Been jabbed?

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The way people are acting so hellbent on this shot is amusing.

[elli]

For what it's worth, my mother is terrified of needles. She'll avoid simple dental procedures if it means avoiding a needle in her mouth, or having blood drawn for tests... but she got the vaccine as soon as it was available. Frankly, if she can do it, I think everyone else can. lol

Sept 5, 2021 23:22:10 GMT -8 User 180565 is taking donation said:

The way people are acting so hellbent on this shot is amusing.

It's actually not amusing at all. The vaccine is literally lifesaving. You aren't clever for rejecting it.

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Sept 6, 2021 9:55:18 GMT -8 elli said:

For what it's worth, my mother is terrified of needles. She'll avoid simple dental procedures if it means avoiding a needle in her mouth, or having blood drawn for tests... but she got the vaccine as soon as it was available. Frankly, if she can do it, I think everyone else can. lol

Sept 5, 2021 23:22:10 GMT -8 User 180565 is taking donation said:

The way people are acting so hellbent on this shot is amusing.

It's actually not amusing at all. The vaccine is literally lifesaving. You aren't clever for rejecting it.

Really? I'm trying to be clever about it where did I say I was rejecting it? I just know their will be advancements for it in the future, why would we not want that. People aren't being clever by demonizing others that want something different in their bodies.

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Sept 6, 2021 16:44:37 GMT -8 Galra Keith said:

Sept 6, 2021 9:55:18 GMT -8 elli said:

It's actually not amusing at all. The vaccine is literally lifesaving. You aren't clever for rejecting it.

Vaccines are NOT Lifesaving 

What would *you * call them, then?

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Sept 6, 2021 18:05:48 GMT -8 moonbeam said:

Sept 6, 2021 16:44:37 GMT -8 Galra Keith said:

Vaccines are NOT Lifesaving 

What would *you * call them, then?

A risk reducer, it's definitely not the cure by any means which is why we need to get more products on the market other then just a shot.

[Shady]

Sept 6, 2021 22:38:14 GMT -8 User 180565 is taking donation said:

Sept 6, 2021 18:05:48 GMT -8 moonbeam said:

What would *you * call them, then?

A risk reducer, it's definitely not the cure by any means which is why we need to get more products on the market other then just a shot.

And by reducing the risk of people catching it and spreading it, even if not totally eradicating the risk and even if the benefit is just marginal, it is still literally saving lives. People who have been vaccinated are less likely to end up hospitalised even if they do contract symptomatic Covid, so they aren’t clogging beds and stopping treatment of people who actually need to be there.

The nature of the virus means an out and out cure is really unlikely. Vaccination and treatments to reduce symptoms (something we do have by the way, in the form of dexamethasone and other drugs proven to improve mortality) are the way out of this.

The risk of side effects for these vaccines is so small compared to the benefits that the more time passes, the harder I find it to understand that anyone would say no. The AstraZeneca risk of blood clots is tiny compared to the risk of clots if you actually get Covid, and much lower than thing like birth control pills, for which it is generally seen as an acceptable risk. I believe most countries are even offering mRNA vaccines to younger people to alleviate that risk anyway. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have had a microscopically low number of reported serious complications compared to the number of doses given out. Vaccine side effects tend to happen relatively soon after they’re administered due to the short half life of the drug, so it’s super unlikely that we’ll see long term side effects from any of these vaccines.

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Sept 7, 2021 1:58:36 GMT -8 Shady said:

Sept 6, 2021 22:38:14 GMT -8 User 180565 is taking donation said:

A risk reducer, it's definitely not the cure by any means which is why we need to get more products on the market other then just a shot.

And by reducing the risk of people catching it and spreading it, even if not totally eradicating the risk and even if the benefit is just marginal, it is still literally saving lives. People who have been vaccinated are less likely to end up hospitalised even if they do contract symptomatic Covid, so they aren’t clogging beds and stopping treatment of people who actually need to be there.

The nature of the virus means an out and out cure is really unlikely. Vaccination and treatments to reduce symptoms (something we do have by the way, in the form of dexamethasone and other drugs proven to improve mortality) are the way out of this.

The risk of side effects for these vaccines is so small compared to the benefits that the more time passes, the harder I find it to understand that anyone would say no. The AstraZeneca risk of blood clots is tiny compared to the risk of clots if you actually get Covid, and much lower than thing like birth control pills, for which it is generally seen as an acceptable risk. I believe most countries are even offering mRNA vaccines to younger people to alleviate that risk anyway. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have had a microscopically low number of reported serious complications compared to the number of doses given out. Vaccine side effects tend to happen relatively soon after they’re administered due to the short half life of the drug, so it’s super unlikely that we’ll see long term side effects from any of these vaccines.

So why don't we want it in other form factors also instead of needing to go through doctors if we do catch it?

They could make an FDA rapid tester available to the public and use of medications so we don't need just a shot that's the beauty of medical advancements and in home treatment and the only way to lower public freak out to it in my eyes.

[Shady]

Sept 7, 2021 5:20:00 GMT -8 User 180565 is taking donation said:

Sept 7, 2021 1:58:36 GMT -8 Shady said:

And by reducing the risk of people catching it and spreading it, even if not totally eradicating the risk and even if the benefit is just marginal, it is still literally saving lives. People who have been vaccinated are less likely to end up hospitalised even if they do contract symptomatic Covid, so they aren’t clogging beds and stopping treatment of people who actually need to be there.

The nature of the virus means an out and out cure is really unlikely. Vaccination and treatments to reduce symptoms (something we do have by the way, in the form of dexamethasone and other drugs proven to improve mortality) are the way out of this.

The risk of side effects for these vaccines is so small compared to the benefits that the more time passes, the harder I find it to understand that anyone would say no. The AstraZeneca risk of blood clots is tiny compared to the risk of clots if you actually get Covid, and much lower than thing like birth control pills, for which it is generally seen as an acceptable risk. I believe most countries are even offering mRNA vaccines to younger people to alleviate that risk anyway. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have had a microscopically low number of reported serious complications compared to the number of doses given out. Vaccine side effects tend to happen relatively soon after they’re administered due to the short half life of the drug, so it’s super unlikely that we’ll see long term side effects from any of these vaccines.

So why don't we want it in other form factors also instead of needing to go through doctors if we do catch it?

They could make an FDA rapid tester available to the public and use of medications so we don't need just a shot that's the beauty of medical advancements and in home treatment and the only way to lower public freak out to it in my eyes.

I don’t get your question at all. If you don’t need a doctor, you’re not ill enough to need treatment in the home. The treatments available are to prevent people ill enough to be in hospital from needing a ventilator and/or dying. Treatments aren’t relevant to the vaccination program, which should stop more people from either getting it, or suffering from symptoms severe enough to be hospitalised. The treatments are for symptoms, and won’t stop anyone from spreading it.

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Sept 7, 2021 6:00:13 GMT -8 Shady said:

Sept 7, 2021 5:20:00 GMT -8 User 180565 is taking donation said:

So why don't we want it in other form factors also instead of needing to go through doctors if we do catch it?

They could make an FDA rapid tester available to the public and use of medications so we don't need just a shot that's the beauty of medical advancements and in home treatment and the only way to lower public freak out to it in my eyes.

I don’t get your question at all. If you don’t need a doctor, you’re not ill enough to need treatment in the home. The treatments available are to prevent people ill enough to be in hospital from needing a ventilator and/or dying. Treatments aren’t relevant to the vaccination program, which should stop more people from either getting it, or suffering from symptoms severe enough to be hospitalised. The treatments are for symptoms, and won’t stop anyone from spreading it.

If we have more widely spread available kits that detect you have covid at home approved by government standards then you could just buy it at any store ring up your doctor with results and he could prescribe covid medications as well as other methods to get you vaccinated without the use of the shot thus having hospital capacity lowered and less cases of covid going through hospital air so they could be more focused on treating someone that may rush in with a bullet hole leaking blood and not be over whelmed with covid.

That's why it's just silly to rely on a shot and that's it we should be pushing governments to make in home treatment, if we can make a vaccine in like a year or two no way you can't tell me they can come up with options to help lower hospital patients unless it's a dier situation and not every covid case is especially in younger people

As it is numbers are still rising and I don't think it's not because we aren't getting vaccinated as I said I have a friend that had both shots and still got covid.

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Sept 7, 2021 6:26:02 GMT -8 User 180565 is taking donation said:

Sept 7, 2021 6:00:13 GMT -8 Shady said:

I don’t get your question at all. If you don’t need a doctor, you’re not ill enough to need treatment in the home. The treatments available are to prevent people ill enough to be in hospital from needing a ventilator and/or dying. Treatments aren’t relevant to the vaccination program, which should stop more people from either getting it, or suffering from symptoms severe enough to be hospitalised. The treatments are for symptoms, and won’t stop anyone from spreading it.

If we have more widely spread available kits that detect you have covid at home approved by government standards then you could just buy it at any store ring up your doctor with results and he could prescribe covid medications as well as other methods to get you vaccinated without the use of the shot thus having hospital capacity lowered and less cases of covid going through hospital air so they could be more focused on treating someone that may rush in with a bullet hole leaking blood and not be over whelmed with covid.

That's why it's just silly to rely on a shot and that's it we should be pushing governments to make in home treatment, if we can make a vaccine in like a year or two no way you can't tell me they can come up with options to help lower hospital patients unless it's a dier situation and not every covid case is especially in younger people

As it is numbers are still rising and I don't think it's not because we aren't getting vaccinated as I said I have a friend that had both shots and still got covid.

Other than for extreme needle-phobics, why is it a problem whether someone is vaccinated by “shot” over pills/nasal spray? At home test kits will never be as accurate as a laboratory PCR. The technology for amplifying RNA and accurately measuring it is not exactly a portable thing people can have in their homes. In the UK, everyone is entitled to free rapid antigen lateral flow kits to use at home, but their accuracy isn’t that high and they’re designed to screen out a few asymptomatic positives rather than being diagnostic for those who need treatment.  

The fact also remains that if you’re well enough to stay at home and call a doctor, you don’t actually need treating for Covid. Numbers are rising as new variants pop up, and as the world opens up. In the UK, we have very few restrictions now and international travel is allowed between certain countries. Numbers will only stay low if we stay in lockdowns forever, which is something no one wants.

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Sept 7, 2021 7:20:21 GMT -8 Shady said:

Sept 7, 2021 6:26:02 GMT -8 User 180565 is taking donation said:

If we have more widely spread available kits that detect you have covid at home approved by government standards then you could just buy it at any store ring up your doctor with results and he could prescribe covid medications as well as other methods to get you vaccinated without the use of the shot thus having hospital capacity lowered and less cases of covid going through hospital air so they could be more focused on treating someone that may rush in with a bullet hole leaking blood and not be over whelmed with covid.

That's why it's just silly to rely on a shot and that's it we should be pushing governments to make in home treatment, if we can make a vaccine in like a year or two no way you can't tell me they can come up with options to help lower hospital patients unless it's a dier situation and not every covid case is especially in younger people

As it is numbers are still rising and I don't think it's not because we aren't getting vaccinated as I said I have a friend that had both shots and still got covid.

Other than for extreme needle-phobics, why is it a problem whether someone is vaccinated by “shot” over pills/nasal spray? At home test kits will never be as accurate as a laboratory PCR. The technology for amplifying RNA and accurately measuring it is not exactly a portable thing people can have in their homes. In the UK, everyone is entitled to free rapid antigen lateral flow kits to use at home, but their accuracy isn’t that high and they’re designed to screen out a few asymptomatic positives rather than being diagnostic for those who need treatment.  

The fact also remains that if you’re well enough to stay at home and call a doctor, you don’t actually need treating for Covid. Numbers are rising as new variants pop up, and as the world opens up. In the UK, we have very few restrictions now and international travel is allowed between certain countries. Numbers will only stay low if we stay in lockdowns forever, which is something no one wants.

When did I say it was a problem? I'm saying to just rely on one sort of method is silly when we have technology and scientific brains well enough to produce a vaccine within one or two years we could do the same for people at home. If we have more widely spread options to the public that work people will fear it less causing lock downs not to happen. That's the entire point of medical advancements, why would you not want an option where you could just go into a supermarket buy it and feel better within a week or two?

[Shady]

Sept 7, 2021 7:25:18 GMT -8 User 180565 is taking donation said:

Sept 7, 2021 7:20:21 GMT -8 Shady said:

Other than for extreme needle-phobics, why is it a problem whether someone is vaccinated by “shot” over pills/nasal spray? At home test kits will never be as accurate as a laboratory PCR. The technology for amplifying RNA and accurately measuring it is not exactly a portable thing people can have in their homes. In the UK, everyone is entitled to free rapid antigen lateral flow kits to use at home, but their accuracy isn’t that high and they’re designed to screen out a few asymptomatic positives rather than being diagnostic for those who need treatment.  

The fact also remains that if you’re well enough to stay at home and call a doctor, you don’t actually need treating for Covid. Numbers are rising as new variants pop up, and as the world opens up. In the UK, we have very few restrictions now and international travel is allowed between certain countries. Numbers will only stay low if we stay in lockdowns forever, which is something no one wants.

When did I say it was a problem? I'm saying to just rely on one sort of method is silly when we have technology and scientific brains well enough to produce a vaccine within one or two years we could do the same for people at home. If we have more widely spread options to the public that work people will fear it less causing lock downs not to happen. That's the entire point of medical advancements, why would you not want an option where you could just go into a supermarket buy it and feel better within a week or two?

I’m not sure how else to phrase it, but if you are well enough to stay home and not go to the hospital, you literally do not need treatment, in the same way as you don’t need treatment for a cold. There is nothing that people at home need. They are looking into how to treat long covid, but I think that’ll take a while to deal with as they don’t really know what causes it yet. The vaccines came out quickly because the groundwork was already there, whereas long covid is totally new. The average person will already feel better in a week or two without treatment, and absolutely should not go to a supermarket if they have symptoms as they risk spreading to others. For those with long covid, in the UK at least there are now clinics to help with the long term effects, and hopefully there will be answers with more research about whether anything can be done for them.

No one is relying on one sort of method. It’s likely that a nasal spray will be produced, similar to the one given to children for flu vaccination. As work on this wasn't already in progress pre-pandemic, it will take longer. You still seem to be fixated on it being a shot, which is why I implied you’d said it was a problem.

I think I’m done here because I’m not really sure you understand what it is you disagree with. I’d recommend doing some reading on the vaccines and treatments available, what research is ongoing, and who will benefit. If you do your research, understand what you’ve read, and still don’t want to get vaccinated…fair play to you. Right now I’m not sure if you’re just saying you don’t want it to be difficult. 

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Sept 7, 2021 7:37:13 GMT -8 Shady said:

Sept 7, 2021 7:25:18 GMT -8 User 180565 is taking donation said:

When did I say it was a problem? I'm saying to just rely on one sort of method is silly when we have technology and scientific brains well enough to produce a vaccine within one or two years we could do the same for people at home. If we have more widely spread options to the public that work people will fear it less causing lock downs not to happen. That's the entire point of medical advancements, why would you not want an option where you could just go into a supermarket buy it and feel better within a week or two?

I’m not sure how else to phrase it, but if you are well enough to stay home and not go to the hospital, you literally do not need treatment, in the same way as you don’t need treatment for a cold. There is nothing that people at home need. They are looking into how to treat long covid, but I think that’ll take a while to deal with as they don’t really know what causes it yet. The vaccines came out quickly because the groundwork was already there, whereas long covid is totally new. The average person will already feel better in a week or two without treatment, and absolutely should not go to a supermarket if they have symptoms as they risk spreading to others. For those with long covid, in the UK at least there are now clinics to help with the long term effects, and hopefully there will be answers with more research about whether anything can be done for them.

No one is relying on one sort of method. It’s likely that a nasal spray will be produced, similar to the one given to children for flu vaccination. As work on this wasn't already in progress pre-pandemic, it will take longer. You still seem to be fixated on it being a shot, which is why I implied you’d said it was a problem.

I think I’m done here because I’m not really sure you understand what it is you disagree with. I’d recommend doing some reading on the vaccines and treatments available, what research is ongoing, and who will benefit. If you do your research, understand what you’ve read, and still don’t want to get vaccinated…fair play to you. Right now I’m not sure if you’re just saying you don’t want it to be difficult. 

I'd also recommend you go back and re-read some of my wording. I've said from the start I'm not against anything but know more options for treatment can be produced because we have scientists with brains that are smart enough to do so. Luckily we have services and friends and family willing to pick up prescriptions for people that are sick.

I understand people's fears and their will be work around, hopefully some of them having the same formulas as the vaccine.

[daniel]

I understand having an issue with needles. A close relative goes through that. I don't think that should muddy a discussion about vaccines, though. With hospitals overflowing now it's up to any sensible adult to do their part. If you don't, then cool, just be safe and maybe turn down the volume so that everybody else can get good and accurate info.

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Sept 7, 2021 15:37:33 GMT -8 daniel said:

I understand having an issue with needles. A close relative goes through that. I don't think that should muddy a discussion about vaccines, though. With hospitals overflowing now it's up to any sensible adult to do their part. If you don't, then cool, just be safe and maybe turn down the volume so that everybody else can get good and accurate info.

What inaccurate info has been said other then saying people shouldn't rely on just a shot and have other options more publicly available to them without having to go to hospitals?