Been jabbed?

[Graham]

Sept 4, 2021 10:51:35 GMT -8 Galra Keith said:

Aug 19, 2021 7:35:24 GMT -8 Ayen said:

I was hesitant to get the vaccine at first, but after being properly educated about it and learning that I'll be able to do much more in the places I'm at I just went ahead and got it. It was the easiest shot I've gotten. Just like a flu shot. They stick you and they're done. I got both doses and just slept through the side effects that came later, but I can't tell if they were real side effects or just the power of suggestion. Either way I'm done with it and now I'm and the people around me are safer because of it.

You're a Moron Go Back To Sleep Sheeple. Vaccines Are Dangerous ! 

Either a troll or a complete prat. Shame you're so good at both we can't work out which is which.

[moonbeam]

Aug 31, 2021 14:57:19 GMT -8 User 180565 is taking donation said:

Aug 30, 2021 5:31:11 GMT -8 Shady said:

I saw an interview recently where an American scientist said that for the immunocompromised, the 3rd jab is completion of the course rather than a booster. I don’t know if they’ve already started rolling out in the US?

Im expecting a 3rd as a booster in the next couple of months as a healthcare worker. As with the first two, I’ll be booking it as early as I can. The more protection I can offer my family, friends and colleagues the better.

edit: just seen 17 votes now saying that they won’t have it. I really hope they reconsider, but I am surprised at the numbers. And that those people feel strongly enough to say that they’re dumber than a box of rocks.

Honestly I don't see it more as people being dumb but being cautious as what they want in their body. Although governments want us to believe whatever they say it's still our free will to deny something that goes in our body. Numbers are still rising in areas even with the vaccine especially states like Florida and I don't exactly think it's because people aren't getting the vaccine. Attack me all you'd like over my opinion on it though.

Bolding is mine as that's the piece I'm addressing. NOTE - all references to you/your/you're are general terms and not aimed at any specific person.


Yes, numbers are rising again because of the Delta variant. The unvaccinated are obviously more at risk for getting it, and can then spread it to others - both vaccinated or not. States like Florida seem to be hotbeds of science deniers as it is (my opinion, clearly). Then you add in the people vacationing at Disney and it's no surprise that numbers are growing. Don't even get me started on the other "my body, my choice" junk regarding masks. <eye roll>

To me, being careful of what goes in your body (not counting actual health risks that you're aware of due to past experience) is an incredibly flimsy reason as well as extremely selfish. If you have the ability to decrease the chances of (potentially) killing a person who's immunocompromised/elderly or a child who can't get the vaccine, why wouldn't you do that?

I don't know whether to be mad or sad that society has become so "all about me". I guess I'm both. So few seem to care about others around them, or put themselves in anyone else's shoes.

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Sept 4, 2021 17:36:52 GMT -8 moonbeam said:

Aug 31, 2021 14:57:19 GMT -8 User 180565 is taking donation said:

Honestly I don't see it more as people being dumb but being cautious as what they want in their body. Although governments want us to believe whatever they say it's still our free will to deny something that goes in our body. Numbers are still rising in areas even with the vaccine especially states like Florida and I don't exactly think it's because people aren't getting the vaccine. Attack me all you'd like over my opinion on it though.

Bolding is mine as that's the piece I'm addressing. NOTE - all references to you/your/you're are general terms and not aimed at any specific person.


Yes, numbers are rising again because of the Delta variant. The unvaccinated are obviously more at risk for getting it, and can then spread it to others - both vaccinated or not. States like Florida seem to be hotbeds of science deniers as it is (my opinion, clearly). Then you add in the people vacationing at Disney and it's no surprise that numbers are growing. Don't even get me started on the other "my body, my choice" junk regarding masks. <eye roll>

To me, being careful of what goes in your body (not counting actual health risks that you're aware of due to past experience) is an incredibly flimsy reason as well as extremely selfish. If you have the ability to decrease the chances of (potentially) killing a person who's immunocompromised/elderly or a child who can't get the vaccine, why wouldn't you do that?

I don't know whether to be mad or sad that society has become so "all about me". I guess I'm both. So few seem to care about others around them, or put themselves in anyone else's shoes.

So people are suppose to just be open source about their bodies and do whatever others want to them? If you don't want the vaccine still wear a mask, isn't having a mask on the entire point of not being carless about others?

I'm not against people getting their vaccine simply because it is their choice but at the same time I understand why someone may want to wait on getting one. They give you little cards proving you have one yet buildings that offer no mask guidelines for people that have had the vaccine never check them and let whoever they want to walk around without one like Walmart for example.

If a store requires masks I put them on without complaining about it because it's their guidelines and won't cause a freakout towards others that are sensitive about it.

[Nscalerr]

Had my second AZ jab on the 30th of July with no problems.

[daniel]

Sept 5, 2021 4:08:28 GMT -8 User 180565 is taking donation said:

I understand why someone may want to wait on getting one.

Sure sure. But *what* are you or anyone waiting on. That should be defined and based on some sort of rational basis, not just feefees.

Hundreds of millions of people have had doses of each type, billions all told. Lots of people have been guinea pigs along the way. So what's left?

Just remember that vaccine is out of your system in ~72 hours and then your body takes weeks to make antibodies. Don't make the mistake that so many others make and wait until you're about to be on a ventilator to think, "I wish..." That's three to six weeks too late.


I'll tell you the best part of being vaccinated for me, besides decreasing chance of major illness and death, is the alleviation of anxiety. Seriously.

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Sept 5, 2021 8:56:24 GMT -8 daniel said:

Sept 5, 2021 4:08:28 GMT -8 User 180565 is taking donation said:

I understand why someone may want to wait on getting one.

Sure sure. But *what* are you or anyone waiting on. That should be defined and based on some sort of rational basis, not just feefees.

Hundreds of millions of people have had doses of each type, billions all told. Lots of people have been guinea pigs along the way. So what's left?

Just remember that vaccine is out of your system in ~72 hours and then your body takes weeks to make antibodies. Don't make the mistake that so many others make and wait until you're about to be on a ventilator to think, "I wish..." That's three to six weeks too late.


I'll tell you the best part of being vaccinated for me, besides decreasing chance of major illness and death, is the alleviation of anxiety. Seriously.

Again if someone fears it so much and doesn't want the vaccine just wear a mask, that was our output when their was no vaccine right? Like mentioned it's a person's free will to do as they please and they shouldn't be called dumb over it. My friend just got covid for a 2nd time this week and he was super into following protocol. I never said I did or didn't get it. I'm sure their will be more options to come. Their have been talks of pill variants to help fight against covid. It wouldn't surprise me within the next couple of years we'll see over the counter options to treat it.

www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-starts-dosing-patients-oral-covid-19-drug-trial-2021-09-01/

It's still going to be a sensitive subject to many some just aren't comfortable with needles and it shouldn't be seen as simple as oh that person's being a moron about not wanting to get a shot continuously.

[Artemis]

The masks were a temporary preventative measure for when we didn't have much else and were waiting on something more effective (i.e., the vaccine).

The way I see the freedom issue is that every citizen has certain responsibilities when living in a community. We have to do things like pay taxes, which aren't fun, but in exchange we get all sorts of public services and benefits, from emergency services and paved roads to schools and libraries. Beyond paying taxes, I think doing things like taking a vaccine to help protect those in your community should be seen as one of those responsibilities. Maybe it's not fun, but again, we benefit from it. Businesses stay open, people remain employed, the economy stays more stable, hospitals remain accessible to those in need, and people don't die (especially those who for various reasons aren't able to get vaccinated).

That's just my personal take, but we see what can happen when enough people don't act to contain a virus. We get variants, lockdowns last longer, more places go out of business, hospitals are overwhelmed, and more people die. That and choosing to get the vaccine or not doesn't only affect the person making the choice.

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Again a friend of mine had both doses in June and still had gotten the virus again. I just see other options coming that will make people fear it less. Like I said their are stores like Walmart allowing people to walk freely without masks without showing any proof of getting the vaccine. The medical field will always advanced and a person having a phobia against needles shouldn't be seen as dumb but rather given other options to help prevent fear deescalation.

[Artemis]

Just for the sake of clarity, getting the vaccine doesn't mean you will never be infected. It reduces the likelihood of infection, it reduces viral load so there's less of a chance you'll spread it, and it can also make symptoms less severe, so that if you do get infected there's less of a chance you'll need to be hospitalized.

There are other options, sure. But to be frank, they just aren't as effective. I wouldn't call needlephobia dumb, but I do think that sometimes we have to do things that make us uncomfortable to see the benefits of doing so. I wouldn't call someone dumb for being afraid of the dentist, but I'd still suggest going to get a minor cavity taken care of before it gets to the point of needing a root canal or extraction later on.

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How do we know what will and won't be affective until we have it?

[Artemis]

We don't. But we also don't have those things yet, if we ever will. The fact is, we have proven methods right now to deal with it, and we know that waiting can make things worse. How long do we wait--and continue with lockdowns and overwhelmed hospitals and economic struggles--for some option that may or may not come at some nebulous point in the future?

Right now, vaccines are the gold standard. When it comes to the pills, those are being tested as a method of treatment for people who have already been infected; they aren't intended to be a stand-in for the vaccine. I don't know that we're going to see a radical shift toward other methods of immunizations with the same efficacy as vaccines anytime soon.

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It just sort of blows me away people don't understand how well the medical field advances, sure we have something that does it's job now and their will be more to come then having to get a needle in your arm. If we can take a pill to cure sinuses, runny noses etc...Then I'm sure we can take a pill to do the same against this. Again I'm not against it just see other options coming that'll help calm citizens down from it and stop the worry.

[Artemis]

I'd like to think I understand. Medical advancements are always great. But to wait for another option right now is to operate on faith. We do have an option right now, and we know that. If something else is coming, we don't know what it will be, when it will get here, how effective it will be, or when it will be widely available. To me, it just makes sense to go with a surefire option right now rather than going "well they'll figure something else out probably, eventually" while a pandemic rages in the meantime.

I'll stop clogging up the thread now though lmao thanks for hearing me out.

[Patrick [ASE]]

There's been mentions of pills, but i think that's a long way off
I also found this

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57553602
But
"There is still some way to go before trials indicate the full potential of ISR's air-dried vaccine, including whether it can offer the same level of protection as the current list of vaccines approved by the WHO.



So far, it has only been tested on mice,"

So, at the moment, the jab is the best way to go, and for those with needlephobia, you don't feel the needle, feels like someone touched your arm with a finger, though i do understand the anguish.

[moonbeam]

There are also things like the Bionix Shot Blocker, numbing creams, or the Buzzy Mini that can distract or relieve pain. Something to look into, anyway.