worth sharing. I am copy/pasting a Skype conversation that was had between me, Ryan, Ren, and Alex.
I'm going to put all these cards on the table so that the villagers have as much information as possible. Ren, Alex, and Ryan can all confirm that this Skype conversation is real. If any of them don't, then they are mafia. There were all 4 of us involved in this Skype chat so there is no lying that it took place.
The long and skinny of the story is this:
Alex claims to be the detective. On night 1 he claims to have investigated Ryan and found him not to be mafia. On the 2nd night Ryan claims that he, as the doctor, saved me from dying. Syko decided as the moderator to not tell the person who was shot that they were, so I have no way to confirm Ryan's claim that I was shot. Also, if Ryan was mafia he would know that I was attacked (good cover!)
First off, if someone else is the detective or doctor we need to know right now. Anyone who wants to claim they have these roles will help expose mafia. That's step one. Now, let's assume no one else claims these roles:
Ryan and Alex have been pushing hard claiming that we essentially have this game in the bag, that it is already "won" (see copy of Skype conversation below, I bolded some lines). But, the fact is, I have no proof that either of them have been telling the truth to me. It's sketchy to say the least.
So how do we solve this?
Ryan claims he is saving himself tonight. This means mafia can't kill him, period.
So here's what happens next:
We kill Alex. If he is lying about being the detective, then he is mafia and we got him (then kill Ryan after as being his mafia partner -- they have been working together to push my votes). If he actually is the detective, then we know that Ryan was telling the truth, which means I am a villager, which means Ren is a villager and Ryan is too. We then have 3 confirmed villagers that other villagers can vote with.
We currently have 7 people alive. 2/7 are mafia. In a worst case scenario, Alex is not mafia and the mafia kill someone tonight. We end up with 2/5 mafia, but we have 2 confirmed villagers alive. The remaining villager needs only to work with them to root out the mafia. However, in a best case scenario, we kill a mafia (Alex) and the villagers have won the game.
This game is almost over and there has been a severe lack of details going around. So here's all the cards on the table. Take it as you will. I don't expect Ryan or Alex to go along with my vote at all, but we need to do it to see where the cards lie.
My vote is Alex Zechiel.
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Post by Former Member on Aug 25, 2011 20:11:10 GMT -8
I'm new to this game, so excuse any incompetence on my part, Patrick.
In the Skype conversation, the suspects are myself, Soren, and Dalita. You're still going for Alex, who claims to be the detective? And you announced that Ryan was going to save himself tonight. If he really is the doctor and he really does save himself, that leaves the rest of us vulnerable because the mafia know we won't be saved. Wouldn't it have been more strategic to keep that bit of information to yourself? If I was the detective, I certainly wouldn't make myself known right now, on the chance that Ryan is really the doctor and he's saving himself. The mafia would then eliminate me without hesitation. For all I know, you and Ryan could be mafia yourself hoping we'd confide our positions in you right now.
Maybe I'm missing some things and if I am please fill me in. As I've mentioned before this is my first time playing this game.
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Post by Ryan Roos on Aug 25, 2011 21:09:44 GMT -8
Dumbest alliance I've ever been in. Patrick got half his facts wrong and completely contradicted our groups plan. I hope the mafia pull out a win now just to spite him for being so over zealous .
I am the doctor. Thanks Pat. Won't be saving you ever again.
To correct certain 'facts above' here is the time line from my POV.
Night 1 - I saved myself.
Day 1 - Pat tried to kill me by voting for me.
Night 2 - I realized the mafia would likely kill Pat to frame me. So I saved him.
Day 2 - Alex came to me claiming to be the detective. I decided to trust him. He told me he investigated Tim the first night (wasted) and me the second. I told him I saved Pat and was certain Pat was a villager.
Night 3 - Alex investigated Ren and told us she was a villager. 2 odd things did happen. 1st Alex found out about Ren before the night was over, but I attributed that to Syko sending the reply right away. Second Alex told Ren he found out she was a villager, she took the news... oddly. She just stared at him for a while when he said it. Ren has not denied this in front of Pat and yet he thinks if anyone is mafia its me and Alex? It would be Ren and Alex. Anyways.
I saved myself at Pat's instruction in order to gain his trust (this is when I saved myself, I never claimed I was doing so tonight, though now I have no choice).
Day 3 - Here we are. We had the skype convo. 4 allies I thought.
I completely trusted Pat and was suspicious of Ren and Alex. Unfortunately Pat is a villager so I won't be voting for him.
I'd like to say how messed up it is that Syko didn't reveal who was saved the second night to the person (Patrick). How could you possibly be shot and not be aware of it. Every previous game the person attacked was notified so that they can take the necessary precautions the next day when arguing. This has completely destroyed Patrick's trust in me since to this day he still has no idea if he was even the one saved.
I vote for Dalita because she is on the short list of remaining people that aren't in my alliance.
You all make your own choices, but I clearly wont be allying with Patrick in any future games.
Edit: Man, I just reread the whole skype message again. I can't believe that we essentially all allowed Patrick to be in power (since we understood he had the least amount of facts for trust) and he's the one that stabs us all in the back. I don't understand how someone that plays so much like a mafia player can last so long in this game. He's the one that picked Phaelyn randomly, but claimed to be sure. First day he gunned for me. We all essentially agree to work on his schedule since we had a majority and he just throws it away. So stupid. And the only thing more frustrating is that he is for sure a villager (unless the mafia tried to kill one of their own on night 2, which they didn't because that would make no sense in a 2 mafia game).
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Post by VS Admin on Aug 25, 2011 21:52:14 GMT -8
I'm new to this game, so excuse any incompetence on my part, Patrick. In the Skype conversation, the suspects are myself, Soren, and Dalita. You're still going for Alex, who claims to be the detective? And you announced that Ryan was going to save himself tonight. If he really is the doctor and he really does save himself, that leaves the rest of us vulnerable because the mafia know we won't be saved. Wouldn't it have been more strategic to keep that bit of information to yourself? If I was the detective, I certainly wouldn't make myself known right now, on the chance that Ryan is really the doctor and he's saving himself. The mafia would then eliminate me without hesitation. For all I know, you and Ryan could be mafia yourself hoping we'd confide our positions in you right now. Maybe I'm missing some things and if I am please fill me in. As I've mentioned before this is my first time playing this game. Good questions. I'll give responses to each based on past games: 1) Why say who Ryan is saving? If I say Ryan is going to save himself tonight, it is extremely likely he will, and the mafia will not go for him. The doctor is more important than the detective, because he can prevent villagers from dying (while a detective can only identify who is or isn't a villager, but mafia can pretend to be the detective). Ryan still has the option to save someone else if he wants, but it nearly guarantee's his survival tonight. 2) Why reveal the detective? Two reasons: -You may not realize it right now, but this game is about to end, and we have had NO clues to go on this whole time. The mafia has done quite well to stay quiet. We are 3 nights from the end of the game and we need answers. This is the only way (that I know) to get any, because people have been trying to get me to vote certain ways. We as a group need to know their intentions. Friend or foe. I highly suspect foe at this point. -Also, I am leaving for the weekend with Alex to go on a cruise. I will be gone from tomorrow morning to Monday morning and will not have internet access. The game will likely be over by the time I get back. I already asked Syko for permission to PM him my votes ahead of time so he can put them in for me while I am gone. Alex can do the same. 3) What if this is Ryan and Patrick being deceitful? You can ask Ren, Ryan, and Alex who were all involved in these conversations. There are only two mafia in this game and four of us were talking with each other. It could be completely possible that we are all villagers. It also could be possible that this has been a ploy. But based on the fact that there were at minimum two villagers involved in these talks, and I guarantee you no one will dispute that Skype conversation (because it happened), and I have now given the villagers an opportunity to publicly learn some information. The only thing we need to do now is to vote for Alex to find out the truth. Either he's a shifty mafia and Ryan is most likely his partner, or they are telling the truth and the mafia is elsewhere, based on the information provided. One clarification, since Ryan sent me a text about an hour ago. He says Alex investigated Tim Camara on the first night, not Ryan. So Ryan was never actually investigated as far as I know ( correction: he was investigated on night 2 according to Ryan's post -- if Alex is the detective). This means that if Alex is actually the detective then we have confirmed without a doubt that Ryan, Ren, and I are all villagers. I can't see how Ryan could POSSIBLY not support this plan. Unless he is mafia. Which at this point I'm 99% sure he is, but we have to execute this plan to find out. This will be one of my last posts this game (assuming it ends before Monday). I mentioned it on day 1 when I voted for Ryan -- he is an extremely strong player in this game. If you look at game 1 (I believe it was, maybe game 2) you will see some of the best swinging of votes that has ever happened by Ryan. EDIT:Ryan posted above while I was drafting my post, so I just want to add a couple quick comments. First off, I didn't vote for Ryan, I voted for Alex. He is lashing out as if I voted for him, which is uncharacteristic when I'm not even voting for him. This is with Ryan having NO proof that Alex is the detective. Ryan is not the kind of person in this game to work on blind trust. He tries to figure out all the angles and see what the facts are, how the votes are going, etc. He is extremely adamant about this alliance that isn't based on any facts. That is extremely suspicious. Ryan, I have to give it to you. You are great at manipulating votes (your post is a great example of how you do that). But I will not let it happen this game. Ryan, if you truly are a villager, you should agree with my plan because "the cat is out of the bag" so to speak. My plan provides a way for us to get information -- information on whether Ryan and Alex are lying or not. If we as a village don't vote for one of those two (Ryan or Alex) we won't know anything for a fact and we'll be left completely in the dark. Again. Day after day, stabbing in the dark, hoping to find a mafia. This is what mafia would want. They wouldn't want us to get answers. Secondly, according to all the information Ryan provided me, since Alex never investigated Ryan all we have is Ryan's word that he is the doctor. The mafia know who they attacked, so does the doctor. Either mafia or the doctor could claim to be the doctor in this scenario. There is no evidence to support Ryan's claim to this point. I will reiterate one other thing I said in my other post - Since Ryan has now openly claimed to be the doctor, if there is another player that received the role of doctor you should reveal yourself now. This way we can know that at least one of the two is lying. Ryan's post for reference in case there are edits later: Dumbest alliance I've ever been in. Patrick got half his facts wrong and completely contradicted our groups plan. I hope the mafia pull out a win now just to spite him for being so over zealous . I am the doctor. Thanks Pat. Won't be saving you ever again. To correct certain 'facts above' here is the time line from my POV. Night 1 - I saved myself. Day 1 - Pat tried to kill me by voting for me. Night 2 - I realized the mafia would likely kill Pat to frame me. So I saved him. Day 2 - Alex came to me claiming to be the detective. I decided to trust him. He told me he investigated Tim the first night (wasted) and me the second. I told him I saved Pat and was certain Pat was a villager. Night 3 - Alex investigated Ren and told us she was a villager. 2 odd things did happen. 1st Alex found out about Ren before the night was over, but I attributed that to Syko sending the reply right away. Second Alex told Ren he found out she was a villager, she took the news... oddly. She just stared at him for a while when he said it. Ren has not denied this in front of Pat and yet he thinks if anyone is mafia its me and Alex? It would be Ren and Alex. Anyways. I saved myself at Pat's instruction in order to gain his trust (this is when I saved myself, I never claimed I was doing so tonight, though now I have no choice). Day 3 - Here we are. We had the skype convo. 4 allies I thought. I completely trusted Pat and was suspicious of Ren and Alex. Unfortunately Pat is a villager so I won't be voting for him. I'd like to say how messed up it is that Syko didn't reveal who was saved the second night to the person (Patrick). How could you possibly be shot and not be aware of it. Every previous game the person attacked was notified so that they can take the necessary precautions the next day when arguing. This has completely destroyed Patrick's trust in me since to this day he still has no idea if he was even the one saved. I vote for Dalita because she is on the short list of remaining people that aren't in my alliance. You all make your own choices, but I clearly wont be allying with Patrick in any future games. Edit: Man, I just reread the whole skype message again. I can't believe that we essentially all allowed Patrick to be in power (since we understood he had the least amount of facts for trust) and he's the one that stabs us all in the back. I don't understand how someone that plays so much like a mafia player can last so long in this game. He's the one that picked Phaelyn randomly, but claimed to be sure. First day he gunned for me. We all essentially agree to work on his schedule since we had a majority and he just throws it away. So stupid. And the only thing more frustrating is that he is for sure a villager (unless the mafia tried to kill one of their own on night 2, which they didn't because that would make no sense in a 2 mafia game). I just want to point out that Ryan's reason for voting for Dalita ("I vote for Dalita because she is on the short list of remaining people that aren't in my alliance.") is terrible, terrible, terrible. Not based on evidence AT ALL. Does not help us identify villagers or mafia. It's a stab in the dark. |
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Post by VS Admin on Aug 25, 2011 22:44:34 GMT -8
Sorry, one more post. I edited above to reflect this but it is so important that I need to make sure it is seen:
Ryan claims to have been investigated by the detective (Alex) on Day 2. He also claims to have saved me from dying that night. He also claims that Alex investigated Ren on the next day and confirmed she is a villager.
This means, that 100% without a doubt if Alex turns out to be the detective that we have 3 confirmed villagers. And if he turns out to be mafia we put Ryan up on the chopping block next. This is a solid plan.
Vote Alex
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Post by Former Member on Aug 25, 2011 23:01:33 GMT -8
Patrick's argument seems to hold more structure. Ryan, I can't blame you for voting for Dalita. In your position I wouldn't be too happy with Patrick either, but voting for Alex puts us one step closer to solving this. If we vote for Dalita, we won't learn anything. At this point it would be fully worth sacrificing a detective to narrow things down that significantly. I'm not in your alliance, either, and I wouldn't want to be eliminated for a reason as flimsy as that. Alex's death will give us information, one way or another. Dalita's would still leave us with nothing to progress on.
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Post by VS Admin on Aug 25, 2011 23:04:11 GMT -8
Chani, can you please confirm your vote by bolding your vote for Alex or explicitly stating your vote so that Syko counts it.
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Post by Former Member on Aug 25, 2011 23:14:44 GMT -8
I vote for Alex.
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Post by Ryan Roos on Aug 26, 2011 6:51:56 GMT -8
Here's where my problem with Patrick lies. He's stirring the game up just to be a jerk and betraying his allies. Everyone take note for the next game. In his first post he does all this math. 7/2 then 5/2 and in the end tells you to kill one of his allies. I don't believe he's so dumb as to not realize that all that math holds true without killing and betraying his allies in the game. His entire strategy is based being a jerk because he's leaving for the weekend. The exact same out come could be achieved even if any 2 of us were mafia. The same numbers the same results, minus the betrayal and giving the mafia our roles. As soon as 2 villagers were killed out of the remaining 3 Patrick, or Ren (according to his theory) or anyone that Alex had investigated and added to our alliance could go public and kill the last 2. Pat is being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk and that's all.Edit 2:I just want to point out that Ryan's reason for voting for Dalita ("I vote for Dalita because she is on the short list of remaining people that aren't in my alliance.") is terrible, terrible, terrible. Not based on evidence AT ALL. Does not help us identify villagers or mafia. It's a stab in the dark. This coming from the guy that said the following about Phaelyn while leading the charge to her death with zero evidence... One more vote to go guys, let's finish this day off to get rid of our first mafia member!  Somehow it's okay to kill Phaelyn yesterday with no evidence, but today it's not okay even when Pat suggested Dalita in the first place. I would like to point out, for tomorrow's vote (because I'm not changing my Phaelyn vote), that two people have not posted a single time that are playing: Olivia Crowley and Dalita (even though both have been online). After mafia member Phaelyn dies, I'm gunning for these two since they are staying under the radar. Which was then seconded by Ren in the Skype chat. So even if Alex and I were mafia, it's Pat and Ren that picked Dalita. I am staying loyal to the alliance that I'm in even though we're being led by a jerk. I will not be allying with Pat in future games since regardless of his role he plays like this. I honestly suggest you all be very cautious in future games. P.S. Obviously I'm saving myself tonight Pat. You've forced me into a corner of saving myself every single night til this is over. Which also endangers everyone else. In all of your math you never stopped to figure out that besides the moral victory of remaining loyal to allies that we would still have my saving power at the same time. So that math being the same both ways means it was actually in your favor to keep our roles secret. Big surprise. Also if you remained loyal then the 4 of us could walk the finish line together. Instead you want to kill one or more of us so that you can gain a personal victory. Way to fail at being a team player. P.P.S. I haven't heard another doctor or detective come forward yet... Where are you? Oh wait, that's right. We just got stabbed in the back by a villager. I'm the doctor. |
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