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Post by hotwire on Jul 24, 2017 22:15:45 GMT -8
The 'fix' as stated is a stop gap to help forums out as they transition I suspect it won't be around long, some forums rely on Photobucket for more than just avatars and banner images, and some forums have more than a handful of posts to update.
I have a plan to entirely remove reliance on Photobucket for my existing forum without having to update every post and won't violate the ToS. However I suspect it'll cost more than most people are willing to pay for their forums. Good luck to everyone else.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Jul 24, 2017 22:26:54 GMT -8
Sadly, you are not alone. And stop gaps just aren't the answer.
I have 89 self created themes. All rely on Photobucket and all are image intense. And we've got threads and threads of photos from members. Those images will be lost for us. We have nearly 800,000 posts. There is no way to correct posts.
Themes are my only concern.
So we all know how heavily depended many of us are/were on Photobucket. Many of us are in this miserable boat together.
But stop gaps for most of us aren't the answer. That's leaving the opportunity for Photobucket to totally ban the accounts using stop gaps and making both the account and the accounts' images inaccessible. So that's not a good solution at all. It's a ticking time bomb. When you are breaking a company's ToS, you are putting your account at risk.
I know your intentions were good, but the advice is not.
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Post by hotwire on Jul 24, 2017 23:46:25 GMT -8
The way to correct posts is to use the principle of the js I published to reroute the image request to your own proxy with the image rehosted on your own storage. Fixphotobucket.com rehosted the image to an AWS instance for example so when it is requested from them again it won't be requested from PB servers. This is ultimately the only approach that will unknit your images from PB in the medium to long term. I suspect you'll be on your own doing this too as there is little to no commercial model that will work for someone to make this available. Although the fixphotobucket guy is working on something I think.
The images I'm trying to salvage from the >2 million posts on my particular forum are from users accounts not my own, PB has been trash since the day it launched it is surprising to me that so many people used it. You get what you pay for I guess.
I agree though that if you have a small forum Proboards image stuff is the best place for you. I have written my own image uploader that stores in Azure for my site after finding that imgur's ToS were not dissimilar to Photobucket.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Jul 25, 2017 1:26:18 GMT -8
From what I've seen on the FixPhotobucket site, he's been barred from retrieving images from Photobucket and converting them.
So all that's left on the site is just a message with a new hosting site recommendation. And that will require the straightforward way of doing things. Re-hosting all images to the new site, manually ~ like we've all been doing.
Having a work around that still relies on retrieving link urls from Photobucket and then patching together a fix is tenuous.
The images we're recommending being hosted on ProBoards' storage are images for themes, plugins and boards. Definitely not user content. That's not what ProBoards' storage is designated for.
I don't believe the majority of us have the intention of fixing individual posts with user images MIA.
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Post by hotwire on Jul 25, 2017 1:34:53 GMT -8
I think the majority of us have no intention of fixing individual posts with user images MIA. The loss of information here makes me furious, not with you or people running forums obviously. How many useful and compelling threads are going to be destroyed by this? Thousands of hours of work. So much waste, all because PB can't work out a moneymaking model over the past fourteen years. Ah interesting to see fixphotobucket has been taken out of action, I was unaware as I'd not been using it. *edit* just to add, I was never advocating this 'fix' for on board images it never really occurred to me that people would host that stuff in PB, theme graphics make sense in proboards storage, or if you have more than one site that uses them your own hosting is the right place.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Jul 25, 2017 1:39:27 GMT -8
It's truly sad losing a forum's history.
We've been around since 2009. So many user photos are gone. So many threads ruined.
I only checked out FixPhotobucket after reading your post. I never heard of it before you posted it!
And yes, many of us hosted theme images on Photobucket. Some were hit almost as soon as they changed their ToS. They had no warning at all. It was disastrous for many of us.
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Post by ushlstaff on Jul 25, 2017 6:28:37 GMT -8
1- You guys got a replacement for photbucket?
2- I tried uploading pictures on the forum (i had a post about this) avatar size and brian scott etc all tried to help the image uploads, but its not the right size (even with all the code lines youve given me)
thats why im asking for the replacement...
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Post by Mari Moonshin on Jul 25, 2017 7:23:20 GMT -8
Am having this same issue with photobucket and my site just died cause of it what can i do to fix this
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Post by ushlstaff on Jul 25, 2017 7:44:22 GMT -8
I found a site that works, ImgBB -> Google.
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Post by Jaguar on Jul 25, 2017 8:03:18 GMT -8
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Jul 25, 2017 11:59:58 GMT -8
Am having this same issue with photobucket and my site just died cause of it what can i do to fix this You'll need to rehost the images on another site. And some of those sites are in the link Jaguar posted.
Just be sure to read their ToS. Flickr, Imgur and now Photobucket don't allow images to be used on third party sites ~ with Photobucket allowing it only if you pay $399/yearly.
After your images are re-hosted, you'll need to remove your Photobucket links and replace them with the link from your new hosting site.
However, images for your board itself, the plugins and themes can be stored on ProBoards ~ which is the best way to go.
If you need further help, you'll need to post on the Support Board.
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Post by hotwire on Jul 25, 2017 23:52:48 GMT -8
Just be sure to read their ToS. Flickr, Imgur and now Photobucket don't allow images to be used on third party sites ~ with Photobucket allowing it only if you pay $399/yearly. It is worth noting that in the case of in message images (sharing your artwork or photos for a DIY tutorial or whatever) then Flickr is a reasonable choice, as stated in their Guidelines: " Link back to Flickr when you post your Flickr content elsewhere.
Flickr makes it possible to post content hosted on Flickr to other web sites. Pages on other web sites that display content hosted on flickr.com must provide a link from each photo or video back to its page on Flickr. This provides a way to get more information about the content and the photographer." " However they don't want you using it for hosting Icons, avatars etc.Don't use your account to host web graphics or as a replacement for a content distribution network. If we find you using your account to host generic graphic elements of web page designs, logos, banners, icons, and other non-photographic elements on other web sites, or if you show suspicious upload behavior that impacts the stability of our servers, we will warn you or delete your account." I guessing suspicious upload activity is if you link up an image uploader for your site to it, rather than relying on users to upload their own stuff. The Imgur ToS says : "Also, don't use Imgur to host image libraries you link to from elsewhere, content for your website, advertising, avatars, or anything else that turns us into your content delivery network." I had written and been using an uploader to imgur, however I found that given the wording it would have been considered an image library that I linked to from elsewhere and nothing more. I could have done some work on the uploader with their API to make it an actual public gallery with tags etc. which I think would have been acceptable to them, but it was still all a bit to ambiguous to me, so I ditched it and wrote my own image service for Azure. So yeah if users want to share images/photos/drawings etc. that they created, Flickr is a good choice still. Theme stuff as you rightly say should be hosted on proboards/their own hosting.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Jul 26, 2017 0:24:53 GMT -8
Yes, Imgur's ToS and Flickr's have been quoted often here. In fact, it's on page 1 of this thread.
And there's a Support thread when Imgur pulled the plug on using their site for content delivery.
support.proboards.com/thread/573055/use-imgur-image-hosting-read
Since most of us are admins here and have our forums wrecked by Photobucket, not merely in posts, but more importantly in forum design, most are looking for hosts that allow third party hosting for content delivery ~ if they choose not to use ProBoards' storage for same.
Posts are not the major concern. One only has to look here on Support and see the posts/threads that have been permanently maimed when these types of things happen.
Many are posting with PhotoBucket's horrid image replacement in their avatars and signatures ~ not even attempting to remove it. Forum members will do what they choose to do regarding their posts. Admins must worry about forum function, design and look.
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Post by hotwire on Jul 26, 2017 0:53:57 GMT -8
Posts are not the major concern. One only has to look here on Support and see the posts/threads that have been permanently maimed when these types of things happen.
Many are posting with PhotoBucket's horrid image replacement in their avatars and signatures ~ not even attempting to remove it. Forum members will do what they choose to do regarding their posts. Admins must worry about forum function, design and look.
Sorry I'm going to partially disagree here, your forum is your content, if your content has been degraded one of your top priorities is to sort that out. Sure it is great that your logo displays properly, and that pixie avatar you spent a week getting just right is correct, but if your forum content isn't the best it can be (ie working images for those threads that need them) then what is the point? Forums are a long tail media, they require that the old threads still work, that the content is still available, otherwise you might as well use facebook groups (*shudder*). The value of a forum is the ability to go back to it months or years later and find that bit of information, or that background to a story, or the first time something was shared or authored. It is ideally the intrinsic value of the world wide web, although domain expiration etc. have lead to (sadly) dead ends and information loss, forums can and should be able to be better than that. So yes people need to get their sites looking good again, but equally important for the future viability of discussion forums is to make sure there is minimal information loss. Right now is a window to try and sort that, before PB start deleting images from their servers, or users start doing it themselves. Obviously this isn't every forum, many are only affected in terms of theme by this, but any that are affected in terms of in message images shouldn't be throwing their hands up and saying "oh well", because their past is a part of their worth and it is important. This PB issue could accelerate a decline in forum use, which would be a shame as they have so much more to offer than the alternatives.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Jul 26, 2017 1:39:17 GMT -8
That's simply not possible. Besides themes, forums have plugins with hundreds of images hosted by Photobucket. So once those images have broken, they've broken.
It's not anything to debate about. The scale is massive. Most of us are not looking to find a way to fix posts and user content.
This Support forum itself has millions of images lost because of user content throughout the years ProBoards has been online. That's the nature of the beast. ProBoards didn't and isn't looking for a way to put them back in place. Members have posted selfies; they've posted photographs. Yet, they're no longer here. Instead, it's merely an empty space where once stood a moment in time.
This is no different than GeoCities shutting down in 2009. When Yahoo announced that decision, it was as dreaded as Photobucket's. The same with Angelfire and Tripod. Before GeoCities finally died, there was a similar period where pages with hot-linked images hosted on Angelfire and Tripod lost their images while the pages themselves still existed. In an instant, millions of images and sites were wiped off the internet.
You can't stop a rolling stone. You simply choose another path that is out of its way, pick up the pieces and go on.
This thread is not about finding a workaround for getting Photobucket's images to show up again through codes. It's about finding new sites to legally host third party images.
And admin after admin has successfully done that and are no longer worried about if/when Photobucket deletes their content. They've already moved past that and are up and running again. And I might add, looking as good, if not better, than they did before Photobucket pulled the rug out from under them.
It is absolutely sad to lose so much internet history. There is no doubt about that. But,unfortunately, that's unavoidable. When it happened with Yahoo's GeoCities, it felt like the world was ending for many, many millions. And here we are, 8 years later, with history repeating itself with Photobucket.
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