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Post by Former Member on Feb 28, 2016 4:41:45 GMT -8
@burkeknight: I have little sympathy for anyone who dumps their data onto a free hosting service (especially without a backup) and expects the content to just stay there forever, with no rate limits, no storage limits, no restrictions or caveats. Let's say you open up a free image hosting service. How many servers do you buy? One? Ten? A hundred? What if you buy ten, and within a year half the Internet decides it's their prerogative to dump anything they feel like onto your free servers? Are you incompetent? How about if you buy a hundred servers and the Internet says to hell with your free service because Google opens up free content hosting a few months later? Now you're definitely broke. Are you also incompetent? When they started up--seven years ago--imgur had absolutely no way of predicting how popular or unpopular their service would be. They have zero control over how many people use it and what it's used for. It's free. There's no limit to how much people can and will abuse free goods and services. You and I both know that if imgur kept up its free, unrestricted service, and continued to offer low latency and high uptime, eventually the whole bloody Internet would be dumping every byte of non-commercial detritus in existence onto imgur servers. Hence basically what you're saying is that a company like imgur is incompetent if they want to offer free hosting but they're unable or unwilling to do it for the entire Internet. Screw that. You want reliable service with uptime and persistence guarantees? Pay for it. imgur offers commercial packages right there on their site. Deal with capacity limits, rate limits, and all the headaches that give you the right to be ticked off when imgur goes down or decides to change their ToS. You're entitled to complain because you're paying them good money and getting a decidedly finite degree of hosting in return. That's how the real world works. That's why the miscellany on my home board is hosted off a paid service that costs me a few bucks a month. If yours is the same: good for you. If not, get it there, because one thing we can agree on is that imgur may very well say "screw it" to the whole free hosting experiment, and anyone using them as a CDN will be taking a bath. Like I said, I do "pay" for it. I run a web host. However, if they were not covering the costs by their paid services, then this is more on them, than anyone else. Plain and simple. Personally, I only use image hosts for a few things. I'd rather just use my own servers. Easier to manage, and no dealing with sites that may be under lower resource servers. However, my point stands, that they changed their ways, and are making themselves to be less the image host they started as, and got popular as. This, is going to hurt them, reputation wise. I doubt their new way is going to be a hit with their "clients". Yes, the real world.... Get off your high horse, and stop thinking other people do not know the real world. I know it, very well, bud.... Trust me on that.
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Post by leif on Feb 29, 2016 19:50:47 GMT -8
@burkeknight : I have little sympathy for anyone who dumps their data onto a free hosting service (especially without a backup) and expects the content to just stay there forever, with no rate limits, no storage limits, no restrictions or caveats. Let's say you open up a free image hosting service. How many servers do you buy? One? Ten? A hundred? What if you buy ten, and within a year half the Internet decides it's their prerogative to dump anything they feel like onto your free servers? Are you incompetent? How about if you buy a hundred servers and the Internet says to hell with your free service because Google opens up free content hosting a few months later? Now you're definitely broke. Are you also incompetent? When they started up--seven years ago--imgur had absolutely no way of predicting how popular or unpopular their service would be. They have zero control over how many people use it and what it's used for. It's free. There's no limit to how much people can and will abuse free goods and services. You and I both know that if imgur kept up its free, unrestricted service, and continued to offer low latency and high uptime, eventually the whole bloody Internet would be dumping every byte of non-commercial detritus in existence onto imgur servers. Hence basically what you're saying is that a company like imgur is incompetent if they want to offer free hosting but they're unable or unwilling to do it for the entire Internet. Screw that. You want reliable service with uptime and persistence guarantees? Pay for it. imgur offers commercial packages right there on their site. Deal with capacity limits, rate limits, and all the headaches that give you the right to be ticked off when imgur goes down or decides to change their ToS. You're entitled to complain because you're paying them good money and getting a decidedly finite degree of hosting in return. That's how the real world works. That's why the miscellany on my home board is hosted off a paid service that costs me a few bucks a month. If yours is the same: good for you. If not, get it there, because one thing we can agree on is that imgur may very well say "screw it" to the whole free hosting experiment, and anyone using them as a CDN will be taking a bath. This is what scares me. I opened up my own image host in response to all of this. It's growing rapidly after a clever campaign with Shadowplay. It's targeted toward the graphics makers/RPG niche and it's thriving very well. No ads yet, I just happened to have a lot of extra space on the very good hosting plan I got many years ago with BigWetFish. I wonder what will happen if I grow out of control. Imgur got out of control long ago and monetized to keep it alive, which is amazing and interesting. I ended up getting a CDN for it as well. I plan on shutting off new registrations once I foresee the growth as unsustainable. Imgur's commercial use is only for it's API, not for massive image storage or using them as a CDN.
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Post by Scott on Mar 4, 2016 16:08:19 GMT -8
charly1I think perhaps you may wish to go back and just read the very first post of this thread. It most likely will impact your post.
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Post by T.C. on Mar 5, 2016 13:09:15 GMT -8
There's nothing new concerning the Bold text. That's been in place. They expounded on it a bit further for those who didn't seem to get what they were saying. I'm not concerned with the new wording that much. I personally don't use them that way and never have. The problem as i understand it, is that one host in particular had a very small storage area that you paid a premium for to even get that storage space. If you're a premium user, you get 2GB of space for images. So essentially imgur was being used as their CDN instead of them.
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Post by Matt on Apr 15, 2016 11:23:09 GMT -8
Is it still recommended that we don't use imgur?
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Post by Lynx on Apr 15, 2016 11:35:43 GMT -8
I would say - most likely. Imgur hasn't changed their ToS from when this was posted, so you could still run into issues / blacklisting of forum and / or even having your Imgur account banned.
Remember that this thread came to being because of Imgur's ToS, not PB's ToS.
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Post by Matt on Apr 15, 2016 12:00:21 GMT -8
I would say - most likely. Imgur hasn't changed their ToS from when this was posted, so you could still run into issues / blacklisting of forum and / or even having your Imgur account banned. Remember that this thread came to being because of Imgur's ToS, not PB's ToS. ok yeah then I'll stick to post image I think.
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Post by Mixed on Apr 15, 2016 13:52:16 GMT -8
Please correct me if I am mistaken but I thought this referred to using the photos in themes and such and not when simply sharing the photos/images.
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Post by Scott on Apr 15, 2016 14:16:15 GMT -8
Mixedimgur's policy covers all uses in regards to forums. Basically they're saying that heavy use of their service by forums uses a lot of their bandwidth for supplying the images and they get no return to cover their costs.
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Post by Mixed on Apr 15, 2016 14:32:59 GMT -8
Okay, so to be safe, Scott, you think I should stop using imgur even to host the photos I share in our I Spy game? Just want to be sure. I don't want to get anyone banned.
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Post by Matt on Apr 15, 2016 14:42:29 GMT -8
I would recommend post image for an image host, that's the one I use
If imgur blocks that user or the proboards domain then it could ruin all the forums with imgur hosted photos.
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Post by Scott on Apr 15, 2016 14:57:01 GMT -8
MixedCan't see how it will get anyone banned. 1) This is imgur's policy (we don't enforce anything regarding this) 2) We just provided this message as a help to our members 3) Whether anything happens or not, who knows. I believe the most imgur will due is stop sharing the image(s) and/or close or limit a user's account. Again, IDK 4) If you continue to use them or not is totally up to you.
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Post by Mixed on Apr 15, 2016 15:00:45 GMT -8
Thanks, Scott. Definitely will figure something, but frankly, I'm not in a big rush since I took everything that loaded with every refresh off imgur already. I doubt a thread will use up SO much bandwidth, right? And Matt, thanks for the recommendation. I just think this situation could potentially happen with most image hosts. Just a matter of opinion on the controlling end probably.
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Post by Lynx on Apr 15, 2016 16:36:32 GMT -8
I tend to use Imgur for just linking images I may use in PM's. That's about the extent of my "safety" range of using Imgur.
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Post by Jaguar on Apr 15, 2016 17:39:30 GMT -8
I just deleted all my Forums Backgrounds, Banners, Icon's from Imgur and also my account. Thanks Michael for letting us all know about this matter.
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