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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Apr 3, 2016 16:45:53 GMT -8
Kami , a fair use clause sounds like a more feasible option for admins who might need to make use of such on their forums. Most likely, it would be more palatable to members.
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Post by Lynx on Apr 3, 2016 16:47:42 GMT -8
My apologies, Barkley. Not sure if it's my screwed up sleep schedule ... or I just haven't had enough coffee yet. I did indeed miss your disclaimer. My bad and my apologies.
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Post by Kami on Apr 3, 2016 16:48:30 GMT -8
Kami , a fair use clause sounds like a more feasible option for admins who might need to make use of such on their forums. Most likely, it would be more palatable to members. Yeah, I mean, I think there is a way to figure some sort of compromise out so that people can retain their property but admins also don't have the rug pulled from under them. Hopefully the admins can put something together.
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Post by blitzen on Apr 3, 2016 16:48:54 GMT -8
But I do think if intellectual property rights were left to an admin, what would happen with photography forums, or creative writing forums, or art based forums? Would anyone join if they didn't have the right to remove their artistic creations?
And again, nobody would join forums.net would they if we were to follow you're line of thinking. Forums.net hands content over to admin. The thing that is being asked here. Exact same thing. Yet for some reason you think it'll be bad for proboards free forums yet seem to have no issue once someone pays for it. Either people will not join a forum that hands content ownership to admin or they will. Regardless of whether the admin paid for their forum or not. Furthermore, do you honestly think most people read the TOS when joining a forum (including forums.net)? A lot of it is the same no matter what forum provider you're joining. It's rare for forum members to even read rule threads as again - same for most cases.
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Post by Barkley on Apr 3, 2016 16:49:45 GMT -8
BTW - Who said support can't be a fun thing to debate. Show me the last support thread that hit 7 pages.
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Post by blitzen on Apr 3, 2016 16:52:37 GMT -8
BTW - Who said support can't be a fun thing to debate. Show me the last support thread that hit 7 pages. You're lucky. Most criticisms of pro boards (even legit ones) are met with some rather unkind responses.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Apr 3, 2016 16:56:07 GMT -8
And again, nobody would join forums.net would they if we were to follow you're line of thinking. Forums.net hands content over to admin. The thing that is being asked here. Exact same thing. Yet for some reason you think it'll be bad for proboards free forums yet seem to have no issue once someone pays for it. Either people will not join a forum that hands content ownership to admin or they will. Regardless of whether the admin paid for their forum or not. Furthermore, do you honestly think most people read the TOS when joining a forum (including forums.net)? A lot of it is the same no matter what forum provider you're joining. It's rare for forum members to even read rule threads as again - same for most cases. Not so. As I posted upthread. Forums.net does allow deletions. ProBoards' admins just won't do it for you.
And as I posted, many members complain when a forum must approve their membership. Can you imagine what they would say about this?
And again, I have NO problem with ProBoards offering the option to admins. At that point, and only then, will we know if members are willing to bite that apple. Right now, this is nothing but points of view.
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Post by Barkley on Apr 3, 2016 17:02:16 GMT -8
BTW - Who said support can't be a fun thing to debate. Show me the last support thread that hit 7 pages. You're lucky. Most criticisms of pro boards (even legit ones) are met with some rather unkind responses. I'm honestly spoken, and to be fair, I find PB Staff very tolerant of my nature. The good thing about PB is I feel I can approach them with a challenge and they take it on board and don't dismiss it outright. What "they" think though you better ask them.
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Post by Matt on Apr 3, 2016 17:03:52 GMT -8
We don't want to *own* anyone's posts, we just want to make sure that the foundation we built doesn't crumble beneath our feet.
I agree with this, I don't want to " Own " anyone else's posts, I just wish there was a way to prevent the entire forum from crumbling if a user with lots of posts deleted, I think the admin should receive at least some notification.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Apr 3, 2016 17:12:56 GMT -8
Most forums don't crash if lots of posts are removed ~ particularly general chat forums. It's only a numbers count.
As I posted, we removed approximately 100,000 posts ourselves.
And we've had members leave who have taken thousands and thousands of posts with them.
If a forum has a strong community base, it does move forward.
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Post by Barkley on Apr 3, 2016 17:18:01 GMT -8
We don't want to *own* anyone's posts, we just want to make sure that the foundation we built doesn't crumble beneath our feet.
I agree with this, I don't want to " Own " anyone else's posts, I just wish there was a way to prevent the entire forum from crumbling if a user with lots of posts deleted, I think the admin should receive at least some notification. The forum should be entitled to keep it's content providing that content is breaking terms and conditions of Proboards. Admins are expected to be responsible and sensible. To me responsibility and sensibility 'also' start with the moment a user starts typing, and if you have a conversation with somebody, and want to edit, or request removal, I have no problem with that, as the admin can deal with it 'at the time' and it has no impact, but asking to delete entire posting histories is wrong and immoral. We should also be able to back our content up. If a hacker catches us out, or a fellow admin goes bad, our forum can be gone very quickly, and not to allow admins to back that content up is leaving us wide open. I've lost 2 forums in the past to hackers. You log on one day and there is a silly picture telling you the site has been hacked.
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Post by T.C. on Apr 3, 2016 17:21:39 GMT -8
Unless you got in while the getting was good and transferred to FDN for 9.99 a month and can remain there at 9.99 a month as i did. Even 9.99 is a lot for a small forum. Especially as they had (and probably still do) the 6 month thing where you're forced to fork out nearly $60 (plus whatever else they feel the need to charge you for; ad-free pv). You couldn't try before you buy and a lot of people didn't realise they had signed up for 6 months. But now, not a chance in hell that many can afford the extortionate prices. Funny how something that used to be under ten dollars a month is now quadruple that and then some. I also find it telling that the forum.net support forum is hidden from the rest of the us cheapskates. It's not good form to hide what could be potential issues that may dissuade others from signing up. I certainly would be interested in reading the support in there. 9.99 a month is well wort it for my forum and it's members. I have refunded many members donations due to the donations far exceeding the cost to maintain the forum. Just knowing that i get one on one support when needed and having the ability to export the forum data, as well as being away from the content restrictions of pg13 (We're all 40 and older) 9.99 is and has been well worth it.
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Post by Barkley on Apr 3, 2016 17:24:29 GMT -8
Most forums don't crash if lots of posts are removed ~ particularly general chat forums. It's only a numbers count.
As I posted, we removed approximately 100,000 posts ourselves.
And we've had members leave who have taken thousands and thousands of posts with them.
If a forum has a strong community base, it does move forward. Define most forums.
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Post by ♥ ℒʊ√ ♥ on Apr 3, 2016 17:38:00 GMT -8
Forums with general chit chat, Barkley . Ones with lots of games with one word answers or lots of one sentence posts like "How are you today". Things of that nature where continuity isn't really necessary. And I don't demean these forums since we're General Chat.
That's not the case with forums like RPGs where story lines and characters interact and become the foundation of the forum.
It's certainly not a one size fits all type of thing. But with so many forums lamenting their lack of activity with just a handful of active members, it just seems counterproductive to set up conditions that might not benefit perspective members.
But again, if that's what some choose to do, if it becomes an option, that would be their right as admin to do so.
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Post by Barkley on Apr 3, 2016 17:46:13 GMT -8
Even 9.99 is a lot for a small forum. Especially as they had (and probably still do) the 6 month thing where you're forced to fork out nearly $60 (plus whatever else they feel the need to charge you for; ad-free pv). You couldn't try before you buy and a lot of people didn't realise they had signed up for 6 months. But now, not a chance in hell that many can afford the extortionate prices. Funny how something that used to be under ten dollars a month is now quadruple that and then some. I also find it telling that the forum.net support forum is hidden from the rest of the us cheapskates. It's not good form to hide what could be potential issues that may dissuade others from signing up. I certainly would be interested in reading the support in there. 9.99 a month is well wort it for my forum and it's members. I have refunded many members donations due to the donations far exceeding the cost to maintain the forum. Just knowing that i get one on one support when needed and having the ability to export the forum data, as well as being away from the content restrictions of pg13 (We're all 40 and older) 9.99 is and has been well worth it. If Forums.net was 9.99 per month, and they allowed migration to it more would use it. As it is, it starts at $49.99 per month for 100,000 page views, plus $0.08 per 100 extra, and our website apparently broke 200,000 views last week, so in my book, that would have cost me an extra $80 on top of the $50 already charged. Then if you want support you have to take a ticket. So you don't get to use this admin forum? So my forum, that gets lots of page views from bots, but very little by way of forum posts, would have cost me $130 per month or $1560 per year (for a basic package). Compare that to Wordpress Business package with no adverts for $299 per year and you see how expensive forums.net is. You can understand why I have little time for people who jump on your case with "Go to forums.net" every time you have a query. This thread is about Proboards though, not forums.net so our fight is to protect our Proboards forums, NOT rip them up and start again elsewhere.
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