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Post by Lynx on Apr 2, 2016 16:04:55 GMT -8
This way, we don't have to have this debate, and the remedy suits 'everybody'. There is a fallacy in this statement. Regardless of type of business or anything else in this world, you will never find a remedy that suits everybody. A grand majority is definitely possible, but there will always be some who are not in agreement on any resolution save their own idea. This is simply human nature and what makes us all unique.
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Post by Barkley on Apr 2, 2016 17:00:27 GMT -8
This way, we don't have to have this debate, and the remedy suits 'everybody'. There is a fallacy in this statement. Regardless of type of business or anything else in this world, you will never find a remedy that suits everybody. A grand majority is definitely possible, but there will always be some who are not in agreement on any resolution save their own idea. This is simply human nature and what makes us all unique. You don't have to suit everybody. I agree or I disagree is fine. Install any software for example and you can't install it unless you tick "I agree" so unless somebody "Agrees" to our forums terms and conditions they are not permitted use of the website. If those forum conditions were to say "Content posted or shared on this forum will become property of the forum" or words to that effect then the user has the option to continue registration or not. It shouldn't be for PB to make moral decisions. Legally, I don't think the poster has any legal right to content they've shared, and certainly I can't find a single case where it's been brought before a court of law. What about instances where the poster has been quoted?Who's content does the quote become, or the multiquote? What about when another website quote you, or somebody shares your words on social media? It's ludicrous to suggest somebody can demand to have all their posts removed. I can understand them asking admin to consider removing a post, but 'all'? I asked an admin to remove comments on 'this' forum once on the grounds that it made sense, and was flatly refused, until another admin intervined. There has to be common sense applied.
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Post by Matt on Apr 2, 2016 20:59:03 GMT -8
If you quote somebody's post and they ask for their posts to be deleted than the quote will still remain, you can use that method to save important information
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Post by Lady Dyanna on Apr 2, 2016 22:48:38 GMT -8
Great thread! This is actually an issue that my forum has been all too familiar with lately. One of our former members was banned after receiving fair warning regarding certain behaviors that needed to be corrected, but not complying. As this person was angry with being banned, they turned to Proboards Support to have all of their posts deleted. Over 1000 posts were deleted due to this request, leaving multiple gaps. The worst part was, that as we allow members to start their own threads, when the posts were deleted, every thread started by this person was deleted as well. This included the deletion of the posts of multiple other members who had also participated in these threads. Many of our members were quite unhappy to lose work. I lost a substantial number of posts myself. When I checked into it, I was told that there was no way available for any of us to recover our deleted material. It just doesn't seem right that something like this should happen. What about the rights of the members that did not want their posts deleted? On certain forums it might not be very harmful to lose posts, but to others it can be devastating. To me, it seems that there should be a way for forum staff to prevent damage due to mass deletions, because unfortunately there are people out there that will do things like this if for no other reason than to sabotage a site.
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Post by Kami on Apr 3, 2016 6:43:02 GMT -8
im with the removal of certain information. Name, personally identifiable stuff like social media handles, and the ilk.
My perspective however is one that runs a role play, which in essence is interactive storytelling. I had helped run a forum for about eight years before it closed and had hundreds of members at one time or another. All of our in character posts were closely intertwined and the loss of even one member's presence, even if their posts remained, was keenly felt.
If a member decided to delete all of their posts upon leaving, our stories would literally become nonsense. Any new members arriving will read the past plots and wonder what on earth is going on, and not only do we lose cohesiveness but we lose references if at any point that member made a drastic change to the story.
I fully understand and sympathise that people have every right to their posts, but it would be nice to be able -- again from an RP point of view, which I know is not everyone -- to be able to have some protection from perhaps years of cooperative storytelling bite the dust.
Anecdotal: one time a member rage quit the forum because they were upset that their plot line (a poorly disguised attempt to add legend of Zelda stories to an unrelated franchise) was disregarded. Before we banned them for being disruptive and purposefully breaking the TOS to get the site deleted in petty revenge, they deleted about six weeks worth of story from the actual story lines. That story line never recovered, and remains in our archives as a one person story that makes no sense, and our plans to incorporate it in a future event had to be scrapped.
This may be the perils of being an RP admin but it's so frustrating and worrisome.
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Post by Matt on Apr 3, 2016 7:12:50 GMT -8
Great thread! This is actually an issue that my forum has been all too familiar with lately. One of our former members was banned after receiving fair warning regarding certain behaviors that needed to be corrected, but not complying. As this person was angry with being banned, they turned to Proboards Support to have all of their posts deleted. Over 1000 posts were deleted due to this request, leaving multiple gaps. The worst part was, that as we allow members to start their own threads, when the posts were deleted, every thread started by this person was deleted as well. This included the deletion of the posts of multiple other members who had also participated in these threads. Many of our members were quite unhappy to lose work. I lost a substantial number of posts myself. When I checked into it, I was told that there was no way available for any of us to recover our deleted material. It just doesn't seem right that something like this should happen. What about the rights of the members that did not want their posts deleted? On certain forums it might not be very harmful to lose posts, but to others it can be devastating. To me, it seems that there should be a way for forum staff to prevent damage due to mass deletions, because unfortunately there are people out there that will do things like this if for no other reason than to sabotage a site. I'm pretty sure that even if that user started a thread everyone elses posts would remain in those threads still even after the user had their posts deleted
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Post by Lady Dyanna on Apr 3, 2016 7:45:07 GMT -8
Great thread! This is actually an issue that my forum has been all too familiar with lately. One of our former members was banned after receiving fair warning regarding certain behaviors that needed to be corrected, but not complying. As this person was angry with being banned, they turned to Proboards Support to have all of their posts deleted. Over 1000 posts were deleted due to this request, leaving multiple gaps. The worst part was, that as we allow members to start their own threads, when the posts were deleted, every thread started by this person was deleted as well. This included the deletion of the posts of multiple other members who had also participated in these threads. Many of our members were quite unhappy to lose work. I lost a substantial number of posts myself. When I checked into it, I was told that there was no way available for any of us to recover our deleted material. It just doesn't seem right that something like this should happen. What about the rights of the members that did not want their posts deleted? On certain forums it might not be very harmful to lose posts, but to others it can be devastating. To me, it seems that there should be a way for forum staff to prevent damage due to mass deletions, because unfortunately there are people out there that will do things like this if for no other reason than to sabotage a site. I'm pretty sure that even if that user started a thread everyone elses posts would remain in those threads still even after the user had their posts deleted You would think that would be the case, but I can assure you, that at the very least, in this instance, it was not. Every thread this person had created, including the posts of others, were completely deleted. No trace remains. As quite a bit of time, research and effort can go into some of the posts on our forum, this was particularly upsetting to some of our members. In addition, this former member had created threads that were being used as references tools, to which other members had compiled added materials. All of that work is gone.
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Post by Kami on Apr 3, 2016 8:00:42 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure that even if that user started a thread everyone elses posts would remain in those threads still even after the user had their posts deleted You would think that would be the case, but I can assure you, that at the very least, in this instance, it was not. Every thread this person had created, including the posts of others, were completely deleted. No trace remains. As quite a bit of time, research and effort can go into some of the posts on our forum, this was particularly upsetting to some of our members. In addition, this former member had created threads that were being used as references tools, to which other members had compiled added materials. All of that work is gone. I would venture to say that this might have been a bug or hiccup, or possibly an older version of ProBoards; since v5 at the very least, the deletion of the opening post does not natively (as in, it's not programmed to do so) delete the contents of the thread.
The exception might be, however, if the OP was a staff member who actively deleted the threads in question.
EDIT: I want to clarify that I know this isn't consoling, and I know that the loss of those posts had to be devastating (I would be devastated if I were in your shoes); I was just trying to say that since this isn't an intended result of the OP being deleted on a ProBoards forums, it may not be something that would be addressed by preventing some posts from being deleted. If that makes sense.
I apologise if I seemed to be dismissive of your concern, it wasn't my intent.
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Post by Matt on Apr 3, 2016 8:27:55 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure that even if that user started a thread everyone elses posts would remain in those threads still even after the user had their posts deleted You would think that would be the case, but I can assure you, that at the very least, in this instance, it was not. Every thread this person had created, including the posts of others, were completely deleted. No trace remains. As quite a bit of time, research and effort can go into some of the posts on our forum, this was particularly upsetting to some of our members. In addition, this former member had created threads that were being used as references tools, to which other members had compiled added materials. All of that work is gone. That doesn't seem right, other people's posts in those thread should have remained. Can a Proboards staff member clarify this please?
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Post by Brian on Apr 3, 2016 8:54:27 GMT -8
Any deletions performed by us using the Forum Cleanup tool are done with the Threads Started checkbox unchecked so that the threads themselves remain and posts made by other users are left intact. Only posts authored by the user requesting the deletion should be deleted.
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Post by Lady Dyanna on Apr 3, 2016 9:28:38 GMT -8
You would think that would be the case, but I can assure you, that at the very least, in this instance, it was not. Every thread this person had created, including the posts of others, were completely deleted. No trace remains. As quite a bit of time, research and effort can go into some of the posts on our forum, this was particularly upsetting to some of our members. In addition, this former member had created threads that were being used as references tools, to which other members had compiled added materials. All of that work is gone. I would venture to say that this might have been a bug or hiccup, or possibly an older version of ProBoards; since v5 at the very least, the deletion of the opening post does not natively (as in, it's not programmed to do so) delete the contents of the thread.
The exception might be, however, if the OP was a staff member who actively deleted the threads in question.
EDIT: I want to clarify that I know this isn't consoling, and I know that the loss of those posts had to be devastating (I would be devastated if I were in your shoes); I was just trying to say that since this isn't an intended result of the OP being deleted on a ProBoards forums, it may not be something that would be addressed by preventing some posts from being deleted. If that makes sense.
I apologise if I seemed to be dismissive of your concern, it wasn't my intent.
No need to apologize. You were trying to convey information. Unfortunately, if anything, I'm a bit more confused now. The deletions that I was referring to occurred within the past few weeks by Proboards Support and I can guarantee you that entire threads were deleted. Now, I'm not familiar with the exact process that support would use to perform a deletion, but to me, it stands to reason, that if this happened once, even if it was a glitch or an accident, it is entirely possible that it could happen again. I think that this would need to be taken into account for any decisions made going forward.
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Post by Kami on Apr 3, 2016 9:31:05 GMT -8
I would venture to say that this might have been a bug or hiccup, or possibly an older version of ProBoards; since v5 at the very least, the deletion of the opening post does not natively (as in, it's not programmed to do so) delete the contents of the thread.
The exception might be, however, if the OP was a staff member who actively deleted the threads in question.
EDIT: I want to clarify that I know this isn't consoling, and I know that the loss of those posts had to be devastating (I would be devastated if I were in your shoes); I was just trying to say that since this isn't an intended result of the OP being deleted on a ProBoards forums, it may not be something that would be addressed by preventing some posts from being deleted. If that makes sense.
I apologise if I seemed to be dismissive of your concern, it wasn't my intent.
No need to apologize. You were trying to convey information. Unfortunately, if anything, I'm a bit more confused now. The deletions that I was referring to occurred within the past few weeks by Proboards Support and I can guarantee you that entire threads were deleted. Now, I'm not familiar with the exact process that support would use to perform a deletion, but to me, it stands to reason, that if this happened once, even if it was a glitch or an accident, it is entirely possible that it could happen again. I think that this would need to be taken into account for any decisions made going forward. According to Brian's post above yours, any deletions they make are using the forum's cleanup tool, which basically gives the option to select a member and delete all posts by them; perhaps you can speak with the admins further to attempt to figure out what happened to those threads?
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Post by Lady Dyanna on Apr 3, 2016 9:38:26 GMT -8
Any deletions performed by us using the Forum Cleanup tool are done with the Threads Started checkbox unchecked so that the threads themselves remain and posts made by other users are left intact. Only posts authored by the user requesting the deletion should be deleted. Then I'm even more confused now how something like this (entire threads being deleted, including other members posts) could have and did, in fact, occur. Can the user themselves request deletion of all of the threads that they started? Is this a request that would be granted? If not, why did this happen to our site? And if it was a system glitch or user error, why were we not offered any type of backup to restore the posts that should not have been deleted?
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Post by Lady Dyanna on Apr 3, 2016 9:53:18 GMT -8
No need to apologize. You were trying to convey information. Unfortunately, if anything, I'm a bit more confused now. The deletions that I was referring to occurred within the past few weeks by Proboards Support and I can guarantee you that entire threads were deleted. Now, I'm not familiar with the exact process that support would use to perform a deletion, but to me, it stands to reason, that if this happened once, even if it was a glitch or an accident, it is entirely possible that it could happen again. I think that this would need to be taken into account for any decisions made going forward. According to Brian's post above yours, any deletions they make are using the forum's cleanup tool, which basically gives the option to select a member and delete all posts by them; perhaps you can speak with the admins further to attempt to figure out what happened to those threads?
Thanks for your suggestion, but that has already been done. I sent a message to the admin that responded to the deletion request shortly after the threads disappeared. I received an apology for the inconvenience, but was told that there was nothing that could be done to help at the time.
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Post by Kami on Apr 3, 2016 9:57:59 GMT -8
According to Brian's post above yours, any deletions they make are using the forum's cleanup tool, which basically gives the option to select a member and delete all posts by them; perhaps you can speak with the admins further to attempt to figure out what happened to those threads?
Thanks for your suggestion, but that has already been done. I sent a message to the admin that responded to the deletion request shortly after the threads disappeared. I received an apology for the inconvenience, but was told that there was nothing that could be done to help at the time. Gosh I am so sorry :/ I can only imagine what it must be like to lose all that info. You have my heartfelt sympathies. @ staff, there was a point in time when rollbacks were considered for a paid option, is this still something that's in the works? it seems what happened to Lady Dyanna might be a good scenario where such an option would be useful.
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