New Bumping Rules - Please Read

[Kami]

Nov 11, 2016 18:13:08 GMT -8 The Maniac On Wheels (The MOW) said:

Nov 11, 2016 17:00:51 GMT -8 Kami said:

I believe this is the point. Those who like the old way better will have experienced an advantage, regardless of whether or not they feel that they received one. To illustrate: you were able to bump one of your advertisement threads on Nov. 05 at the following times (Pacific, for me):

- 08:35 am
- 09:38 am
- 10:51 am
- 01:09 pm

Whereas on Nov. 05 I was personally out of my home in attendance of a prior obligation until 09:00 pm and would have been unable to behave similarly with my own advertisement thread. I am certain many other advertisers were unable to post four times that day, as well.

Even if you cannot see the advantage yourself, the fact that you were, in fact, able to bump multiple times per day is the advantage you received.

You can have somebody else bump for you.

I am fully aware of how the advertisement board is set up seeing as I revamped it and provided the basis of what you see today. :P

It is absolutely irrelevant to this conversation that another individual can bump for you because the point that not everyone can be online as frequently as others is still valid. Even if someone else was added to my thread to bump for me, what of it? My co-bumper has a full-time job and other responsibilities and cannot be online hourly to compete with those who can. The same is true for many other advertisers. Considering the rules also state that advertisers MUST be the forum admin or an appointed staff member, it's not like you can just magically find someone with a lot of time on their hands for the sole purpose of bumping your thread.

When I was the advert mod, I literally got four hours of sleep per night because if I slept any more than that, I could not catch up with the number of threads that were bumped hourly to make sure they were all following the rules. An individual who could only bump once a day would find themselves on at least page 6 but more frequently beyond.

So not only are things easier for moderators & members by giving a consistent bumping ruleset & reducing the frequency with which threads have to be moderated, but this levels the playing field for all and gives people with less time to devote to advertisement a fair shake at getting their ads seen. The fact that you do not see what an advantage being able to bump your thread multiple times per day gives you is, quite honestly, baffling. You are literally capable of taking advantage of the hourly bumping rule when others cannot and do not see how that gives you an advantage? Has it not occurred to you that you favour the 'old way' because you could use it to success?

[STLUEE]

As long as the advertising on a board is on the 1st or 2nd page I don't see it necessary to bump it more than every 24 hours.

[Skidjit]

Here I go, getting ready to duck some flying tomatoes.

I don't understand why there is an advertising board in the first place. I mean, aren't we all pretty much admins for our own sites? Are those advertising our sites only showing other admins a way they decorated/or the style we created our own forums? Or is the advertising for the content or subject of our own sites? If so, then wouldn't paying for a search engine like google or bing or whatever they are called be the best way to reach more non proboard admins to come and use/view your site? I've always been a bit confused about why an advertising board was here.

I mean, if I am advertising for my fan site, so other fans would know my community exists, I simply put a link in my signature then forget about it. The more I post and get to know all of the members here or ask tech or support questions etc. I can relax and advertise all at the same time. No need for a board like this. I think I've peeked in there once and all I found were 50 million bumps then never went back. There was nothing really of content in most of those bump threads.

Now I'll open my umbrella and close my eyes tight, in preparation for anything tossed my direction.

[Kami]

The advert board doesn't allow for content in the bumps which is why they are empty. All info is in the opening post.

The advert board helps increase SEO ranking for free because support is regularly indexed and having a forum with keywords advertised here will increase the likelihood of the thread being crawled which generates traffic to your site and adds to its ranking because a link is provided. Bumping brings the page back into revelance and allows for more bots to crawl the ad for keywords and links again.

It is in essence the same concept as linking your forum in your signature.

Plus it serves as a sort of easy pin board for forums. If I were looking for a new RP board for instance, I'd first look in the advert board here to see if any caught my eye.

I hope that helps (:

[The Maniac On Wheels (The MOW)]

I'll just tend to forget with the new 24 hour rule.

[Kami]

Nov 12, 2016 7:57:42 GMT -8 The Maniac On Wheels (The MOW) said:

I'll just tend to forget with the new 24 hour rule.

Then that is not a shortcoming of the rule itself, I must say, and still illustrates that the former method was advantageous for you. I don't see how you'd forget to do something once but not a lot, but your mileage may vary. Have you bookmarked the thread? I do this to see when I last posted and to have an easy access link to it.

[The Maniac On Wheels (The MOW)]

Nov 12, 2016 8:00:32 GMT -8 Kami said:

Nov 12, 2016 7:57:42 GMT -8 The Maniac On Wheels (The MOW) said:

I'll just tend to forget with the new 24 hour rule.

Then that is not a shortcoming of the rule itself, I must say. I don't see how you'd forget to do something once but not a lot, but your mileage may vary. Have you bookmarked the thread? I do this to see when I last posted and to have an easy access link to it.

I know my memory. It was easier to remember when I did it on a more frequent basis.

I never bookmark threads. I would bookmark the homepage of a website, which I don't need to do since my browser remembers the address.

[Kami]

Nov 12, 2016 8:02:49 GMT -8 The Maniac On Wheels (The MOW) said:

Nov 12, 2016 8:00:32 GMT -8 Kami said:

Then that is not a shortcoming of the rule itself, I must say. I don't see how you'd forget to do something once but not a lot, but your mileage may vary. Have you bookmarked the thread? I do this to see when I last posted and to have an easy access link to it.

I know my memory. It was easier to remember when I did it on a more frequent basis.

I never bookmark threads. I would bookmark the homepage of a website, which I don't need to do since my browser remembers the address.

Like I said your mileage may vary.

I didn't mean to bookmark it as a webpage but rather use the bookmarks feature on ProBoards so you can have it listed when you visit here (:

[Scott]

The Maniac On Wheels (The MOW) - no more posts in this thread please. You offered your opinion, it was responded to and explained by pawl and subsequently in depth by Kami , as we have gone on two more pages. This thread is not your pacifier to post here every hour because you can't on the Advertising board anymore.

While it is a change, the bumping rules are now fair for everyone. This has been pointed out frontwards, backwards, and upside down. I'm sorry for my bluntness, but I'm a bit irked that people's time is being wasted when you've offered nothing substantial to the conversation and we're having to explain the same thing over and over.

[The Maniac On Wheels (The MOW)]

Nov 12, 2016 8:04:18 GMT -8 Kami said:

Nov 12, 2016 8:02:49 GMT -8 The Maniac On Wheels (The MOW) said:

I know my memory. It was easier to remember when I did it on a more frequent basis.

I never bookmark threads. I would bookmark the homepage of a website, which I don't need to do since my browser remembers the address.

Like I said your mileage may vary.

I didn't mean to bookmark it as a webpage but rather use the bookmarks feature on ProBoards so you can have it listed when you visit here (:

It's listed on my Participated pop up.

[Kami]

Nov 12, 2016 9:20:33 GMT -8 The Maniac On Wheels (The MOW) said:

Nov 12, 2016 8:04:18 GMT -8 Kami said:

Like I said your mileage may vary.

I didn't mean to bookmark it as a webpage but rather use the bookmarks feature on ProBoards so you can have it listed when you visit here (:

It's listed on my Participated pop up.

Which only lists the last 20 threads you've participated in. If you struggle to remember, bookmarking it will be beneficial (:

[The Maniac On Wheels (The MOW)]

Nov 12, 2016 9:22:28 GMT -8 Kami said:

Nov 12, 2016 9:20:33 GMT -8 The Maniac On Wheels (The MOW) said:

It's listed on my Participated pop up.

Which only lists the last 20 threads you've participated in. If you struggle to remember, bookmarking it will be beneficial (:

I frequently post in the ad threads I began, so they stay there. I also rarely post in other stuff.

I can't remember the last time I had 20 posts in there.

[Kami]

Nov 12, 2016 10:43:08 GMT -8 The Maniac On Wheels (The MOW) said:

Nov 12, 2016 9:22:28 GMT -8 Kami said:

Which only lists the last 20 threads you've participated in. If you struggle to remember, bookmarking it will be beneficial (:

I frequently post in the ad threads I began, so they stay there. I also rarely post in other stuff.

I can't remember the last time I had 20 posts in there.

I think this is getting off topic. Your complaint was that you have trouble remembering about your thread without the 1 hour bumping allowance so I provided a method with which to track your thread. You have presented several arguments against why that is not a viable option for you, all circling to the fact that you have safeguards in place to prevent you from forgetting (ie: not posting a lot outside of your ad threads, keeping it in your participated list), so I find this conversation to be, at best, argumentative and pointless. It's apparent you are disinterested in working with the rule, as repeated explanations & suggestions have only been met with a denial of effectiveness and reasons why they don't apply to you.

Since it has been requested by Scott that you cease posting in this thread, this will be my last addressal of your posts. I hope you find a solution for your situation that fits whatever requirements you have that will also be in consideration of the new rules.

[wildmaven]

Nov 12, 2016 5:35:21 GMT -8 Skidjit said:

Here I go, getting ready to duck some flying tomatoes.

I don't understand why there is an advertising board in the first place. I mean, aren't we all pretty much admins for our own sites? Are those advertising our sites only showing other admins a way they decorated/or the style we created our own forums? Or is the advertising for the content or subject of our own sites? If so, then wouldn't paying for a search engine like google or bing or whatever they are called be the best way to reach more non proboard admins to come and use/view your site? I've always been a bit confused about why an advertising board was here.

I mean, if I am advertising for my fan site, so other fans would know my community exists, I simply put a link in my signature then forget about it. The more I post and get to know all of the members here or ask tech or support questions etc. I can relax and advertise all at the same time. No need for a board like this. I think I've peeked in there once and all I found were 50 million bumps then never went back. There was nothing really of content in most of those bump threads.

Now I'll open my umbrella and close my eyes tight, in preparation for anything tossed my direction.

Take a look at this poll I ran a couple of years ago, where it asks just what you are wondering: support.proboards.com/thread/479878/answer-simple-poll 

[Søren]

I like this new rule. Seems fairer to other time zone to. Majority of my forum members come from seeing add in advertise your rp forum board but since I'm not in America i found have to try and remember to bump very late before bed for it to be seen and by morning my time it often pages back bumped by others advertising hourly. This way feels more chance to seen at perk hours for longer.