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Post by bluegranite on Jul 7, 2017 6:39:53 GMT -8
I read in previous comments that some forum creators lost images hosted by Photobucket...I'm looking over my forum and dont' see any lost images, neither the images posted as attachments, nor those posted as URL links to another website. So far so good, all is okay.
Sooo....why this nasty popup box every time I go to post a new thread? Is that going to always appear? Is ProBoards allowing this for a short period of time just to notify those who have a PhotoBUcket account? I want to get rid of that. ANy way I can get it out?
I'm reading about "image hosting" and realizing it's being described as places to store images online and get them changed to URLs. Is that all Photobucket is? LIke TinyPic? I have used TinyPic for many images on my site. But, when I used TinyPic, I used it without ever creating an account. Which I see the great advantage to, now that I'm reading about PhotoBucket's apparent move to hold users hostage by suddenly asking for a large fee to be paid for a formerly free service. If you are able to store images on a site without ever creating an account, then that site cannot very easily turn around and ask you to pay a fee to continue to store images on their site --- because a fee would have to be linked to an account, and if you store the images without an account then it's pretty impossible for them to now hold those hostage over a fee request.
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Post by Scott on Jul 7, 2017 8:09:44 GMT -8
I read in previous comments that some forum creators lost images hosted by Photobucket...I'm looking over my forum and dont' see any lost images, neither the images posted as attachments, nor those posted as URL links to another website. So far so good, all is okay. Sooo....why this nasty popup box every time I go to post a new thread? Is that going to always appear? Is ProBoards allowing this for a short period of time just to notify those who have a PhotoBUcket account? I want to get rid of that. ANy way I can get it out? I'm reading about "image hosting" and realizing it's being described as places to store images online and get them changed to URLs. Is that all Photobucket is? LIke TinyPic? I have used TinyPic for many images on my site. But, when I used TinyPic, I used it without ever creating an account. Which I see the great advantage to, now that I'm reading about PhotoBucket's apparent move to hold users hostage by suddenly asking for a large fee to be paid for a formerly free service. If you are able to store images on a site without ever creating an account, then that site cannot very easily turn around and ask you to pay a fee to continue to store images on their site --- because a fee would have to be linked to an account, and if you store the images without an account then it's pretty impossible for them to now hold those hostage over a fee request. Just a note that TinyPic is owned by Photobucket so there's no guarantee you'll be "safe" using that service. Additionally, not having an account may not necessarily be a good thing. If the photobucket/tinypic service detects a high linking/embedding usage for an image/images and there is no account to contact the 'owner' of the images, they could then very well just delete the images, in which case if you do not have a backup or such, they'd be lost. It's always been my experience that trying to finagle your way around a policy or situation my seem like a win at the immediate, but comes back to bite you in the arse later on.
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Post by bluegranite on Jul 7, 2017 8:29:08 GMT -8
I read in previous comments that some forum creators lost images hosted by Photobucket...I'm looking over my forum and dont' see any lost images, neither the images posted as attachments, nor those posted as URL links to another website. So far so good, all is okay. Sooo....why this nasty popup box every time I go to post a new thread? Is that going to always appear? Is ProBoards allowing this for a short period of time just to notify those who have a PhotoBUcket account? I want to get rid of that. ANy way I can get it out? I'm reading about "image hosting" and realizing it's being described as places to store images online and get them changed to URLs. Is that all Photobucket is? LIke TinyPic? I have used TinyPic for many images on my site. But, when I used TinyPic, I used it without ever creating an account. Which I see the great advantage to, now that I'm reading about PhotoBucket's apparent move to hold users hostage by suddenly asking for a large fee to be paid for a formerly free service. If you are able to store images on a site without ever creating an account, then that site cannot very easily turn around and ask you to pay a fee to continue to store images on their site --- because a fee would have to be linked to an account, and if you store the images without an account then it's pretty impossible for them to now hold those hostage over a fee request. Just a note that TinyPic is owned by Photobucket so there's no guarantee you'll be "safe" using that service. Additionally, not having an account may not necessarily be a good thing. If the photobucket/tinypic service detects a high linking/embedding usage for an image/images and there is no account to contact the 'owner' of the images, they could then very well just delete the images, in which case if you do not have a backup or such, they'd be lost. It's always been my experience that trying to finagle your way around a policy or situation my seem like a win at the immediate, but comes back to bite you in the arse later on. I didn't realize that TinyPic was owned by Photobucket. That's annoying -- I may end up losing many images. Fortunately, more recently, within the last year or so, I've stopped using TinyPic for 2 reasons: (1) I always found it so cumbersome to use, because you would have to navigate the many ads and popups on their site, and also, you had to watch video ads and enter the codes from those, in order to upload images. That was so time consuming and annoying. I had the TinyPic site crash on me many times while trying to upload images. (2) I never did like their disclaimer that any images I uploaded on their site, they were free to use. So what I do now, which I recommend to other ProBoards users, is 2 things: (1) I have a couple free Wordpress websites,. and I'm able to upload my own images to those sites, which then get a URL that then allow any of my images to be embedded on my Proboards forum using the HTML code to add web image links to posts. Free Wordpress sites only allow a certain limited GB storage for images, so there is that limitation. (2) FaceBook allows images to be posted without charge and apparently without limit. So if you have a FB account, you can post images to a private (or public) area on your own page, or private (or public) group, and then this will give you a URL for those images so that you can link them to your forum.
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Post by Scott on Jul 7, 2017 8:40:17 GMT -8
So what I do now, which I recommend to other ProBoards users, is 2 things: (1) I have a couple free Wordpress websites,. and I'm able to upload my own images to those sites, which then get a URL that then allow any of my images to be embedded on my Proboards forum using the HTML code to add web image links to posts. Free Wordpress sites only allow a certain limited GB storage for images, so there is that limitation. (2) FaceBook allows images to be posted without charge and apparently without limit. So if you have a FB account, you can post images to a private (or public) area on your own page, or private (or public) group, and then this will give you a URL for those images so that you can link them to your forum. I strongly urge you not to make the recommendations you listed above or to do this yourself. Wordpress and Facebook are not image hosting sites and they can monitor the usage of the image links from their site that are used in the manner you described and could very likely shut your accounts down for not using them as intended. If we discovered a member using PB this way, hosting images used on another site/service, you'd be out of here faster than you can say quidditch! You need to use a true image hosting service. Here is our External Resources list. It includes image hosting services. I suggest you check them out and find the one that best meets your needs.
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Post by leif on Jul 7, 2017 10:35:24 GMT -8
I agree. Use an image host to host images. Do not abuse the Terms of Service or the benefit offered by services that also implements image hosting (for use on their own site) like Facebook, WordPress.Com, Discord, Twitter, or any other social media website. I highly recommend doing what Scott said and go to the External Resources. My biggest piece of advice, for your THEME IMAGES, ALWAYS DIRECT HOST USING THE THEME EDITOR HOST! For character images, post images, etc, use any Image Host as listed in the official ProBoards External Resources link!
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Post by bluegranite on Jul 7, 2017 12:40:54 GMT -8
So what I do now, which I recommend to other ProBoards users, is 2 things: (1) I have a couple free Wordpress websites,. and I'm able to upload my own images to those sites, which then get a URL that then allow any of my images to be embedded on my Proboards forum using the HTML code to add web image links to posts. Free Wordpress sites only allow a certain limited GB storage for images, so there is that limitation. (2) FaceBook allows images to be posted without charge and apparently without limit. So if you have a FB account, you can post images to a private (or public) area on your own page, or private (or public) group, and then this will give you a URL for those images so that you can link them to your forum. I strongly urge you not to make the recommendations you listed above or to do this yourself. Wordpress and Facebook are not image hosting sites and they can monitor the usage of the image links from their site that are used in the manner you described and could very likely shut your accounts down for not using them as intended. If we discovered a member using PB this way, hosting images used on another site/service, you'd be out of here faster than you can say quidditch! You need to use a true image hosting service. Here is our External Resources list. It includes image hosting services. I suggest you check them out and find the one that best meets your needs. I didn't realize it would create any type of problem to copy images from one site I use, to another website. Can anyone elaborate or point me to relevant terms of service which would help clarify this issue?
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Post by Kami on Jul 7, 2017 12:59:07 GMT -8
I strongly urge you not to make the recommendations you listed above or to do this yourself. Wordpress and Facebook are not image hosting sites and they can monitor the usage of the image links from their site that are used in the manner you described and could very likely shut your accounts down for not using them as intended. If we discovered a member using PB this way, hosting images used on another site/service, you'd be out of here faster than you can say quidditch! You need to use a true image hosting service. Here is our External Resources list. It includes image hosting services. I suggest you check them out and find the one that best meets your needs. I didn't realize it would create any type of problem to copy images from one site I use, to another website. Can anyone elaborate or point me to relevant terms of service which would help clarify this issue? No, not really. Each service has their own TOS, so that would be something you'd have to take up with them / research yourself.
On that note, though, it's not really a matter of "copying" the image but using the resources of another provider.
Imagine if you were charged $1 every time your image was loaded. On the "source" website, your page is loaded 100 times, so that's $100 dollars, something you budgeted for. Then imagine that image was posted on someone else's website, and you had no control over it. That image then gets loaded 1,000 times. That's another $1000 dollars you haven't accounted for in your budget.
Similarly, a service allocates a certain amount of resources to each user, within the parameters of their service. Using a service for something they weren't meant for in order to take advantage of their resources is a financial strain as well as a resource strain for that service (and not to mention rather ... jerky to do).
Part of the reason there are paid plans in addition to free plans on these services is so that the service can offset their own costs; if you notice, paid plans are frequently targeted at those who expect to use more resources, and while the payment turns a profit, there's also an actual need for money to accommodate the higher resource use.
The reason Photobucket has decided to hold peoples' images ransom is because they're not making enough money. Do I think they're charging something reasonable? No. Do I think their methods are ethical? Also no. But the base concern -- the company's bottom line -- is a very real, very common one.
Using a service's resources to circumvent limitations on another service contributes to this problem for another company so unless you want to see all free services go belly up, do not encourage people to do this.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Jul 7, 2017 13:04:55 GMT -8
bluegranite , a hosting site is set up specifically to host images. Whether that host will allow sharing the images to a 3rd party will be in their ToS. All sites have Terms of Service, Terms and Conditions, or Conditions of Service. Just click on those links on any site you are on.
Image hosting sites are provided on this ProBoards' link.
Word Press, Facebook do NOT advertise as, nor are they, image hosting providers. That is not the intent or purpose of their business.
So when you hot link from their site solely for the purpose of hosting that image on another site, you are not using that site for its intended purpose.
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Post by bluegranite on Jul 7, 2017 14:43:28 GMT -8
bluegranite , a hosting site is set up specifically to host images. Whether that host will allow sharing the images to a 3rd party will be in their ToS. All sites have Terms of Service, Terms and Conditions, or Conditions of Service. Just click on those links on any site you are on.
Image hosting sites are provided on this ProBoards' link.
Word Press, Facebook do NOT advertise as, nor are they, image hosting providers. That is not the intent or purpose of their business.
So when you hot link from their site solely for the purpose of hosting that image on another site, you are not using that site for its intended purpose.
What is a "hot link"? I am sorry I'm apparently so un-knowledgeable...today is the first time I've heard the term "image hosting", and I've also never heard the term "hot link". I guess I'm not as knowledgeable about running websites as some are... I didn't realize there were all these complexities. Kami thank you for the explanation of expenses involved in loading pages and budget amounts...your explanation helps and I am getting some hint of what is involved here, but I know so little about how the internet works that I did not realize there could be costs associated with pages or images loading. I do think it's difficult for those of us who are not familiar with all of these things about the internet, to understand the reasons for the protocol/terms of service that you're explaining here. I don't know if I'm an anomaly, but I would expect that a substantial number of people who create websites are like me in that we really don't understand much about how the internet works...we're just amazed that there is such a thing as the internet and that it's possible to create websites. Terms of service can be quite long and even if we read all the info, it may be difficult to understand it all particularly if we dont' know these phrases or how the internet works.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Jul 7, 2017 15:37:01 GMT -8
The best advice for theme images here on ProBoards, bluegranite , it to utilize ProBoards' storage for theme related images. Then you'll have no problem going forward.
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Post by bigballofyarn on Jul 8, 2017 4:32:41 GMT -8
ScottAm I allowed to use the Proboards attachment feature or Custom Theme Images section to upload and "hotlink" to images on my own forum? For example, I am using the shop plugin. If I hosted the shop items via Proboards attachments, and the images were only used on Proboards, would this be allowed?
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Post by Scott on Jul 8, 2017 7:56:27 GMT -8
Scott For example, I am using the shop plugin. If I hosted the shop items via Proboards attachments, and the images were only used on Proboards, would this be allowed? Yes.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Jul 8, 2017 18:31:35 GMT -8
I'm loading my theme images and plugin images, including smilies, onto ProBoards' storage from my computer to the custom images section, Forever Sunshine . Of course, you have to add ProBoards' link in every single line, but at least I know this won't occur again by going this route. I should have done it the FIRST time. But you know what they say about hindsight.
I thought the conversion to v6 would force me to cut back on the number of themes I have because I'm not going to convert all of those to v6 formatting. But this forced the the cut back decision on me much earlier than intended.
The best place for images that are on my ProBoards' forum is in ProBoards' storage. I'm not going through this again. Fool me once . . . .
I also have them backed up on a fantastic, trustworthy site and on my computer, as well.
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Jul 8, 2017 18:44:23 GMT -8
I'm loading my theme images and plugin images, including smilies, onto ProBoards' storage from my computer to the custom images section, Forever Sunshine . Of course, you have to add ProBoards' link in every single line, but at least I know this won't occur again by going this route. I should have done it the FIRST time. But you know what they say about hindsight.
I thought the conversion to v6 would force me to cut back on the number of themes I have because I'm not going to convert all of those to v6 formatting. But this forced the the cut back decision on me much earlier than intended.
The best place for images that are on my ProBoards' forum is in ProBoards' storage. I'm not going through this again. Fool me once . . . .
I also have them backed up on a fantastic, trustworthy site and on my computer, as well. Ah yes, hindsight! A wonderful thing, innit? LOL I'm dreading the next conversion but like I said to sassy, I'm just going to disable 90% of my themes and keep a handful. It's just not worth the aggravation and rise in blood pressure.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Jul 8, 2017 18:45:15 GMT -8
IMO, Photobucket has made a bad business decision, and they will pay dearly for this! Tinypics is also owned and operated by Photobucket, so I am certain, they will follow suit in time. The ads were so annoying on Photobucket, that once I deleted them all, I was outta the mood! So I choose Imgur and transferred all my images there and deleted from Photobucket and Tinypics. Imgur has no ads and is so much quicker! You all may want to check it out!
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